posted June 14, 2009 01:47 PM            

1. my Venus-Persona - his natal

his Mars, Juno conjunct my Valentine in 12th house (of the Persona chart)

his Venus and ASC conjunct my NN, Lust, Mars and Amor in 12th house

his Sun conjunct my Sun in 12th house

his NN, Destinn and Jupiter conjunct my Venus in 1st house

his Eros conjunct my Juno in 3rd house

his Saturn conjunct my Karma and DSC in 6th house

his Vertex conjunct my Eros and Destinn in 7th house conjunct 8th cusp

My SN-Persona

his DSC conjunct my Sun in 11th house

his Saturn conjunct my Juno on the 12th cusp

his Mars and Juno conjunct my nN in 5th house

his Karma conjunct my Valentine in 6th house

his Sun conjunct my Lust in 6th house

his Jupiter, NN and Destinn conjunct my DSC

his Eros conjunct my Amor and MC

his IC conjunct my Mars in 10th house

my NN PErsona

his Saturn ocnjunct my Psyche in 10th house

his MC and Pluto conjunct my Karma and Pluto in 2nd house

his Moon and Uranus conjunct my Venus and Destinn in 2nd house

his Neptune, ASC and Venus conjunct my Sun, Moon, Mercury, Neptune and IC in 4th house

his Jupiter, NN and Destinn conjunct my Eros and Lust on the 5th cusp

my Saturn Persona

his Mars and Juno conjunct my NN in 10th house

his Venus conjunct my Valentine in 11th house

his Sun conjunct my ASC in 12th house

his Eros conjunct my Amor in 2nd house

his Lust conjunct my Psyche in 45h hous

his Valentine conjunct my DSC and Juno

his SNC onjunct my Sun in 8th house

his Vertex conjunct my Moon, Saturn in 8th house

my MOon Persona

his DSC and Saturn conjunct my Karma in 12th house

his Valentine conjunct my ASC in 1st house

his ASC conjunct my NN in 6th house

his Venus conjunct my Valentine and Neptune in 6th house

his Sun conjunct my DSC in 7th house

his NN, Destinn and Jupiter conjunct my Amor in 7th house

his IC anc Chiron conjunct my Juno in 11th house

my Karma Persona

his Vertex conjunct my Karma on 12th cusp

his Psyche conjunct my IC

his Karma conjunct my Valentine on 5th cusp

his Sun conjunct my Lust in 5th house

his Eros conjunct my Amor in 8th house

his Saturn conjunct my Sun in 10th house

his Mars and JUno conjunct my NN in 4th house

posted June 14, 2009 01:52 PM            

my Amor, Mars, Lust, NN conjunct his Psyche in 12th house

my chrion conjunct his IC in 4th house

my Karma conjunct his DSC in 6th house

his Saturn Persona

my Karma conjunct his Saturn in 11th house

my Venus conjunct his Vertex and NN in 5th house

my MOon conjunct his DSC and Jupiter in 7th house

my Jupiter conjunct his Destinn in 8th house

my Chiron conjunct his Amor in 9th house

his Venus Persona

my NN conjunct his Sun in 12th house

my Sun conjunct his NN in 1st house

my Venus conjunct his jUno in 1st house

my Chiron conjunct his Amor and IC in 4th house

my Karma conjunct his DSC

his NN Persona:

my Mars, Amor, ASC, Lust, NN conjunct his Mars and Juno in 11th house

my Sun and MErcury conjunct his Venus and Karma in 12th house

my Venus conjunct his Mercury in 1st house

my MOon conjunct his MOon in 2nd house

my Psyche conjunct his Amor in 2nd house

my Karma conjunct his Saturn in 6th house

his Karma Personar

my Sun and Mercury conjunct his Eros and NN in 2nd house

my Mars, ASC, Lust and NN conjunct his MErcury in 1st house

my Venus conjunct his Juno in 2nd house

my Chiron conjunct his Amor in 5th house

my Saturn, Vertex, Destinn and Eros conjunct his MOon in 9th house

his SN PErsona

my Saturn conjunct his Sun in 12th house

my Mars, ASC, NN, Lust conjunct his JUno in 5th house

my Venus conjunct his nN in 6th house

posted June 15, 2009 04:19 PM              

i only arrived today!Oh how great!!!!!i loves all your interpretations really...

i love writting,love hearing otherīs and help them and also love fashion!

So...that is all there in the MC Persona then...

Eve

yup it is a person that works to the other that wants to improve their image.moslty im thinking about personal shopper/adviser of style/make up all in one hihihihi

posted June 16, 2009 04:18 PM            

I'm not sure whether Personas are one-sided. I'm conceiving Personas in how they differ from Draconics. Draconics are a deeper layer of our identity. They transcend personality. Meanwhile Personas are a more complete telling of our personality. Our Venus Persona, rather than going beyond our personality, instead elaborates on our personality.

