posted June 10, 2009 02:44 PM            

No problem. I didn't mean to stalk you, it's just I couldn't take my eyes off your chart, when you posted it. Guilty, officer!

posted June 10, 2009 06:57 PM            

Ok, cool. Thanks for clearing that up! I was worried for a second!

Quick question: DD has been using this method of comparing one person's ASC Persona to another's DC Persona, kinda like Persona synastry. Do you think that would work, or be accurate?

posted June 11, 2009 02:03 PM            

I think you have a wonderful MC chart for being a successful actor! First off, you have Chiron, Venus, and Jupiter all conjunct in the 1st house. You may have already heard about Magi calling Venus or Jupiter aspects to Chiron "Cinderella" aspects. I'm not a follower of Magi, but I do think that when you take the parts of yourself that Chiron represents - pain, personal wounds, alienation - and link that harmoniously with Venus and Jupiter, you get an inner energy (and external experience) that transforms that pain into the source of charisma.

Then I like how all that squares your 11th house Moon. I think of the 4th quad of a chart as the part of ourselves that is closely tied with the universal. Your Moon is the public's Moon, and their Moon is your Moon. You naturally become the conduit for expressing their emotions - it's natural for you to feel it, and for an audience to react to you that way. Then that powerful square from your first house stellium, infuses that public Moon - that shared emotional experience - with all of your first house gifts.

I'm also liking the opposition from your 5th house Pluto to your 11th house Mars. The physicality that you're sharing with the public is being fed by enormous creative power.

So all this to me shows that you'll be, and the world will receive you as, a gifted actor. But your question was will you get paid...so sad that the two don't go hand in hand in show business. I'd say the two benefics in your 1st house are positive indicators of financial success. Sun in the 2nd also indicates to me that part of your MC self's function is gathering resources. Your Sun forms a quincunx with Saturn in Cap. The quincunx, to me, is an aspect that waxes and wanes. Sometimes its gifts flow easily like with a trine; other times there are obstacles like with an opposition. I think this shows that money will come in spurts, something typical of an actor. Having both benefics prominently placed in the 1st could very well mean that those spurts will be more than enough to keep you financially comfortable or even very wealthy.

posted June 11, 2009 02:32 PM            

The first time, I looked at which planets my SO and I had most heavily aspected in our regular synastry. I then ran a persona chart for each of our most aspected planets, and did synastry between that persona and the other's natal. The synastry was amazing: Sun-Moon, Venus-Pluto, Moon-NN, and on...all tight, and several double whammies. I also did synastry with the persona charts for both of our chart rulers and got similarly astrounding synastry.

I highly recommend doing this type of synastry with your own VIPs. We react differently to various people not just because they activate different planets/houses/etc for us, but also because they activate the corresponding persona chart. I suspect that the people we're craziest about have a natal chart that hooks the persona chart they activate in us.

posted June 11, 2009 02:47 PM            

of course I do not hate you. What on earth makes you think I ever could?

I am interested in IQ`s take myself.
But I`m also used to have my own thoughts and express them.
That`s what I did. But not to make you feel like I was pouting in a corner.
Believe me, I am not the pouting kind.

Besides I respect IQ`s astrological opinion very much, as you know.

Eve,

posted June 11, 2009 03:32 PM            

For orbs, I have a system I usually use, but I think that's just a matter of personal preference. I use 5-6 deg for cnj's/opp's, 4-5 deg for trines/squares, 2-3 deg for sextiles and quincunx. I probably even used quindeciles because I love those guys.

I like your technique though. A glance can show you which planets look prominent. I'd study those personas first.

Something I've just started wondering...maybe the persona's ASC shows from where inside ourselves we hold that persona.

I have my 4th house ruler cnj my 8th house ruler. And that is the way I experience other people - I feel how they touch me on my deepest level. The men I've fallen in love with have been the ones with whom I've felt the least distance between my inner self and who they are. That's what love is to me, that feeling of union. Love ended for me when I sabotaged that union by not letting him know all of me, and the other time when I realized that there were parts of myself he couldn't feel. As long as I feel that deep bond, I stay in love and committed. Without that deep bond, nothing really gets me going. Everything less than that feels like pretend. This is probably also because I have Pluto in my 12th house cnj my Venus-Juno mp.

