posted May 25, 2009 03:09 PM            

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Also Venus? Vivian was not half Indian. I think you are mixing her up with Merle Oberon (who was half Indian, and also auditioned for GWTW and as legend has it, towed her Indian mother around with her and passed her off as her nanny and personal housemaid)
The mother apparently was quite happy to go along with this and availed herself most happily of all the wealthy trappings!)

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The true ethnicity of Vivien's mother is actually in question. Rumors point to her being half Indian, but we'll probably never know for sure....

posted May 25, 2009 04:06 PM            

I never thought that soulmates were all about bliss,peace,and happiness too.

Personally, I don't care about having a soulmate. I would like to be with a woman to marry and have children with and be my partner in everything. I don't consider that a soulmate though.

I am very romantic,passionate type, and so romance and passion are important in a relationship for me. I wouldn't equate a highly romantic,passionate relationship to being a soulmate relationship.

A highly spiritual connection is very important in a relationship. I wouldn't equate to that being a soulmate relationship either. I am very spiritual person,and I just want to be with a woman that is also very spiritual.

Spirituality is more important to me than romance and passion. If there is no spiritual dimension, then I am not interested.

I am not sure if's the Moon in Pisces square Neptune nor the Venus parallel Neptune.

I am starting to think that it's My Moon and Venus in aspects to kuiper belt objects......highly metaphysically oriented with their being transneptunians.

posted May 25, 2009 04:09 PM            

what IS a soulmate to you?
Or donīt you believe in soulmates?

posted May 25, 2009 04:27 PM            

I'm sure that her relationship did truly have something to do with her breakdown. Being married to a Taurus, a sign she was aiming to be, her 7th house sun giving so much importance to him...I would become bipolar too.

Electro-shock "treatments" have made many a man/woman/child insane. Back then it seemed everyone was expected to deal with things without expressing their emotions.
Everyone wanted everyone to conform. She was a Scorpio. During that time she would have been an easy target to be labeled a sex freak.

Lets not forget how many husbands carried their wives off to have lobotomies and the doctors who performed them without asking for proof. Crazy times I tell you.

posted May 25, 2009 05:09 PM            

i agree with lara vivien leigh looks about as english as they come. in fact she looks a bit like lara! any indians in your family lara?? though its always possible, since the studios decided to say she was french-irish (like scarlett o'hara), and no one else seems to know, its all conjecture!

posted May 25, 2009 05:32 PM            

very interesting stuff.

I looked at only the geometry in her chart. I didn't bother to look at any zodiac sign stuff as it can be relative with her placements differing in other zodiacs. I didn't bother looking at houses either. Those are also relative with so many house systems.

Her Mercury is in 24'00 South in Declinations, and that means that her Mercury is Out of Bounds.......that can indicate that thoughts can get out control, the mind can be unstable

Her Sun square Moon with 3'21 orb indicates masculine and feminine energies are in conflict.......so problems with marriage both internally which can lead to problems with marriage externally. It also can indicate having problems expressing feelings appropriately as self expression and feelings are in conflict with each other. It can also indicate a highly sensitive,emotional person

She has Moon square Ascendant with 4'54 orb, and that indicates emotions are in conflict with the persona......can indicate highly,sensitive emotional person but also very moody too.

Her Moon contraparallel Saturn with 20 minutes of arc indicate that her feelings are restricted,limited in some way, and can indicate possibility of emotional insecurity .....in extreme cases, depression

She has Venus square Mars with 2'51 orb, and that indicates love,affections and passion,assertion in conflict with each other. This can explain explain sexual attractiveness as well as being very sexual.....with it being a sex aspect

She has Uranus conjunct Midheaven with 2'56 orb and Uranus parallel Midheaven with 4 minutes of arc, and that indicates that she's overall independent,unpredictable, unconventional, changeable, but also can be unstable and erratic .......especially in regards to career, social status as well as domestic environment,emotions

She has Mars contraparallel Jupiter with 2 minutes of arc, and that indicates passion,energy that can be too expansive. There can be loads of enthusiasm,optimism, but also anger and aggression too.

Her Mercury sesquiquadrate Mars with 1'09 orb indicate communications are in minor friction passionate,assertiveness. This can manifest as irritations,frustrations as well as thoughts of anger and arguments.

She has Neptune conjunct Imum Coeli with 2'38 orb and Neptune parallel Imum Coeli with 6 minutes of arc. This indicates extreme sensitivity, idealism, but there can also be deception,confusion,illusion.....especially in domestic environment,feelings as well as career,social status
......seeing that Uranus also aspects........this can show possibility of instability,unreliability as well as psychiatric issues

She has Pluto quincunx Midheaven with 2 minutes of arc, and that indicates intensity,transformation and strain with career,social status.....it can indicate a nonconformist type.....as well as instability....can indicate psychiatric issues....she has the aspects with Uranus and Neptune

On a hunch, I checked to see if she has any hard aspects to kuiper belt objects.....mainly the big ones........I believe that they can be indicators of potential serious psychiatric problems with their being highly metaphysically objects due to their being transneptunians. With all of them being transneptunians, they could be about intensity,transformation, and "the other side"

Pluto is more the shaman and psychoanalyst.

