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Topic: Soul Mate Synastry Calculator: Updated
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Izo Knowflake Posts: 327 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted May 28, 2009 02:01 PM
Hi, IQ!I'm afraid in my relationship with the Bull possessiveness was not the main issue. Psychological war games were. Even though we scored so high, we were incompatible in my opinion. Of course I didn't see this until we were actually a couple. Given he has planets in ALL my water houses, including a Mars in my 12th (past life enemy, wouldn't surprise me all that much), he aroused in me some very primal emotions which were very hard to contain or deal with. It was all very disturbing for me, especially since he seemed to enjoy the power he had over me. quote: Mars sq Dejanira would have sexual aggro. The male might use sex to assert dominance.
You are right about that, except I didn't let him. I will always be vulnerable in his presence, but I am no martyr. It's a shame really, he probably would have been the shag of a lifetime hehe, but I cannot surrender to a man who would only take advantage of that at a later time. I guess I didn't trust him, and guess what, his Swindler squares my Sun by 2 deg and my Dejanira by 5 deg. I don't really know if we are soulmates and it makes no difference to me now. We're just no good for each other. We probably have bad karma and we're just not mature enough to transforme it into good karma in this lifetime. I think it would be useful to include the bad aspects in the calculator with a "-". I think it takes TWO really evolved people to deal with the bad and make it work, one is never enough, he or she will only be taken advantage of by the less evolved partner. So I think including the bad aspects would give a more realistic view of the relationship, for the normally evolved bloke. And yes, I must admit, that 64 score bothers me. It makes me think I didn't work at it hard enough (because the victim always blames herself). IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7076 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 28, 2009 02:30 PM
Izo,I`m sorry you had to go through all of this. And I definitely agree with you; knowing the score is not enough, it has to be interpreted, the single aspects have to be interpreted. And negative aspects should be included as Minus-factors, too.
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iQ Moderator Posts: 5397 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 04:38 AM
Hi Alia, << IQ is there an asteroid of break up for a couple? >> I am a bit like WIll Smith's Alex character in "Hitch", even if I knew about the breakup Asteroid, I would not tell The psychology of most people is that they would focus on this one negative asteroid with all their energy and apply the Law of Attarction into strenghthening it. Many others would be scared of relationships itself, thinking that this Asteroid would cause a break up! Just focusing on Asteroid UNION or BODA would be so much better....------------------ Soul Mate Love Calculator http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5397 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 04:49 AM
Hi Venus_in_Gemini, You and your man have one of the loveliest synastry charts I have ever seen. I did not do a complete calculation for you as I had not quantified at that time. When I checked now, you both score:5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + more than a dozen ones at just one glance... yet to add 6 more asteroids..... The song that comes in my head when I see 50 plus scores is MJ's "Do you remember the time." I interpret those lyrics to mean past life love. Do You Remember When We Fell In Love We Were Young And Innocent Then Do You Remember How It All Began It Just Seemed Like Heaven So Why Did It End? Do You Remember Back In The Fall We'd Be Together All Day Long Do You Remember Us Holding Hands In Each Other's Eyes We'd Stare ------------------ Soul Mate Love Calculator http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7076 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 05:22 AM
Yes I remember.The thing is, that song is deeply personal to me, as I was hearing it inside my head, upon seeing just the photo of someone. And seein the video for the first time, something resonated very beautifully and yet painfully inside of me. And now YOU reminded me of that. lol IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 527 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 05:37 AM
Aww IQ as always ur so wise yr wife is really lucky to have you-i LLLOVE will smith btw!- so would u say Union is stronger than Boda or theyre equal? does Union appear in many married couples? is there an asteroid for living together in the same house? also,what means when the asteroid w the name of my country is conjunct to his ASC? IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 1212 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 09:12 AM
quote: The psychology of most people is that they would focus on this one negative asteroid with all their energy and apply the Law of Attarction into strenghthening it. Many others would be scared of relationships itself, thinking that this Asteroid would cause a break up! Just focusing on Asteroid UNION or BODA would be so much better....