Rest assured, I do have a point! So I just looked again at my Venus Persona Chart. It has Venus in Aqua cnj the Asc. When I overlay the Asc in my natal chart, it's cnj my IC. So to me, this does illustrate how I love from my deepest self. It starts there or doesn't start at all.

The ASC in my MC Persona falls in my 9th house. My career does stem from an urge to communicate within the social mind.

So what do you think? Can you see the ASC of your Persona Chart lining up with where inside your natal that persona lives?

posted June 11, 2009 04:54 PM            

I`m not completely sure what you mean.
So I would be looking at the ASC of the persona chart, right?

Well, yes, I kinda noticed that.
My Neptune Persona chart is actually more than interesting. It has a Sun-Moon-conjunction, which falls onto my natal ASC; and also a Mercury-Neptune-conjunction which is still conjunct that Sun and Moon, so basically, Sun, Moon, Mercury-Neptune in the 5th house of that chart, and also on top of my natal ASC and NN.

And of course all of that is conjunct Jude`s natal ASC and Venus. ROFL

The persona Venus falls onto his Moon-Uranus-conjunction in his 10th house, I guess this is what I feel, most probably.

Also, the ASC, jeez that got me floored, is on 20 Cancer, exactly conjunct my Eros and also conjunct my Saturn, Vertex and Destinn and opposing my Sun-Moon-mp.
I have always called this my "fate-axis", especially since it is in the 8th house.

And Jude, well, his NN-Destinn-Shakespeare-conjunction is opposing this from 17 Capricorn (I think 3 degree is still valid). His Eros exactly trines this.

For him this persona chart has an ASC on 29 Aquarius, falls into his 2nd house and trines his Moon and exactly square his Mars.
It is also exactly conjunct my Black Moon Lilith.
This Persona`s IC conjuncts my Karma.

The Moon opposes my Saturn.
The Venus conjuncts my Antivertex and Sun-Moon-mp and opposes my Destinn and Eros - yes it is my Fate axis again. lol

NN conjuncts my Sun and Mercury.

The Sun-Neptune-conjunction conjuncts my natal Mars, ASC, Neptune and NN, and OF COURSE falls exactly on the Sun-Moon-conjunction in MY Persona chart.

I think I should have a look at the 7th house ruler charts.

EDIT:
The ASC of my Venus-persona chart is on 16 Sagittarius, falling into my 1st house and exactly opposing my Karma.
So my loving starts with myself?

posted June 12, 2009 01:44 AM            

With your Venus Persona's DSC falling on your natal Karma, it sounds like your love nature is triggered when you sense with someone a karmic bond. Without that feeling, you won't fall in love. (I feel like I'm saying almost nothing when I say that. "Karmic" can seem like such an empty word without a definition. But since it's your chart, I don't want to attempt to describe what a karmic bond feels like to you or even to presume that you feel it.)

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Also, the ASC, jeez that got me floored, is on 20 Cancer, exactly conjunct my Eros and also conjunct my Saturn, Vertex and Destinn and opposing my Sun-Moon-mp.

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Wow, now that's a prominent placement! Do you feel that it's through that place in your chart that you fall into your Neptune? My theory is that the Persona ASC's placement in our natal will provide an accurate description for where that subterranean persona joins our surface self.

My Venus Persona's ASC cnj my natal IC makes so much sense to me.

A way to think about it is that the Persona is more focused and deep, while the natal chart is our multi-faceted personality. The natal tells us how our, say, Neptune interacts with the rest of our personality, as one character within a play that always contains many.

The persona chart gives us an extensive story about our isolated Neptune energy. It's the character's inner world.

The place our Neptune Persona ASC falls in our natal - house placement as well as conjs/opps - tells us where that inner world meets our personality. It's the moments in the play when the character reveals his inner world. He needs the other characters and events in the play (the natal chart) to do this because he can't exist outside of the play.

