posted May 05, 2009 05:30 AM            

"Yet they have appalling synastry"
I can`t really believe that. But then what others deem appalling synastry is not necessarily what I would call it.

And I still say it doesn`t really matter how you call it, if you call it soulmates or deeply, seriously committed, loving lovers. It`s just a name for the same thing.

posted May 05, 2009 05:33 AM            

There are some who would say this is a big red flag, but apparently not in their case.
Actually Saturn is my Mum`s DSC-ruler and my Dad has Saturn exactly on his ASC- they just NEED that Saturn energy.

posted May 05, 2009 06:17 AM            

They do though have juno conjunct eros and l found juno/eros in every synastry i looked at. Do your parents have juno/eros please?

and of course they have
valentine sq nn (1)
nn opp valentine (0)

posted May 05, 2009 07:03 AM            

my parents haven`t Moon / Moon, Mercury / Mercury, Venus / Venus and Mars / Mars either. They have Sun square Sun, which is not true bliss either.
But those same-planets-aspects are overrated anyway. What they show is a basic compatibility, but that`s all.
Even though I agree, Moon-Moon-aspects can be very nice. And it seems to be important for most people, that the Moon signs kinda fit; in the case of my parents both have an Earth Moon (Taurus and Virgo).

My parents have some interesting aspects though:
Sun-Moon-opposition
Venus - Mars-ASC-conjunction
Mars-ASC-conjunction

But all in all they have rather few aspects; the reasons for them being together for so long starts to get obvious only if you compare their natals with the synastry AND with houserulers.

Those are their aspects:

Sun square Sun
Sun sextile Jupiter
Sun trine Saturn
Sun sextile Eros

Moon opposite Sun
Moon trine Chiron
Moon trine Psyche

Mercury trine Venus
Mercury square Neptune

Venus square Mercury
Venus quinkunx Mars
Venus quinkunx Uranus
Venus sextile Juno

Mars opposite Jupiter
Mars conjunct Saturn
Mars trine Valentine

Jupiter square Mercury
Jupiter quinkunx Mars
Jupiter trine Valentine
Jupiter sextile Juno

Saturn conjunct Venus
Saturn conjunct Mars (4)

Uranus trine Sun
Uranus square Moon
Uranus opposite Chiron
Uranus square Eros

Pluto trine Persephone
Pluto conjunct Proserpina (4)

NN conjunct Jupiter
SN conjunct Saturn
NN sextile Valentine (lol my own parents betray my words. )

Chiron sextile Venus
Chiron trine Persephone

Antivertex conjunct Psyche
Vertex trine Sun

Psyche conjunct NN
Psyche square Valentine

Proserpina conjunct NN

Juno opposite Jupiter

Juno opposite Eros exact LOL (I think I remember in their marriage chart or in the progressions on the day they married there was also a Juno-Eros-conjunction for at least one of them - w hich fits, as I have found that connection pretty often so far)

ASC conjunct Venus
ASC conjunct Mars 84)

MC square Mars
MC quinkunx Mercury
MC conjunct Valentine

IC conjunct Juno exactly

So for them it seems to be PLuto - Proserpina / Persephone as well as Jupiter -Juno.

But just looking at their planetary aspects, it really doesn`t look all that terrific, except for that Sun-Moon-opposition and that Venus-ASC-conjunction maybe.

Their Davison has a Pluto-Persephone-opposition and a Pluto-Proserpina square, with Juno opposing Proserpina and squaring Pluto and Persephone.

posted May 05, 2009 07:05 AM            

maybe fixed angles help too!

I have vertex conjunct DC with gun man in composite and valentine conjunct AC. I presume vertex in 6th but conjunct DC is also classified as being in 7th, sort of?

posted May 05, 2009 07:10 AM            

LOL @juno/eros and nn/valentine

I did a thread a month ago on these two aspects - i'll find it later.

posted May 05, 2009 11:56 AM            

Yeah.....and those are traditional relationship aspects in Astrology too.

Venus,the love,relationship planet conjunct the ascendant is a strong indicator for attraction,love,affection,and relationships
It is in opposition to the Descendant,the 7th house cusp naturally ruled by Venus....so pertains to relationships,partnerships too.

Sun oppose Moon is an aspect that my grandfather and stepgrandmother had with each other, and they were married for 40 years until my grandfather's suicide. My grandfather met my stepgradnmother when he was 19,and she was 13 years old. My grandfather was her first and only love. She hasn't been with any other man since he died. She gave birth to 4 of his 5 children. My mother is the oldest of my grandfather's children,and she was born from a very brief relationship and sham of a marriage when he was in the Marines.

