posted May 29, 2009 11:22 PM            

Note- in all charts I use only the major aspects (conjunction, square, opposition, trine and sextile), and small orbs.

1. Does the natal or progressed ascendant ruler aspect the natal or progressed descendant ruler?

145 yes answers (73%) show a likelihood of finding this in an individual's progressed chart at the time of marriage. Also 86 charts (43%) had more than one aspect, having up to 6 different aspects, that showed this connection between the first house and the seventh house rulers. The charts that did not have this often had an aspect between a planet in one of these houses, or between one of the planets in the house and the ruler of the other house or some other significant connection.

Here's how to find the relevant planets:

The natal ascendant ruler is the planet that rules the sign found on the ascendant. So if you have an Aries ascendant the planet that is the natal ascendant ruler is mars. In the same example the planet that is the natal descendant ruler is venus, through it's rulership of Libra which would be found on the seventh house cusp. The progressed ascendant ruler only applies if over time the ascendant has progressed into the next sign. Then one can compare the progressed ascendant ruler to the natal descendant ruler, and the natal ascendant ruler to the progressed descendant. A lot to keep in mind, huh?

Here's the worksheet I used to keep it straight.

ntl asc ruler, ntl position: ntl des ruler, ntl position:

ntl asc ruler, prg position: ntl des ruler, prg position:

prg asc ruler, prg postion: prg des ruler, prg position:

Look for a planet in the left row to aspect a planet in the right row.

2. Does the progressed asc/des aspect the natal descendant ruler?

49 charts (25%) had a yes answer to this question.

3. Does the progressed moon conjunct an angle of the progressed or natal chart?

124 charts (62%) had a yes answer to this question. The breakdown of which angle is as follows, in order of frequency:

ascendant-36 charts the descendant-33 charts the mid heaven- 32 charts the nadir- 23 charts The progressed moon is very important factor in reading the progressed chart. It's cycle around the chart is completed in 28 years, moving at the approximate rate of one degree every month of life. Once it conjuncts one of the angles of the chart then every seven years it will conjunct one of them. I also used the changing progressed angles, which would happen shortly after the conjunction to the natal angles. This is a factor to watch in regards to relationships, as well as many important events in a person's life. As an example of the seven year cycle Abbie Hoffman comes to mind. He had three different significant relationships in his life all being cemented at the time of the progressed moon conjuncting a different angle, every seven years.

4. Does the progressed or natal sun, moon, venus, or mars aspect an angle of the progressed or natal chart?

there were 194 charts (97%) that had a yes answer to this question. This is quite common and occurs at many other times besides marriage. Almost half (332 aspects) of the aspects recorded in this section were conjunctions between one of these planets and the angles. The kind of aspect and the planet and angle involved are outlined on an other page.

5. Does the planet in the seventh house, if any, receive aspects in the progressed chart?

There were 85 yes answers to this question. As only 103 charts had a planet in the seventh house most did have this indication. 18 charts did have a planet there and it did not receive a major aspect. (83% yes)

6.-10. Involve the frequency of aspects between the personal planets - sun, moon, venus, and mars.

6. sun and mars any aspect -78 yes answers (39%)

7. sun and venus any aspect - 73 yes answers (37%)

8. venus and mars any aspect -105 yes answers (53%)

9. moon and mars any aspect - 100 yes answers (50%)

10. moon and venus any aspect - 111 yes answers (56%)

70 charts had more than one aspect for each question.

The most common aspect showing up between these planets was the conjunction of the progressed sun to natal venus. Following that was the conjunction of the progressed venus to the natal sun. 24% of the charts had one of these aspects. The next most common pair was the moon and venus found in trine, followed by venus being in trine to mars.

The least common was venus and the sun being found in opposition. There weren't any charts that had this aspect in the study. Next was mars and venus found in opposition, and also sun and mars found in opposition. Only one chart out of two hundred had each of these.

On the following page the aspects are listed in order frequency.

All of the charts studied answered yes to, at the very least 2 ,questions. Most had between 4-6 yes answers.

2 yes- 7 charts

3 yes- 26 charts

4 yes- 48 charts

5 yes- 50 charts

6 yes- 46 charts

7 yes- 16 charts

8 yes- 6 charts

9 yes- 1 chart

The one that had 9 yes answers also did not qualify for question 5. jacq o'nassis- second marriage.

posted May 30, 2009 02:15 AM              

And what are the orbs?