So while the placement of our Neptune tells us how our Neptune serves us as a whole, the placement of our Neptune Persona's ASC tells us how our whole serves our Neptune. It's a way in. (Or out, depending where you're starting. )

I'm looking at my other persona charts to see if any other ASC placements stun me with their accuracy. The ASC for my Moon Persona is exactly cnj my natal Juno. So I'm interpreting this to mean that it's through my Juno that I get in touch with the deeper layers of my Moon. Interestingly, I have Juno in Cancer. That reflects on the personality level (natal chart) the link between my Juno and deepest Moon energy.

The ASC for my Mercury Persona is cnj my natal Pluto. Natally my Mercury is in Sco, so, again, that reflects on the personality level the link between Pluto and my deepest Mercury energy.

posted June 12, 2009 05:20 AM            

"No, your loving starts with me - my Sun is at 16 Sag."

That is just great.
Must be one of the reasons we get along so greatly.
BTW I just had the thought, that this might even explain onesided feelings?
If one`s natal is strongly aspecting our persona chart, maybe we would be more attached than the other person with the natal? Or are they also touched by our persona chart? And if so in what way?
But I thought since the persona chart is so deeply personal and deep within ourselves, that it is the persona owner, who feels the strongest, which is a real bummer, cause Judé`s natal has astonishing aspects to my Venus persona chart, but unfortunately my natal isn`t affecting his Venus persona chart as strungly. Bummer, as I said.

"With your Venus Persona's DSC falling on your natal Karma, it sounds like your love nature is triggered when you sense with someone a karmic bond."
Yes. Even though karmic sometimes is an empty word, I would agree with that.
Funny though Jude`s Saturn is exactly conjunct my Karma and therefore the Venus Persona`s DSC.
Does that mean I feel I have a karmic debt (my karma) to feel a certain attraction to him (DSC of my Venus persona chart)?

"Do you feel that it's through that place in your chart that you fall into your Neptune?"
Yeah what does it mean to fall into my Neptune?
But yes, I think there might be one explanation that spirituality and fantasy are tightly intervowen with a sense of fate, yet also pretty erotic.

So I would connect to my spiritual side (Neptune) through Vertex, Eros, Destinn in Cancer in 8th house and Sun-Moon-Midpoint (as it is on the persona`s ASC)?

"The persona chart gives us an extensive story about our isolated Neptune energy. It's the character's inner world."
Yes, that is exactly how I see it.

I will do a scan later on.

WEll, you should see the SN-chart for Jude and me. Do you think it might relate to a possible past life?

EDIT:

Moon-Persona chart:
ASC on 6 Cancer in my natal 7th house exactly opposing Venus (so natal Venus is on the DSC)

Mercury-Persona chart:
ASC on 20 Gemini conjunct Mars in my natal 7th house

Venus-Persona chart:
ASC on 16 Sagittarius in my natal 1st house opposing Karma

Mars-Persona chart:
ASC on 0 Libra conjunct Moon and opposing Vertex in my natal 9th house

Jupiter-Persona chart (chartruler):
ASC on 25°55 Gemini in my natal 7th house exactly opposing Sun on 25°56 Sagittarius and Mercury on 25°03 Sagittarius!

ASC-Persona chart:
ASC on 17 Leo in my natal 8th house exactly opposing Moon

DSC - Persona chart:
ASC on 17 Aquarius in my natal 2nd house exactly conjunct Moon

Karma - Persona chart:
ASC on 23 Leo in my natal 8th house exactly opposing Psyche

DEstinn-Persona chart:
ASC on 9 Libra in my natal 10th house exactly conjunct Pluto

Eros chart:
ASC on 12 Gemini opposing Valentine and Neptune on the DSC, ASC in my natal 7th
house conjunct SN (and Kaali and Innanen)

posted June 12, 2009 05:41 AM            

And this is his SN chart with my natal

posted June 12, 2009 06:34 AM            

My NN chart - his natal

His NN chart - my natal

23,

posted June 12, 2009 07:26 AM            

Yes, this will work very well. Neptune Persona should work well for DD.