Kinda true.. sometimes I tend to worry too much about the negative stuffs too. >_< But well, thought my synastry with my bf is not really good, there are a few nice stuffs there, and I'd rather focus on them and also our nice composite. XDRight now, I've just discovered that: - his nUnion conjunct my nGroom (1s); - his nUnion conjunct my AC (0s) - discovered before; - my nUnion conjunct his nBriede (0a); There are also some other cute synastry aspects I've discovered yesterday with the Boda, Groom and Briede asteroids (posted on the Boda Lucina thread).. So I shall be happy with these aspects while in self denial of the negative ones~ XD IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares Knowflake Posts: 958 From: I am where I am and it's enough. Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 11:26 AM
IQ or anyone: (cross-posted in Ask IQ thread)1. Their synastry based on the new calculator is so-so, and I could not help but notice the following aspects and would like to get your opinion on what they mean: - Her Pluto square his Proserpina (3a) - His Pluto square her Proserpina (1s) - His Zeus square her Hera (0a) 2) You said to be careful if there are square aspects to Dejanira. But what does it mean if the aspect is a conjunction? such as: - His Dejanira conjunct her Sun (1a) and Juno (0s) Thanks in advance for replies. IP: Logged |
meta_4 Knowflake Posts: 1141 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 01:16 PM
IQ,I just wanted to tell you that you're brilliant- although i'm sure you're already well aware of that. My admiration for your astrological knowledge grows more and more with every post i read. Thank you for sharing. IP: Logged |
Kismet* Knowflake Posts: 300 From: Venus Registered: Apr 2009
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posted May 29, 2009 04:15 PM
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Seeing Stars 7.21 Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2009 04:30 AM
I got a score of 62 with a girl I thought I fell in love with the first time I saw her.it really makes me think. although I think I cheated on some of those orbs so I would take away a few points. but I also dont know her ascending so there could also be gained a few points, maybe more. IP: Logged |
Seeing Stars 7.21 Knowflake Posts: 194 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2009 04:37 AM
I had a question with some of the later points with Zeus and Hera persephone and such .. do we use the asteroid number? or the hypothetical planet at the bottom of the extended chart selection?IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5397 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 08, 2009 07:48 AM
My apologies if I have not answered questions here, I was expecting them in the Q-A thread. Use the Asteroid Numbers for Hera (103) and Zeus (5731). Different couples will have different very strong Soulmate Pairs. I have just completed a professional reading where a couple has 4 strong Soulmate Pairings. And they have such a strong orb accuracy, rarely falling outisde one degree.My calculator is based on attraction and the probability of a successful relationship. I cannot make one yet for calculating the long lasting nature of a relationship. Cliche is to find more than 3 strong Saturn aspects but BODA, UNION, GROOM, BRIEDE, Pluto and Persephone in a clever mix with Saurn, Venus, North Node and Valentine should do the trick. I dont know for sure. Problem with me is integrating experiential metaphysics into Soulmate Astrology. I once saw a very weird and disturbing movie named "The Skeleton Key". In this movie, two New Orleans Voodoo Magicians are able to jump into other bodies so that they can stay as a married couple for eternity. The other bodies are also a couple or a potential couple but they are jailed in the now aged bodies occupied hitherto by these magicians. There is metaphysical talk about a 7 year cycle where a new Soul from the same soul family occupies the body for the next 7 years, to speed up overall evolution. [I feel the same luckily. I still laugh at the same cartoons I watched at 4, my head has been turning on seeing a blonde haired girl since age 4, same food tastes, same desires etc etc etc... No Soul Swap yet ] What if a Soulmate Soul jumps into another ? What if two soulmate souls jump into two others? Are break-ups and new relationships actually happening with the very same souls only, albeit in different bodies? Is that why astrology works strongly every time astrong attraction has been established in a confirmed relationship? We cannot make perfect calculators.... ------------------ Soul Mate Love Calculator http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
Quinnie Knowflake Posts: 1211 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2009 03:20 PM