I will post my chart on the day i got married.
It lasted 1 week.
(while jupiter was in my Ascendant)

posted May 30, 2009 06:25 AM            

In her chart: Jupiter ASC Ruler, Merc is 7HR, Venus is 5HR, Mars is 8HR

1) 1 degree =1 day

pr Venus (9° 41) conj Mars/Venus midpoint (8° 21)
conj Merc/Jup midpoint (9° 38)
conj Sun/Jup midpoint (9° 47)

pr Jupiter (20° 32) conj Venus/Pluto midpoint (20° 51)
conj Venus (1°orb)

pr Sun (19° 32) conj Jupiter/Saturn midpoint (19°19)
conj Venus/Neptune midpoint (20°21)
conj Venus/Saturn midpoint (20°25)

pr MC conj Sun/Moon midpoint (2° orb)

pr Moon (21° 29) conj Neptune/Pluto midpoint (21°45)
conj Saturn/Pluto midpoint (21°49)

2) 1 degree = 1 year

pr Sun, Merc 7HR conj Pluto (1° orb)
pr Moon trine MC (1° 30 orb)

pr Venus (7° 52) conj Mars/Venus midpoint (8° 21)
conj Mars/Jup midpoint (7° 15)

DSC progressed into Cancer

3) solar arc MC conj Sun/Moon midpoint (1° orb)

4) solar return chart

sASC conj nDSC
s Union conj DSC
sUranus conj nMC
sPholus conj Vesta
sVesta conj Pholus/NN
sChiron on IC
sMoon in 5th
sKarma on Pluto, trine nKarma
sJuno on IC
sASC on Jup/Venus
sVenus on Vertex
sPOF on the 5th cusp

posted May 30, 2009 07:13 AM            

very interesting study.

And it definitely confirms my own theories.

EDIT:

posted May 30, 2009 06:12 PM            

Gosh, I don't remember if I counted separating! I know I definitely counted applying.

posted May 31, 2009 10:59 AM            

Hmm, I wouldn´t consider those.

posted March 13, 2016 11:18 AM            

My Dad's Moon was to conjunct his natal Moon that same year(1 Degree Cap)

posted March 13, 2016 11:50 AM              

quote:

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Originally posted by Orange:

That was enough to show a marriage.
Amazing.

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posted March 13, 2016 12:11 PM              

yes, I tend to downplay them as well, but turns out in your example we shouldn´t do that, at least not when they are in tight orb AND through rulership.

Having said that it`s funny but my pr Venus is actually sextile Mr Sag`s n Sun (0°50s) and his n Moon (0°50 a) and his n MC (0°30 a).

No I wouldn`t put too much emphasis on this, but it also struck me that we became sort of more communicative with each other just when my own pr Venus was sextile my n Sun within half a degree orb. I do think though that the reason for this was that maybe this natal progression indicatd me being more open in general, and it certianly helped in THIS case, too.

posted March 13, 2016 04:54 PM              

my Dad
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1. Does the natal or progressed ascendant ruler aspect the natal or progressed descendant ruler?

ntl asc ruler, ntl position: 18 Cap
ntl des ruler, ntl position: 17 Libra

ntl asc ruler, prg position: 5 Aqua
ntl des ruler, prg position: 17 Libra

prg asc ruler, prg postion: 3 Aqua
prg des ruler, prg position: 10 Libra

so n ASC-ruler (Mercury) square n DESC-ruler, Neptune

2. Does the progressed asc/des aspect the natal descendant ruler?

no

3. Does the progressed moon conjunct an angle of the progressed or natal chart?

not quite. But it been conjunct nDESC 7 months prior to the wedding. and was about 9 months before conjunct pDESC (and was on the exact solstice point of n DESC)

4. Does the progressed or natal sun, moon, venus, or mars aspect an angle of the progressed or natal chart?

no, but pASC was exact conjunct n Juno

6.-10. Involve the frequency of aspects between the personal planets - sun, moon, venus, and mars.

6. sun and mars any aspect -no

7. sun and venus any aspect - pVenus conjunct nSun (2 degrees applying)

8. venus and mars any aspect - no

9. moon and mars any aspect - no

10. moon and venus any aspect - pVenus square nMoon (2 degrees separating)

posted March 13, 2016 05:05 PM              

1. Does the natal or progressed ascendant ruler aspect the natal or progressed descendant ruler?

ntl asc ruler, ntl position: 28 Virg o
ntl des ruler, ntl position: 9 Libra

ntl asc ruler, prg position: 29 Cancer
ntl des ruler, prg position: 11 Libra

prg asc ruler, prg postion: 29 Cancer
prg des ruler, prg position: 11 Libra

so no.

2. Does the progressed asc/des aspect the natal descendant ruler?

no.

3. Does the progressed moon conjunct an angle of the progressed or natal chart?

yes.
Pr Moon conjunct pr ASC (1 degree separating)

4. Does the progressed or natal sun, moon, venus, or mars aspect an angle of the progressed or natal chart?

pVenus square n ASC (2 degrees applying)
pMoon conjunct pASC (1 degree separating)
pMars sextile pASC (1 degree applying)
nMoon sextile pASC exact

6.-10. Involve the frequency of aspects between the personal planets - sun, moon, venus, and mars.

6. sun and mars any aspect -pSun sextile pMars (1 degree applying)

7. sun and venus any aspect - no

8. venus and mars any aspect -no

9. moon and mars any aspect -
pMoon sextile pMars (2 degrees separating)
pMars conjunct nMoon (1 degree applying)

10. moon and venus any aspect - no