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meta_4
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posted June 07, 2009 10:23 AM
  
Venusmars,That's a really useful thread.  Thanks for posting it. Have you found it to ring true??? IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 07, 2009 10:47 AM
Meta,your actor chart is so cool.
With Neptune and Uranus on MC (btw exactly on my natal Venus. I guess I would be your biggest fan.  ) this looks like a good placement for recognition, noteworthyness, even fame.
It does square Venus and Mercury in the 6th house, so probably you will have to work hard for it, or it means that you have enough energy and a long breath to work for what you want.
Are you a method actor?
I thought it was interesting that you have such an emphasis on Virgo and 6th house. I guess you are very industrious, aren`t you?
Your "fame" constellation around MC opposes Moon in sensitive Cancer. Maybe there would be a tension between your public persona or success and your sensitive private personality?
But since that is the actor chart, MOon in Cancer could also indicate an emotional approach to your roles, some sort of identification that helps you get into character?
The ruler of ASC and DSC are square between 2nd and 6th house. Maybe some insecurity regarding financial security?
Ah I have no idea.
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DD
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posted June 07, 2009 10:57 AM
I had a look at my actor persona chart, too.
I am not an actor, but I thought maybe my fascination with actors show somehow.Personally I think this picture is beautiful, the chart looks somehow "stable".  IP: Logged |
venusmars
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posted June 07, 2009 10:58 AM
Hi meta-4
Im not married.so I dont know
but I guess it reflects the spouse and marriage.In my mom's juno chart there are 4 planets in the 9th house.my dad is sag.sun,venus and mercury.In her juno chart ven conjunct mercury, my dad has this aspect natally.Plus dad' sun conjuncts mom's juno chart M.C, in 3 deg.interesting.. In dad's juno persona chart moon,conjuncts mom's natal jupiter.
His juno persona chart mercury,conjuncts mom's sun.
His juno persona chart M.C,conjuncts mom's jono chart mars and merc. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted June 07, 2009 03:17 PM
How are you guys making a name asteroid chart? I can't seem to figure it out. EDIT: Never mind. I figured it out. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted June 07, 2009 03:26 PM
How do you interpret a person's name asteroid in your chart? Is this the effect they have on you? How are you interpreting it? IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted June 07, 2009 03:32 PM
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They're very cool, but nobody knows how to really read them, which sucks.
You read them like any other chart. You just keep in mind that this is the personality of the planet or point you're studying. If it's an MC Persona Chart, you're looking at the personality of your MC. The Sun is it's core; the Ascendant is its essence; the Mercury is how it thinks and communicates; etc.
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AcousticGod
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posted June 07, 2009 03:34 PM
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How do you interpret a person's name asteroid in your chart? Is this the effect they have on you? How are you interpreting it?
I wouldn't bring this into the realm of Persona charts. It's fine if you want to glean some meaning of it in your natal, but the personality of a name asteroid isn't going to bear any significant insight into your life. A Persona chart isn't really designed for synastry. It's designed for closer inspection of who YOU are. IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted June 07, 2009 04:20 PM
Thanks!They are interesting. My MC persona chart has a grand earth trine with jupiter on the mc. Too bad that so far that jupiter hasn't been evident in my career! IP: Logged |
woah city
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posted June 07, 2009 09:47 PM
what about the planet itself (that is persona-ed) in the chart? is this the shadow side or the unconscious or something?for instance in my moon persona chart my 'sun' (natal moon) is 20 taurus while my moon is 19 scorpio. how the heck do i interpret that? IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted June 07, 2009 10:30 PM
DD, quote:
With Neptune and Uranus on MC (btw exactly on my natal Venus. I guess I would be your biggest fan.
Woot Woot!!!!  quote:
this looks like a good placement for recognition, noteworthyness, even fame.
Hmm... kinda goes against my wishes. I mean, i want to be respected by the people in my profession, but i don't want to be a "celebrity".. eww... quote:
Are you a method actor?
I thought it was interesting that you have such an emphasis on Virgo and 6th house. I guess you are very industrious, aren`t you?
Yes. I am. That term has many vast meanings, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty, every method actor has the same idea in mind- be the character. I'm very detail oriented, and i do anything and everything to "be" whoever i'm playing. Does that sound like Virgo? quote:
Your "fame" constellation around MC opposes Moon in sensitive Cancer. Maybe there would be a tension between your public persona or success and your sensitive private personality?