Sun is the masculine energy, and Moon is the feminine energy
opposition is an aspect that has to do with relationships,cooperation,awareness,and the need to find balance
It corresponds with Libra and the 7th house just like conjunction corresponds with Aries and the 1st house.

The double Sun-Saturn whammy aspects are also significant in regards to discipline,structure,obligation,and commitment.

posted May 05, 2009 12:05 PM            

Of course,I believe that soulmates and twin flames don't have to be romantic in any way and even can be relatives and even friends...maybe even a teacher and student.

twin flames might not even incarnate on this earth,but be watching over us in the spiritual world. They could be a spirit guide.

heck..your twin flame could be of the same gender too. I don't believe that it has to be of the opposite gender. Maybe there are some bisexual people that are just actually very in touch with their souls and realize that their soul goes beyond gender and that the soul doesn't discriminate gender when it comes to love. Therefore,they are attracted to both genders as they recognize that they are more than just genders for they are souls that are incarnating as genders just like we are spiritual beings incarnating as human beings.

maybe even that twin flame might even be disabled in some way or ...you meet that twin flame, and he/she ends up being seriously disabled not long after you meet him/her. You have a choice to stay with him/her or not.

I think of Christopher and Dana Reeve. Dana Reeve stayed Christopher after his accident that left him paralyzed from the neck down and was very supportive of him until his death and even after death.

posted May 05, 2009 12:26 PM            

I`ve been scanning some synastries for these aspects in a 3° orb (well, 3° on astro.com is almost 4° actually, and everything outside that orb is just too wide and arbitrary)
Valentine - NN
Valentine - Vertex
Pluto - Proserpina / Persephone
Eros - Psyche
Eros - Juno
Venus - Chiron

1. Angelina - Brad

synastry:
Chiron square Venus
Juno trine Eros
Eros square Psyche

composite:
Valentine sextile NN
Pluto antiscia Proserpina

also Vertex conjunct DSC

Davison:
------------------

2. Antonio BAnderas - Melanie Griffith

Pluto square Persephone
Psyche square Eros

composite:
-------------

DAvison:

NN conjunct DSC

3. Ashton Kutcher - Demi Moore

synastry:
NN sextile Valentine
Eros opposite Juno
Juno square Eros
Pluto trine Proserpina

composite:
Venus square Chiron

Davison:
NN sextile Valentine
Venus trine Chiron
Pluto antiscia Persephone
Eros trine Psyche

4. Edward - Wallis Simpson

Eros quinkunx Juno
Pluto opposite Persephone

composite:
------------

Davison:
Eros trine Juno
Pluto square Persephone

5. Johnny Cash - June Carter

Chiron conjunct Venus

Composite:
Eros widely opposite Psyche (4)
Pluto sextile Persephone

DAvison:
------------

6. JOhnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis
Eros sextile Juno
Juno opposite Eros

Composite:
Eros trine Juno

DAvison:
-----------

7. Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman

Chiron square Venus

composite:
Venus conjunct Chiron

Davison:
Venus opposite Chiron
PLuto sextile Persephone

8. Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward

Valentine sextile NN
Pluto conjunct Proserpina

composite:
------------

Davison:
---------

9. Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn

Eros opposite Psyche

compoiste:
Vertex conjunct Valentine

DAvison:
Venus trine Chiron

No, I definitely am NOT convinced of the Valentine-NN-aspect as a signalpost for Soulmates or even Twinsouls.
It didn`t pop up all that often, and if it did, only as a weak sextile. (only 3 out of 9 had that Valentine-NN).

Valentine - NN: 3/ 9
Venus - Chiron: 5 / 9
Juno - Eros: 4/ 9
Eros - Psyche: 5 / 9
Pluto - Persephone / Proserpina: 7 / 9

posted May 05, 2009 12:30 PM            

I agree with EVERYTHING you said.

posted May 05, 2009 08:04 PM            

ok i have these with gun man, which is what IQ said was just ridiculously gobsmacking aspects:

(not twin flame though)

my valentine quincunx his NN
his valentine sextile my NN

his dr valentine conjunct my dr NN
my dr valentine square his dr NN

my dr venus opposes his n pluto
his dr venus quincunx my n pluto
My sol Pluto square his n venus 

His sol venus square my n Pluto

his Pluto trine my Proserpina
my sol Pluto sextile his n Proserpina
his sol Proserpina sextile my n Pluto

his vertex quincunx my proserpina
my vertex quincunx his proserpina
my vertex trine his venus

composite Eros trine psyche
composite venus/mars conjunct sextile chiron
composite valentine semi square NN

posted May 05, 2009 08:24 PM            

How I go about fining one is as follows....was looking today actually.

