posted June 08, 2009 10:35 AM            

sorry to hear about your "unpleasantries". HOpe everything is going to be alright.

"Could you post your MC chart, it is easier with a visual."
I will do so.

"like you have a big interest in the arts (Venus in the 6th, MC conj natal Venus, MC ruler in the 5th), foreign languages and cultures, antropology, traveling maybe, and of course astrology ."
Yes, all of that. I am teaching German and Latin, so definitely languages and also ancient cultures, and yes I definitely have a big interest in the arts.

"BTW, your Actor chart looks very good, ever thought about acting?"
LOL
Well, there is a reason I am so fascinated by actors and acting itself.
No I haven`t really thought about acting myself, but the times I did and also the time I wrote a play, was really great.
I loved the whole process.

So this is my MC chart

BTW I also had a short look at my "Talent-persona chart", and there is an exact conjunction of Jupiter and Urania on 21 - 22 Pisces in 1st house, and Jupiter rules the MC.

The Sabian for Jupiter and Urania is
A PROPHET CARRYING TABLETS OF THE NEW LAW IS WALKING DOWN THE SLOPES OF MOUNT SINAI

posted June 08, 2009 11:24 AM            

did you notice?
Your Actor`s persona chart has the same angles as my MC persona chart.

"every method actor has the same idea in mind- be the character."
I can see that. Especially with that sensitive Cancer-Moon.

If I were an actor, I think I would do it like this, too, - be the character.
To be honest I don`t even understand how it can be done differently. I know it can, but somehow, the "being the character" approach resonates most strongly with me.

Of cousre I am no actor, so it is all theory. Yet, I remember that I was always "acting" as a child, and I really "became" my characters, so much actually that sometimes it got difficult to detach again and return to my ordinary Self.
I guess that is because of Neptune on my ASC.

That is the funny thing about my writing, too. It usually starts by me just scribbling down what I see in my mind - almost like it is a play and I am just writing it down, and from some point on I get sucked into my own stories and I start experiencing them, with all senses and feelings that come with them (rather exhausting if you write about darker subjects), and sometimes my "characters" even talk to me. Well, I try to talk to them, sometimes they take their time and don`t want to talk to me, espeically if I have deserted them for too long.

Doest that make me crazy?
WEll, I guess it does, a little bit.

"I'm very detail oriented, and i do anything and everything to "be" whoever i'm playing. Does that sound like Virgo?"
Yes, very much.

" Financial stability. Does the square mean that money will always be an issue for me?.."
Well, it doesn`T have to be a real issue, but I guess you will always worry about it. Or at least until you accept that there is no guarantee for stability.
Not even I as a teacher have that guarantee.
Even though the acting profession is of course more prone to "flowing finances", depending on if you are working and for how long.
On the other hand it gives you more freedom, too. MOre creativity and spontaneity.

I guess it boils down to what is more important to you.

BTW do you think a PErsona chart of asteroid "Talent" would indicate our individual talents?

And the DSC-persona chart would it relate to the natal chart, ASC-persona chart or even Moon chart of our partners?

Speaking of a Moon chart, I noticed that not only the Moon in this chart is on the exac tposition of my natal Sun (which is in EVERY persona chart the case), but that the PErsona chart`s Moon falls exactly onto my natal Sun, too.

posted June 08, 2009 04:30 PM            

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for instance in my moon persona chart my 'sun' (natal moon) is 20 taurus while my moon is 19 scorpio. how the heck do i interpret that?

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You could look at it like another couple of layers. Already, with your natal, you have the sign placement of the Moon + the influence of the house it resides in. You could choose to look at the Moon Persona chart's Moon as further coloring of your emotional nature.

posted June 08, 2009 04:54 PM            

His DSC chart to her ASC-chart

his Sun opposite her Saturn

His Moon conjunct her Sun

his Pluto opposite her Sun
his Pluto opposite her Saturn

his Karma opposite her Sun
his Karma opposite her Saturn

his Destinn exactly conjunct her Juno

his Psyche opposite her Karma

Her DSC-chart to his ASC-chart

her ASC conjuncts his MC
her DSC conjunct his Venu

her Sun conjunct his Pluto

her Venus conjunct his MC
her Venus opposite his Venus

her Mars conjunct his Saturn
her Mars conjunct his Eros

her Pluto opposite his Juno

her Karma conjunct his Moon

her Psyche opposite his Eros

her Juno conjunct his Jupiter

EDIT:

Comparing his DSC persona chart with her natal:

his DSC conjuncts her NN
his DSC conjuncts her IC

his Sun conjunct her DSC
his Pluto conjunct her DSC
his Sun opposite her Saturn
his Pluto opposite her Saturn
his Sun conjunct her Pluto

his Moon conjunct her Saturn

his Karma conjunct her DSC

his Destinn conjunct her Moon
his Destinn oppostie her Karma

his Psyche conjunct her Union

his Amor conjunct her NN
his Amor conjunct her IC

his Juno opposite her Jupiter

his Valentine conjunct her Chiron

his Union conjunct her MC
his Union conjunct her SN

posted June 09, 2009 01:48 AM            

Wow! Thanks for the report! You didn't have to do that- i was just planning on picking apart your MC Persona and trying to match it to my own, but it is greatly, greatly appreciated! I was surprised by how much you remembered my natal chart though... may i call you my stalker? RAWR!

posted June 09, 2009 01:59 AM            

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"Actually, IQ told me that a way to unmask a potential soulmate is to check whether you have similar patterns in your Persona charts."
do you know at which persona chart IQ was looking specifically?