Yes, i think this corresponds with what i said earlier- i don't commercial success. Well... that's not entirely true. I do, to a point, but i just don't want the B.S. that goes along with all of that. I want to make things that matter, and i don't find that many mainstream actors do that. quote:
The ruler of ASC and DSC are square between 2nd and 6th house. Maybe some insecurity regarding financial security?
YES! This was my original question, this is what i'm worried about now. Financial stability. Does the square mean that money will always be an issue for me?..
You're amazing DD. You hit the nail on the head- once again. You should become a professional astrologer. Seriously. You passion and skills never cease to amaze me. Oh Hail Great DarkDreamer, Ruler of all things Jude Law!
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meta_4
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posted June 07, 2009 10:36 PM
DD,I looked at your chart for a while today. Something that stuck out to me was your Venus in the 11th- You fall in love with your friends. Maybe your ACTOR friends. Sound familiar? Also, your Venus is trine Pluto- so when you do fall, it's sincere. Powerful. It's not a "oh, isn't he cute". It's like WAM-BAM-THANK-YOU-M'AM! I thought it was also interesting that your Talent is in the 9th house (education, philosophy, mind expansion, foreign places/people) conjunct your MC. I think this really rings true for what i know of your career and who you are. I see you this way- as a very broad-minded person who is gifted in all things that represent the 9th house. Maybe this is because you're a natal Sag? I wish you would have made the asteroids visibly aspect each other, so i could get more of a feel for the chart... Oh, what is Tyche? I see you use this sometimes when you post acting charts... IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted June 07, 2009 10:41 PM
Venusmars,But Juno doesn't strictly stand for marriage and spouse, does it? Doesn't it also demonstrate attraction? I was thinking that you could post or even pick apart your own Juno Persona and relay whether you think it's accurate for the type of spouse you'd want? IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted June 07, 2009 10:50 PM
AG, quote:
A Persona chart isn't really designed for synastry. It's designed for closer inspection of who YOU are.
Actually, IQ told me that a way to unmask a potential soulmate is to check whether you have similar patterns in your Persona charts. But maybe that's just his opinion.. But i understand what you're saying. This is to focus on YOU not your lovers. IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 08, 2009 12:58 AM
Meta-4, nice username btw, i noticed asteroid actor trine destinn also sextile talent in scorp. This is in your actor chart. but there is a yod with fortune in gem. So may be u need to go 4 the big thing and accept to be famous. Im sure some famous are simple but we dont knowIP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted June 08, 2009 01:02 AM
pire,I literally laughed out loud when i read your post! It just sounded so weird someone telling me to bite the bullet and just be famous. Not too many would complain about this subject! But thanks for the insight- i didn't even notice the yod.. But enough about me and my career- i'm stealing the thread! What about you, and your career? Or not even career, but life? I read in the "Not into Marriage" thread that you're gay- have you found this in your chart? Maybe a configuration in your Persona? Are there any asteroids that point to this? IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 08, 2009 01:42 AM
U r right meta-4, this is about persona chart.(good luck to u though)
Personal chart, hmmmm,i havent looked at those before. Astrology is amazing, and complex! I will look at my mc chart later today. Now im unemployed since january because some bankers stole the money! And my gayness is may be in the chart but i dont like this idea too much cause it diminishes free will so i dont look for it.
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pire
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posted June 08, 2009 01:42 AM
U r right meta-4, this is about persona chart.(good luck to u though)
Personal chart, hmmmm,i havent looked at those before. Astrology is amazing, and complex! I will look at my mc chart later today. Now im unemployed since january because some bankers stole the money! And my gayness is may be in the chart but i dont like this idea too much cause it diminishes free will so i dont look for it.
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meta_4
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posted June 08, 2009 01:47 AM
pire,Oh, sorry! I didn't mean to offend. You see, i believe that you're born gay- homosexuality isn't something you just wake up one day and decide to try out, you know? So yes, sorry if i offended you, i didn't mean to. Hmm.. sorry to hear about the loss of money. What was your career? Or what do you want to be? (i'm not sure how old you are, you seem young though?) IP: Logged |
Izo
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posted June 08, 2009 02:40 AM
Meta, If I remember correctly, in your natal you have Sun conj MC. This is a sign of prominence and success. Your Sun, being involved in a Grand Cross with Moon, Mars and Pluto, means you're going to fight hard to get there. I can't pretend to know what it's like to have such a Grand Cross, but I do know a little bit about Mars opposite Pluto and fighting with all you got for what you want, especially since Pluto rules my natal MC. Mars rules your 6th, right? If anybody can do it, it's a Mars opposite Pluto person.  However, it is quite likely that you will be faced with integrity issues and possibly your biggest fears. Now, about your MC persona chart. Indeed, I can see why you feel this calling to pursue this career, with Actor opposite Karma and MC. That Talent in the 5th conjunct Pluto is very good, too. I think there are chances that you will be successful, because your MC is supported by the 2 benefics in your 1st (your looks and demeanor), by Mars in the 11th (the large public), Saturn in the 7th (maybe even by your husband or an older protector/partner or agent), Pluto and Talent in the 5th (which speak for themselves).