Find out from your natal chart when they were born.

Which means your 11th ruler in transit (at the the time of potential twin soul birth) must be conjunct your natal 7th ruler. With your 7th ruler in transit (at the time of your potential twin soul birth) conjunct to your 11th ruler.

Why this way?

From your natal and transits for when your potential partner is born, you can check to see in your chart WHEN your partner is born.

I am Aqua rising. Jupiter rules my 11th. Sun rules my 7th.
My 11th is partners 5th. My 7th is partners 1st.
To find a birth of any kind, you look to 5th ruler in aspect to 1st ruler an also 1st in aspect to 5th ruler.
Good aspects are fine, but the conjunction is better. Best one!

If you want to test this idea out, look at when a person important to you was born and it should show up.

You will come up with a few options for that. Or at least you should.

Then.....I do a little more. Even though the above should be enough.

Once I have a few charts that satisfy the above conditions, I look at my 1st and 7th rulers in aspect to her 1st and 7th rulers.
The best will be my 1st conjunct her 7th. Other way round too. My 7th conjunct her 1st too, and other way round.

For a bit extra, check the rest of the houses to see if it matches the house ruler for the other person.

posted May 05, 2009 09:08 PM            

How about if my 7th ruler is transiting directly opposing my 11th ruler and my 11th ruler was transiting exact quincunx my 7th ruler on the day they were born?

does that work?

my 1st ruler quincunx his 1st ruler (0)
my 5th ruler quintile his 1st ruler (1)

i'm in no way looking for twin flame aspects here

posted May 06, 2009 02:52 AM            

Placidus:
7th house ruler is Mercury
11th house ruler is Pluto

so I`m looking for a time, when Transit Pluto was conjunct my Mercury, and Transit Mercury was conjunct my natal Pluto, right?

This would have been around 12th september 2007.

Using Whole sign houses:

My 7th house ruler is Mercury
my 11th house ruler is Venus

so, I guess in this case I would have more chances to have twinsouls, as Mercury and Venus are such racing planets.

One of these dates would be 24th december 1961

Interesting theory, even though I still don`t believe that this one necessarily points to ones twinsoul.

posted May 06, 2009 02:58 AM            

I have slightly differing opinions, when it comes to aspects in Draco charts.

I donīt consider the Draco NN, as it is ALWAYS for EVERY person the same, 00 Aries.
So, if you have a planet on your NN like you have your Venus and Moon (do I remember that right?), there will be a conjunction of your Dr Venus and DR Moon to the DR NN of EVERY single living person. well, that is hardly an individual aspect then.

I also don`t really consider any other aspects but conjunction and opposition.
Those are the ones that are like "pointers"; the other may have minor influence, but again, they tend to clutter the picture.

So, having said that, you actually have some gobsmacking aspects in Draco as I would see them:

your dr Venus opposes his n Pluto

posted May 06, 2009 03:10 AM            

Then, you need to look at the other persons natal and make sure the same is true for the other person.

Example...if they are Gemini rising, look to when Jupiter is conjunct Mars and Mars is conjunct Jupiter in thier chart at the time of your birth.

The chances of both being repeated are very slim, which ties in with the idea of one (or very few) soulmate(s)

posted May 06, 2009 03:18 AM            

thanks for your answer.

Well, I donīt really believe twinsouls can seen in a chart.
I do think that ruler aspects are very significant, and the theory about 11th and 7th house ruler is very intriguing to me.
But the 11th and 7th house as well as the 1st and 5th house have very much to do with a personal kind of love, and I think they may point to romantic and personal attraction, with the involvement of the relaationship-Axis 1st - 7th and also including the erotic side and the houses of love given and love received and of course birth (5th - 11th).

The houses are purely fire and air houses, interestingly.

A twinsoul needs something different though, in my undernstanding, and I agree, there are many different concepts out there.
However, I see a strong spiritual aspect to twinsouls.
In my opinion a twinsoul relationship would need to somehow connect to the water houses, too; 4th, 8th or 12th.