Her Orcus is in 20'19 Aries
oppose Venus - 1'27
oppose Vertex - '53
square Mars - 1'23
sesquiquadrate Mercury - '13

Orcus is a large plutino which means that has 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto.......it's named after the Roman God of Death....it makes sense that Orcus be similar to Pluto astrologically as it is similar to Pluto astronomically and mythologically.

therefore, the aspects to Orcus are like aspects to Pluto. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orcus

Her Varuna is in 6'08 Pisces Retrograde
square Mercury - '36
sesquiquadrate Mars - '33

Varuna is a large cubewano which means that it's a classical kuiper belt object. It's named after the East Indian God of the Waters...he was a supreme deity......he is said to judge the souls of the dead and is depicted with a noose. It seems to be involved with judgment and justice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varuna

Her Haumea is in 16'55 Cancer
square Venus - 1'56

Haumea is a kuiper belt dwarf planet like Pluto,Eris,and Makemake. It is named after the Hawaiian Goddess of Fertility and Childbirth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haumea_(mythology)

looking at midponts
conjunctions,oppositions within 1 degree

Saturn conjunct Mars/Ascendant - '48
this can indicate restrictions,limitations in connected to assertive,passionate connections with others......this can lead to frustration,anger,aggression with others.......Mars/Saturn is also known as death axis in Cosmobiology.

Sun oppose Pluto/Node midpoint - '32
this can indicate self expression,ego in connected to intense,transformative connections,associations with others......that can lead to intense,power issues with others

I also checked heliocentric planetary nodes
to her geocentric chart
use more than 2 degree orb
only the major aspects

Mars conjunct North Saturn Node - 1'11
passion,assertiveness in connection with collective discipline,structure.....but also restrictions,limitations,depression

Sun square Neptune Nodes - 1'37
ego,self expression in connection with collective idealism,imagination,sensitivity...but also deception,confusion,illusion

Moon conjunct South Neptune Node - 1'44
emotional nature,nurturing in connection with collective idealism,imagination,sensitivity..but also deception,confusion,illusion

Venus square Pluto Nodes - '16
love,affections,values in connection with collective intensity,intensity......but also obsession,compulsion, power issues

Raymond

posted May 25, 2009 05:46 PM            

India was a British colony, and so there were British people that lived there. So she probably was daughter of 2 British parents that just lived in India. The same with many British that lived in Hong Kong which used to be a British colony.

besides what do English look like any way. or other Europeans for that matter. The Spanish and Portuguese probably have most mixed ethnic composition of all Europeans.

There are lot of people that are half Indian and half European that look mainly European.

there is one lady that played Greenlee on All My Children. She's half Indian, but she looks like she has nothing but European ancestry. She is the daughter of an Indian Maharaja father and an Austrian beauty queen mother, http://www.imdb.com/media/rm813602560/nm0802217

my stepfather (born Aug 4, 1929) who was mixed had a Trinidadian mother who was mixed. She had black in her,but she looked white. She passed for white so she didn't have to deal with racism. A lot of mixed people did that in USA,and so it's thought that 1/4 of white Americans have black ancestors. My stepfather has 3 daughters by a Japanese woman, and they don't look black. They look predominantly Asian. 2 of them have kids with fathers that are mixed with black. Those children don't look black either. One of them has even straight hair.

East Indians can come in many colors

many are light as Europeans, and some are dark as black Africans. Some are in between.

in the old days, many people of mixed European and non-European ancestry passed for white to avoid racism and have good opportunities as white people just like my stepfather's mother did. There is no telling how many whites in Hollywood were mixed with other things. People did whatever they could to make themselves look white if they already had the european features like the light skin,thin lips,thin nose. If their hair was kinky or in tight curls, they would straighten it. Some might even bleach their skins to be even more lighter.

mixed people can come out looking all kinds of ways.

I have light brown skin with my black/white mixture, and I have been mistakened for East Indian too. My mother told me that I was mistaken for Filipino at birth too. I was born with pale yellow skin,straight black hair,and slanted eyes.

Raymond

posted May 25, 2009 06:13 PM            

No I"m not familiar with that. I've never heard of it. I will look it up.

Are you a water sign? I'm a Pisces sun, Virgo rising. Everyone thinks that I have everything together but I am very Piscean, especially when it comes to relationships. I'm a Pisces at heart but Virgo is what I strive to be and its what people see if they don't know me very well-and given my tendency for solitude there aren't many people that do. I strive to keep things organized and neat inside and out, yet relationships can completely take my feet off the ground.

If it wasn't for the fire and independence in my chart and my sun being on the cusp of Aries I'd probably have drowned in my emotions a long time ago. Or maybe have had bad partners. But even though I've never had cheating or abusive partners they have all been super emotional, obsessive/possessive, crazy/exciting, or out of this world twin soul psychic connection (okay that's just one, my true love who I will never get over).

What I'm saying is for someone who is a Scorpio sun, 7th house there will probably be a more fated attraction or attractions, or at least just as fated as Pisces but with the addition of that burning Scorpio intensity. Like a flame under water. I have Pluto, Mars and Saturn in Scorpio so I understand how this could be like. Most people probably would have only seen the Taurus side, esp. since Scorps like secrecy. But she was probably also struggling to be stable and steady like a Taurus. Like her true love. It seems like they idealized each other and I think with him being a Taurus it was too much.

If it wasn't for astrology I would have had a hard time with my opposing sides. Virgo and Pisces are very different, esp. when they are placed on a 1st-7th house axis.

***************well i have a 7th house sun and i don't think there is the slightest bit of bipolar about me, though my father may well have qualified!!

i agree with lara vivien leigh looks about as english as they come. in fact she looks a bit like lara! any indians in your family lara?? though its always possible, since the studios decided to say she was french-irish (like scarlett o'hara), and no one else seems to know, its all conjecture!

posted February 02, 2012 11:03 PM            

Ms. Leigh reminds me so much of my wife, and the photographic image resemblance is more than passing.

OMG I love this thread!!

posted February 03, 2012 05:53 AM              

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In 1986, a visitor to his home found the 80-year-old Olivier sitting alone, watching Leigh in an old film on television. 'This, this was love,' he said, in tears. 'This was the real thing.'

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