posted April 25, 2009 09:16 PM         

Don't want to restart a heated thread (though since it's been like 5 days I think I've simmered down a little lol) but to answer Raymond's question about Chiron square Venus:

In my Chiron book, the author had an interesting take on it saying that those with this aspect may have had many many past lives of the opposite sex and are having to cope with being the other in this one. Chiron is also highly aspected in my chart in general and makes aspects to my ASC, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn, and Uranus.

I should also say that since I have Libra Moon, I guess inequality just really grinds my gears in general.

posted April 26, 2009 08:38 AM         

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23 also mentioned that we both have a lot of masculine energy in our charts so it's hard for us to really accept when society tries to "feminize" us.

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posted April 26, 2009 12:01 PM         

I also see that she's a New Age teacher too.

I like Melanie Reinhart's Chiron book. It's more psychological,practical,and down to earth.

Raymond

posted April 26, 2009 01:20 PM         

I am afraid historians would have to disagree with you on Cleopatra.

She wasn't just batting her eyes when she "seduced" her men. She actively went after them.

To seduce Cesar: She smuggled herself into his presence in a rolled up carpet which was unrolled dramatically. Then she proceeded to charm the toga off him and they became lovers that first night.

To seduce Marc Anthony who had been sent by Rome to straighten her out: she sailed up to meet him dressed in sexy dresses and surrounded by singing and dancing nymphettes, and for a couple of weeks, she wined, dined and entertained him AT HER EXPENSES with extravagant and dazzling spectacles. He too fell under her spell.

posted April 26, 2009 04:17 PM         

Back in those days I'm so nostalgic about when men were attracted to me, I was very "feminine"--I chased a man until he caught me. I would do it mostly by vibing him, body movements, voice. I think this was my 8th house and Moon-Pluto influence. I didn't ask guys out or ever tell them I liked them. Lots of guys were drawn to and excited by this--I heard a lot that I was mysterious.

I have a friend who, in contrast, is very attractive to men and she has ALWAYS marched up and asked the guy out very aggressively right away, including making the first physical move, and having sex whenever she felt like it (usually right after she met a guy she was hot for.) Lots of guys were very drawn to and excited by this, and thrilled by her aggressive approach.

posted April 27, 2009 06:02 AM         

Not so successful and not so great looking men do use this subtle surpassor trick to seduce women way out of their league. A seductive woman will become very insecure if she is deliberately ignored.
"He must be someone too great to ignore me" runs in the subconsious.
In fact a multi-million dollar business exists that teaches such covert manipulation to seduce unwitting womem. It is called "Double your Dating" or something.

Deep down, very deep down in the genetic recesses of every woman, there is a throbbing desire for the Alpha Male.

The next level to the Alpha Male is the one who will chase and get the woman he desires, without manipulation. Call him Beta Male.
He may like to be chased too, will definitely be chased by many women and will definitely settle for second best after sometime should his first choice not fall for him.

Number three level would manipulate and chase. Vast majority of men cutting across Astrological signs would be here. Many here would make great husbands once they get their woman, but many would not be comfortable being chased. The mindset is "If she is chasing me, there must be some weakness/drawbacks in her, even if she looks hot.". A lot of this category would have fun with the chasers and ultimately marry the shy girl.

D and E Graders will choose weaker women who they can push around and verbally abuse at will. Pity the women who chase them and then suffer later on. Astrology will help in this case. Afflicted horoscopes can make women fall for D-Graders. Pisces Moon women are primary victims who fall for E-Grade loser men.

F Graders are probably the psychopaths and wife beaters. Only karmic debts and negative karmic overreactions explain any relationship in this grade.

"Law of Attraction" works very well in relationships. Love yourself very deeply and unconditionally at all levels, you will end up attracting a winner.

posted April 27, 2009 01:49 PM         

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Number three level would manipulate and chase. Vast majority of men cutting across Astrological signs would be here. Many here would make great husbands once they get their woman, but many would not be comfortable being chased. The mindset is "If she is chasing me, there must be some weakness/drawbacks in her, even if she looks hot.". A lot of this category would have fun with the chasers and ultimately marry the shy girl.

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See, I think women (shy or bold) who avoid these third-tier guys and get with a really secure Alpha Male are dodging a bullet.

posted April 27, 2009 02:23 PM         

a timid man would never catch my interest.

i say, let him chase you till you catch him.

and i agree with lara 100 percent on not sleeping with him right away as it pretty much nixes any chance of lasting love. i think we all pretty much want someone who really wants us, not just our body. and screw them if they just have thier eye on the paycheck. although i think financial security is also a consideration. along with grooming habbits, you know the stuff that can drive you nuts after you are in love.
financially responsible
relatively clean
snoring habbits
style of underwear (prefer boxer breifs)
good to his mother (BIGGIE)
flatten toothpaste or roll from bottom, or are separate bathrooms a MUST? (i prefer separate bathrooms)(AND do not touch my towel, thank you)

you know the little stuff that a venus in virgo looks at.

does he mind when you burn the dinner? or does he say, this is GREAT? stuff like that is how you know. when you look like crap and he says, you are so sexy, or beautiful or something that makes you feel like you are dressed to the nines, when he says that when you are in sweats with a dirt smudge on your face, you kNOW.

i wouldn't waste my time ever again on a guy who didn't make me feel like queen of his world. and i gladly make him my manly king. sexist or not. thats how i feel.

but keep your GOOD eye on the other stuff and never loan a guy money. well, i don't mean never, but keep your good eye on them. if he is into you you will know it.

also : thumbs up IQ.