For me, Mercury, Saturn and Neptune are quite strong natally.

In Mercury Persona:
Moon and Ascendant are exactly conjunct in 24 Scorpio.

Kaali and LUST are exactly conjunct
[thereby making me an intellectual/mental practitioner of Tantrik Sex... bah.. this would have been handy in a Mars Persona...]

In Saturn Persona: ATLANTIS is placed exactly conjunct my Draconic Ascendant. Absolute Karmic Link to Atlantis confirmed.

In Neptune Persona: My Neptune Persona Ascendant exactly conjuncts my Natal Venus.
Jupiter conjuncts Natal Sun, meaning I grow as a person the more I embrace my Neptunian Nature. My wife always says I must swim some more...
And Moon conjuncts Pluto exact, possibly enhancing the occult psychological-spiritual drive.

So Persona charts can be quite useful in self analysis as well.

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posted June 12, 2009 07:44 AM            

Great findings, IQ.
And what you said about being an intellectual tantric practiser / thinker. I think that is a very important point.
We have to always remember that the persona charts are important and telling in relation to that one planet, we calculated them for.

So, a Kaali-Lust conjunction in a persona chart has always to be reflected back to the nature of the planet, in your case, Mercury, hence intellectual, instead of just doing it.

I wonder what the newmoon on the IC in my NN-chart means then, that it is part of my life path to get to know myself really deeply?

BTW IQ, I have a similiar link to Atlantis.
In my Saturn Persona chart Atlantis is exactly conjunct my Draconic Sun.
And in the Karma Personar Atlantis is conjunct my Draconic ASC, too.

EDIT:
So far the most intriguing persona charts seem to be (for me) the:
Moon, Venus, Saturn, Neptune (as it is so strongly placed), Nodal and Karma perona chart.

I haven`t checked the Pluto chart yet, and I have the feeling that an Atlantis persona chart would be interesting in my case, too.

posted June 12, 2009 08:51 AM            

Just from a glance:

°Pluto conjuncts ASC on 12 - 13 Libra opposing Jupiter on the DSC (and my part of Reincarnation is on 12-13 Aries)

° Pluto / ASC squaring the exact conjunction of Valentine and Eros

° triple conjunction of Sun, Mercury and Neptune falling on my natal ASC, NN, neptune and Atlantis

° Venus exactly conjunct Destinn in 1s house opposing Chiron in 7th house

° Karma in Libra in 12th house exactly quinkunx retograde Atlantis in Taurus on the cusp of 8th house, which falls exactly on natal PoM and asteroid Actor

° Juno in Virgo in 11th house trine Valentine and Eros

° MC falls exactly on my natal Saturn (and IC falls exactly on Jude`s natal True Node)

° Atlantis conjunct my natal Lucifer exactly and quinkunx Karma and Sun, Mercury in the persona chart; also quinkunx Mars, ASC and Atlantis in the natal chart

° Psyche conjuncts natal Karma and trines persona ASC

posted June 12, 2009 05:00 PM            

quote:

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click on the box with persona charts, and in the little box where it sais "Moon" you can scroll down and pick whatever planet or angle you want.

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Aah, it's on the actual chart page. Aha, got you now. Thanks

posted June 14, 2009 12:56 AM            

Wow! Thank you so much for your in-depth report! It is greatly appreciated.

To tell you the truth, i read it while i was at work (I know, bad Meta!) and started to giggle like a little school girl. For the rest of the day everyone kept saying to me, "Woah, you're in a good mood!??!".

quote:

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You may not want fame, but I think Karma on your MC means fame wants you. So to paraphrase pire, deal with it.

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This sentence makes me sound ungrateful for my possible future, so let me explain. It's not that i don't want success, because OBVIOUSLY i do... but in my opinion a lot of actors who do become famous get caught up in the game-of-fame. They lose their integrity. Once you have that sort of spotlight, you stop thinking about the work and start focussing on your image- and when that happens, you're no longer an actor.

...to me at least.

Forgive me, you're probably Jennifer Aniston, and you now hate me!!!!

But thanks again for the info, and well wishes.