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No, he didn't say specifically. I'm guessing the romantic planets- Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, DC, ASC, maybe even Pluto? I know Venusmars was testing out the asteroid Juno in a Persona chart on another thread. So maybe asteroids would work too, in some cases.

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did you notice?
Your Actor`s persona chart has the same angles as my MC persona chart

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Ha! No i didn't notice that- wonder what that means??!?!? We're brilliant.

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If I were an actor, I think I would do it like this, too, - be the character.
To be honest I don`t even understand how it can be done differently. I know it can, but somehow, the "being the character" approach resonates most strongly with me.

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To be honest, it's very easy to pick out the actors who do not "become" the character. You can spot it in most any performance. Some actors "play" the character they're assigned, and others "become". The difference is that... well, say i'm supposed to be a drunk in a play. If i were "playing" the role, i would stumble around, and be obnoxious, and give the audience a one-dimesional look at this person. I'd make it obvious that i am The Drunk. But if i were to "be" the character, i would show my intoxication in subtle ways, even try to hide it and be unsuccessful at concealing it. You know, just make it real. Put more into that person. Make the words i'm saying have truth, not just read them aloud.

Method acting is different for everyone. Some actors research the role to death. Some actors remain in character throughout rehearsals or takes- some actors stay in character throughout the entire run of the show, or movie shoot! It all depends on the individual and their "method".

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BTW do you think a PErsona chart of asteroid "Talent" would indicate our individual talents?

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posted June 09, 2009 06:41 AM              

coudl you take a peek at my MC PERSONA too?

im still wondering about Mc issues...been thinking about personal image consultant now,but dont really know..

THIS is it

MC libra--hmmm related to arts and fashion?

Pluto cj MC - power struggles??

moon is in Gem cj shakespeare and Talent ...so emotions attatched onto writting too and in the sign of communication.

Stellium of sun/ven/Merc in cancer in 7H:cancer relates to what?nurturing profession?

but NEPTUNE is on my ASC...illusion and deceptions perhaps...

NN cj kIRON in Gem:healing as the path...

posted June 09, 2009 06:52 AM            

Sun, Mercury and Venus in Cancer in 7th house, I think you would make an AMAZING sensitive and warmhearted counselor. Ever thought about that?
It also trines Mars, and Saturn in Scorpio in 10th house, which would give you a lot of stamina and assertiveness in a rather calm way.

Neptune on ASC could indicate insecurities about what you want or "should" do, but it also indicates a great potential for empathy.

Moon-Shakespeare-Talent in Gemini in 6th house - I think you would also make a very great writer. Probably you could even write plays or write about similiar topics like Shakespeare did. But in Gemini it would maybe be rather "lighthearted".

Chiron/NN-conjunction, maybe there is some healing in order through your "calling"?

posted June 09, 2009 07:05 AM              

Thank you!

counselour?like a phsichologist?or like a alternative medicine therapist?i thought about the two before college but went to health and environment cause of the grades..bad call cause it is not my vocation.

Hmmm i saw my sabyan of NN

WORKMEN DRILLING FOR OIL

seeMS To have to do with pursuit of material or spiritual wealth.Ambition and the drive to plumb the depths. Psychoanalysis and psychotherapy. Dream analysis. Past life explorations.

they are all true-i am fascinated by all!but kiron there makes me think of healing as well.altough i think that i dont have any skills to do that,like my Mother has.

i love to writte as you know too.

AC´S SABYAN is rather strange:

AN INDIAN CHIEF CLAIMS RECOGNITION AND POWER FROM THE ASSEMBLED TRIBE

posted June 09, 2009 07:08 AM            

My gut feeling is that there is room for fated events in life occuring when the Planet of the Persona Chart transits its Persona Chart Ascendant in the normal Tropical Natal Chart. Example: My Moo Persona Asc is 3 Leo and every time Moon transits 3 Leo, some fated Lunar related event will occur.
This is just one possibility, we must do stringent research before jumping to any conclusion.

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posted June 09, 2009 07:10 AM            

"Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, DC, ASC, maybe even Pluto?"
Yes, I think so. I am personally getting fond of my theory of comparing DSC-persona chart with ASC-persona or natal chart (which actually is the Sun-persona chart) of the other person.

Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward was a success in that regard, let`s see what the other charts will say.

"We're brilliant. "
Of course we already knew whtat before.

"To be honest, it's very easy to pick out the actors who do not "become" the character"
Yes, I get this.
And I must say usually that approach doesn`t grip me.
If they "are" the character, that is what fascinates me and really grips me.