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Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 712 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted June 21, 2009 03:55 PM
Wow, I'd never heard of the asteroid Dejanira before now.This guy's Dejanira is exactly conjunct my 7th house Venus (0), and my Dejanira is in his 7th house too, conjunct his DC (1). Would that make for hot sex or just mutual romantic destruction? IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7076 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2009 04:11 PM
I think Dejanira is mainly used in relation to Nessus as a sign of possible danger for the woman, as in the myth Nessus tried to rape Dejanira.IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 712 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted June 21, 2009 04:31 PM
Thanks, DD. Between our Dejanira and Nessus, we have a nice safe trine and semisextile. Someone mentioned a Mars-Dejanira square as causing "sexual aggro" above, so I wondered whether it would bring that dimension to contacts with other planets.IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 527 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2009 05:34 PM
IQ i have this question in my mind for months..but... maybe a calculator should just consider tight conjunctions and oppositions? i know sounds extreme and im very astrologically ignorant, but i get this feeling that trines, sextiles, squares and everything thats not conjunction/opposition is not as strong. just my crazy newbies 2 cents! IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 712 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted June 21, 2009 08:07 PM
I see what you're saying, Alia, and I think for this kind of calculator you've got an interesting point. Although...you know, I'm obsessed with checking my synastry with people and I like IQ's approach, but, I'm just not sure about this idea of SoulMates. I mean, how many of you on LindaLand score high on SoulMate synastry with somebody who: -lives somewhere else, not with you -is your ex, for various reasons -has NEVER actually gotten involved with you/lived with you/made love with you -is heavily involved with someone else -comes over and has sex with you once every couple of weeks and gets tetchy and vague when the subject of commitment comes up...and occasionally says something about how intense his/her feelings are to keep you hooked -is involved with you, but lies, cheats, falls into violent rages, emotionally manipulates you, or otherwise does not treat you right I think if SoulMate can be equally applied to "The man/woman I consider the love of my life, who I have lived with for sixteen years and really trust and still have fun with" OR "The man/woman I am obsessed with WHO IS NOT ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ME", then it's way, way, way too broad a term. I know some people have different belief systems than I do, but I think applying the idea of SoulMate to someone you are not actually involved with is just a fantasy, a way to make the incredibly depressing truth of the situation seem more palatable. And it seems like calculating "Soul Mate Synastry" could really encourage that kind of obsessive fantasizing. If you actually have a wonderful, healthy, happiness-causing relationship, you don't need a rating to tell you. If you DON'T, that's when validation for your thwarted hopes and unsatisfied attachment seems most appealing. I like the idea better of taking stock of the relationship as it really is in real life, THEN using synastry to work constructively with the issues you encounter. Of course, I'm enjoying playing with the Soul Mate calculator very much, LOL!!! IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 712 From: Registered: Jun 2016
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posted June 21, 2009 08:20 PM
IQ, a note on the Universal Filter rule based on looking at a bunch of synastries...I would include conjunctions of those objects or Jupiter (I'd add Jupiter) to ANY of the angles--AC, DC, MC, IC. But at the very least I don't see why conjunctions to the DC aren't at least as indicative of Soul Mate potential as conjunctions to the AC. I don't think the Sun can be accurately substituted for the AC as a filter...without a right birth time, synastry calculation of this kind simply does not work and isn't true. You can check where the wrong-birthtime person's slower planets fall in the right-birthtime person's houses and you can see some of their aspects, but in looking at synastries I have found that the most important indicators of a mutual romantic relationship are double-whammy angle conjunctions. Period. IP: Logged |
Alia Knowflake Posts: 527 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 22, 2009 04:45 AM