The Sabian for your MC in this chart is THE PURGING OF THE PRIESTHOOD, indicating there will be some trials for you. It is also conjunct the fixed star Markab (Violence, honours and riches, "Star of Sorrow", literary, legal problems, accidents), so be careful.
For success, there is the Arabic Part of Success which you can calculate for your natal and see where it falls. For your MC chart (success in career) the Part of Success is at 16 Scorpio, conjunct Pluto and Talent in the 5th. Looking good to me! IP: Logged |
pire
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posted June 08, 2009 02:46 AM
29 is still young. Next february i ll be old, careful
i havent been offended, it is just a complex situation that i dont want to develop here. Not offended. dont worry.
For my situation, i plan on developing a study course on procrastination. A degree may be. Where u can learn the ropes to get jobseeker allowance as they call it in the uk. And also the pro and con of procrastination, how to explain it to the family without looking like a fool....
If it doesnt work, i ll be a truck driver. If this doesnt work either, i ve got no more plan. Im sure ill find somethingIP: Logged |
Izo
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posted June 08, 2009 02:52 AM
Hi, DD!Btw, sorry for not answering to the e-mails lately, I've been caught up in some unpleasant circumstances. Will get back to you soon.
Could you post your MC chart, it is easier with a visual. I like Jupiter and Chiron in your 1st house, I think they're very fitting for a teacher. Mars in Gemini in the 3rd trine Mercury and sextile Jupiter&Chiron (wow) is very indicative for mental work, rather intense and exhausting at times. I don't remember what you teach, but seems like you have a big interest in the arts (Venus in the 6th, MC conj natal Venus, MC ruler in the 5th), foreign languages and cultures, antropology, traveling maybe, and of course astrology .
BTW, your Actor chart looks very good, ever thought about acting?  IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 08, 2009 05:41 AM
Meta,"Something that stuck out to me was your Venus in the 11th- You fall in love with your friends. Maybe your ACTOR friends. Sound familiar? "
That would explain why I am so fond of acting and actors I guess.
Yes, it`s easy, place someone on stage and I`m going to fall in love with him. Nah, not THAT easy though. There has to be a certain spark. lol I once read that the 11th house is the house of "love received". That thought fascinates me, even though I do not know what it exactly means.
"Also, your Venus is trine Pluto- so when you do fall, it's sincere. Powerful. It's not a "oh, isn't he cute". "
Not at all!
Very sincere and very longlasting. And in my natal chart there is Venus-Pluto-square, so I guess it is a theme for me.
And donīt forget my favourite actor-crushes have strong Pluto aspects, too, and the synastry ususally has strong Pluto-aspects, also.
" thought it was also interesting that your Talent is in the 9th house (education, philosophy, mind expansion, foreign places/people) conjunct your MC."
Makes sense I guess.
"Oh, what is Tyche? I see you use this sometimes when you post acting charts..."
Tyche is the goddess of fortune and Nike is the goddess of victory. Tyche actually means "luck", and I am convinced that it plays a role in life.
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DD
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posted June 08, 2009 05:51 AM
Oh Meta,I just noticed, that Venus in actor`s chart is exactly conjunct my natal Karma, and of course yesterday`s fullmoon was falling on it. lol IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 08, 2009 06:06 AM
Meta,"Actually, IQ told me that a way to unmask a potential soulmate is to check whether you have similar patterns in your Persona charts."
do you know at which persona chart IQ was looking specifically?
Funny though, I just looked at my and Judeīs Venus persona chart and the ASC`s are conjunct and funny enough, both DSC`s in the persona chart fall on his Saturn and my Karma (and on my Venus in my actorīs chart ).
I checked some more Venus-charts, but his was the only one with that same ASC. I thought that was... strange or interesting. IP: Logged |
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