If they just "play", it feels like there is a distance, a void between actor and role, and that takes away from the performance, for my taste. It is just my personal taste I guess.

"even try to hide it and be unsuccessful at concealing it."
You mean your hands would shake and you would try to hide them, and give a quick glance to make sure noone noticed?

In a way it is what happens when I am writing a story.
First there is the character, the person and their "emotional conflict", and from that point on the story develops.
It`s not even MY story. The story grows on its own from the character, the conflict and a situation. That`s all, really.

"I think it's something to investigate. Smart idea!"
Thanks. Wanna have a stab at my talents?

BTW in Jude`s MC chart Shakespeare is conjunct Nike, the goddess of victory, in Pisces in 10th house (at least I think it was 10th).

posted June 09, 2009 07:29 AM            

"counselour?like a phsichologist?or like a alternative medicine therapist?"
Maybe both.
Even though that high emphasis on Cancer and 7th house makes me think of "life-aid" counseling, maybe even a relationship counselor, or a psychologicst as you mentioned.

"mmm i saw my sabyan of NN

WORKMEN DRILLING FOR OIL "
That is a great sabian for a psychologist, don`t you think?
It means that part or purpose of your professions is "digging deep", and I think it means in a psychological sense.

BTW the Sabian of my Talent-chart is "Cupid is knocking at a human`s heart." What does that mean?
The purpose of my talent is to what?

"AN INDIAN CHIEF CLAIMS RECOGNITION AND POWER FROM THE ASSEMBLED TRIBE

talks about assuming authority,charisma.respect..finding a sense of place and standing up in the crowd....I DO HOPE ...NOT!!!!i have a fophia on talking in front of crowds :P"
Maybe it means that this is something you`ve got to learn?
Standing up for yourself (ASC), it will be part of your profession, you will HAVE to assert yourself, but you also have the power and strenght for this (just look at Mars and Saturn in Scorpio in 10th house, if that isn`t an indicator of inner strength, I don`t know what is).

The Sabian of the ASC in my MC-chart is "An Empty Hammock Stretched Between Two Trees"
Maybe it means I am too lazy?

The Sabian of my NN in the MC chart is:
A RABBIT METAMORPHOSES INTO A NATURE SPIRIT

So what IS the purpose of my profession, my calling?
Rabbit? Nature spirit? It`s somehow not really graspable, is it?

posted June 09, 2009 12:26 PM            

I'm studying your Talent chart right now.

Talent conjunct ASC in Pisces- you're gifted in areas Piscean/Neptunian. Music, mysticism, art, writing, etc. You're dreamy. Perhaps create vivid fantasies.

Also in your first house is Venus conjunct Jupiter, square your MC in Sag, trine your Destinn. Your fated to work in Sagittarian matters- languages, religion, philosophy, travel, adventure. Also your Neptune and NN are in the 9th house, adding onto this even more.

Something interesting i found was Saturn in the 5th, in Cancer. Perhaps there's a struggle between your dreams and hopes and reality? You put a damper on your romantic, adventurous, fun endeavors? So you're talented at keeping yourself grounded?

I wonder what your Mars in the 11th means. The 11th house seems to be a big theme in your charts. Is that from your Aqua Moon? I have an Aqua Moon, but i never have this much 11th house action. Friends must play a big part in your life. Those relationships are essential in who you are.

posted June 09, 2009 12:33 PM            

Thanks for the tid bit of advice!

posted June 09, 2009 12:41 PM            

Looking at my own Talent chart- it's almost identical to my Juno Persona chart. Why is that? My talent and my spouse are one in the same? Maybe i'm going to be married to my career/talent? ... that sounds like a lonely life.

Here she is:

posted June 09, 2009 12:49 PM            

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BTW in Jude`s MC chart Shakespeare is conjunct Nike, the goddess of victory, in Pisces in 10th house (at least I think it was 10th).

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I just noticed that i have this exact placement in my Talent chart (except my tenth house is in Libra).

posted June 09, 2009 02:47 PM            

is your Talent conjunct Juno? That would explain it.

Well, maybe it is your talent to find a spouse.
Of you will find a partner, if you express your talents?

Ah, Jude, well, he has an EXACT conjunction of Jupiter (his chartruler), Destinn, Shakespeare and NN in 2nd house.

And Talent conjuncts Moon and Fortuna in Libra in 10th house. (and my Adonis and Union sitting on this).

Quod erat demonstrandum.

posted June 09, 2009 02:51 PM            

Yes, my Talent and Juno conjunct in Scorpio. That explains it.

Interesting about Jude- is this in his natal chart? MC Persona? Talent Persona?

posted June 09, 2009 03:20 PM            

that was his natal chart, Haven`t really looked at too many of his persona charts.

Well, I would not have pegged him a Shakespeare actor myself, but curiously, I imagine that he will be amazing as Hamlet.
All that suppressed anger and frustration inside him; so I think Hamlet will give him a great opportunity for letting this out.