i see yr point Lucia though sometimes a soulmate is violent and is rejecting and is a runner..there should be a calculator for happy soulmates and karma-yikes kind of soulmates.. lol some people who check their score w strangers or even celebrities maybe just do for the sake of the possibility, a game of what ifs, or something like that.. but i agree if is over for good,like they married another and had 4 kids, or if they live at the other end of the world i wouldnt even bother... IP: Logged |
iQ Moderator Posts: 5397 From: Lyra Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 22, 2009 05:37 AM
Thanks for the valuable comments Lucia and Alia. I have found regular aspects to Jupiter through planets more than Asc or Dsc, hence I did not include it as a filter. In any case, a Jupiter-JUNO link will prove very strong as it is a Soul Mate Pair aspect.Yes, double whammies are the ultimate sign. DD is also doing a research project on Soulmate Synastry, plus she has encouraged me to create 3 calculators. 1. Romantic/Mutual Attraction 2. Karmic Debts/Fated to payback or evolve 3. Long Lasting Relationship My calculator is integrative at the moment. The problem with Type 1 is that it will lead to heartbreak. Even nightclub affairs and one night stands do hav a strong romantic synastry but without Karmic Placements, the relationship cannot extend beyond 3 months. Point 3 depends on the Souls with Karmic Debts. The more the forgiveness from the male for non-sexual mistakes, the longer and happier the relationship. Forgiveness from the female alone creates a long lasting and sad karmic relationship. I dont think any lady Knowflake has dumped a man who kissed his woman on her forehead whilst holding her hands, atleast once a week. Yet 100s of you lovely ladies have had their hearts broken by genuine male soulmates too lazy to evolve from the root chakra level. After 3-4 months of sex, they want a new girlfriend, so they will make up some excuse or the other to break the relationship. ------------------ Soul Mate Love Calculator http://tamsoft.co.in/articles.html IP: Logged |
comica23 Knowflake Posts: 1212 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 22, 2009 09:21 AM
Lucia23, very well said. ^_^For me, soulmates are people with whom we have a deep bond/affinity with (for better or worse), yet not exactly becoming lovers (they could be just friends - and there could be more than one soulmate). But I think that people can become soulmates by time, just like people can cease to be soulmates by time. Yet I think that all that matters is how we truly feel in the real life. And yeah, if you're not really together in the real life, then even if astrology says that you are soulmates, it would still be nothing more than a fantasy (although I've been obsessed with iQ's calculator too lol X3 ). By the way, I also think that all the four angles are relevant, specially if there are tight conjunctions between them (specially AC/DC and MC/IC). These angles' positions varies fastly, so it's not with everyone we can have these aspects.
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Alia Knowflake Posts: 527 From: az Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 22, 2009 09:53 AM
comica23 i was about to say the same thing.. maybe extending the orb to 5,as well.. conjunctions to angles, and i would add to Nodes too, could be Portals to the dimension of real/lasting soulmates relationship. especially with big boys like saturn and pluto ..maybe venus too, but less with bodies like sun moon and faster planets.so, IQ if we were to do a scheme in the middle would be the karmic debts couple: the thing can take a left turn and follow the red chakra path creating more karma and mess in the end, or take a right turn and evolve into 3 (long lasting relationship). also wanted to ask, what is that about forgiveness FROM THE MALE FOR NON-SEXUAL mistakes? if is the woman who cheats and the man forgives, that s guarantee of long and happy relationship because the man forgave a woman s sex mistake? ...then women should be sanctified cos they forgive sex flings to their men way too many times.. but if A MAN forgives that, the relationship gets more points? and why the female forgiveness creates a SAD relationship? is funny how this thread keeps resurrecting from time to time ,like a mummy IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 7076 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 22, 2009 10:16 AM
I don`t think synastry with complete strangers is fantasy. The synastry is real, no matter if you are married for 50 years or donīt even meet. The thing is, astrology is about potential and possibilities, not about guarantees.And the synastry with even Elvis Presley would give an accurate picture of how the interaction likely would be if you were to meet. (Very unlikely in the case of Elvis Presley). That you wonīt meet all of your "soulmates" is also true; that doesn`t mean they donīt exist. Of course that is just my opinion. IP: Logged |