Take for example my Venus Persona ASC being cnj my natal IC. That cnj simply illustrates that my Venus and my IC are linked within my personality. If the Persona operated on a deeper level, then I could conceivably live as only the natal Venus and not involve my IC. That schism should be easy to live. But that's not how I experience my Venus at all! My Venus is only mildly interested until she meets someone who sets my IC aflame. That's when love starts. The two have always gone hand in hand for me. (Btw, your natal Moon is cnj my Venus Persona Asc. xoxo )

So if this is true - that we always live our Persona because it's part of our complete personality - then I think other people can react to our Persona in synastry. I'm not sure how it would work, but then, I'm not sure how any astrology works! I still marvel at the mystery of synastry, how people perceive and react to the astrological identity in another. My first thought is that people will feel our Venus Persona when we're most strongly pulsating as Venus. But maybe they can feel that Persona even when we're not feeling especially Venus-like, same as how they can sense our natal Venus placement regardless? Idk. More observation is needed. *buttons lab coat and puts hair in a bun*

posted June 16, 2009 04:30 PM            

Funny though Jude`s Saturn is exactly conjunct my Karma and therefore the Venus Persona`s DSC.
Does that mean I feel I have a karmic debt (my karma) to feel a certain attraction to him?

Makes sense to me. I'd even say that you feel indebted to offer unrequited affection in particular. I've noticed in synastry with Karma that what happens is the planet person gives to the Karma person that planet's energy. His Saturn on your Karma & DSC could mean that you want him to deny/delay/restrict the fulfillment of your DSC's desires. Emphasis on "could". Saturn means many things. It could also mean the opposite, that you want and receive his devotion.

But yes, I think there might be one explanation that spirituality and fantasy are tightly intervowen with a sense of fate, yet also pretty erotic.

So I would connect to my spiritual side (Neptune) through Vertex, Eros, Destinn in Cancer in 8th house and Sun-Moon-Midpoint (as it is on the persona`s ASC)?

Yes, that's what I mean. I've looked through more charts, and the Persona ASC still looks significant to me. It reveals additional information about what in our personality is essential for expressing that persona. It may be easier to see the Persona ASC's relevance with personal planets.

About your SN Persona synastry with Jude...I know I'm not seeing anything you haven't noticed, but I found this symmetry interesting:

--Your SN Neptune is cnj his Venus
--His SN Neptune is cnj your Mars
--Your SN NN (going cross-eyed ) is cnj his Mars
--His SN NN is cnj your Venus

Ok, how to piece this together. It's your SN charts, so it's where you're coming from. In that context, you both have your NN and Neptune cnj each other's romance planets. Sounds like a recognition that in loving the other, you will develop (NN) as spiritual beings (Neptune). Add to that how you have natal Saturn cnj SN dw's, and it looks like both of your charts are saying that lesson wasn't completed.

Then in your NN charts...
--you have his Lust on your SN
--he has your Saturn, Eros, VX, and Destiny on his SN

posted June 16, 2009 04:35 PM            

Oddly my Mars persona chart is nearly Mr 23's natal chart!

posted June 16, 2009 04:41 PM            

again a very interesting post by you.

"Draconics are a deeper layer of our identity. They transcend personality."
Mmh, I think it depends on how you define "personality"; they are surely a part of us, just a deeper one.
BTW would you say, that in synastry, if someone`s tropical triggers our Draconic, the Draconic partner will be affected, yet the tropical partner can be unaware of the deep effect he has on the Draconic partner?

"Our Venus Persona, rather than going beyond our personality, instead elaborates on our personality. "
I definitely agree here.

"My Venus is only mildly interested until she meets someone who sets my IC aflame."
So, over that "flaming" of your IC, your Venus-persona (specificially the Venus-persona ASC) would be triggered?

"Btw, your natal Moon is cnj my Venus Persona Asc. xoxo )"
You my Moon is conjunct your Venus Persona ASC and your Sun is conjunct my Venus Persona ASC?
Probably we could bring a lot of our "Venus-side of our personality" to consciousness by just being ourselves.

"then I think other people can react to our Persona in synastry."
Yes, it makes sense.

"Perhaps if our Persona interacts heavily with someone's natal - like your Venus Persona does with Jude - then that person easily sees that Persona in us. So yes, Jude's personality triggers your Venus Persona"
He through his existence alone or whatever planet touches my Venus-persona, would make me aware of my own Venus, is that right?

" but it's not one-sided. Your Venus energy is a part of your personality that he would easily recognize and understand."
I would really like that.

posted June 16, 2009 04:43 PM            

In Neptune Persona: My Neptune Persona Ascendant exactly conjuncts my Natal Venus.

I'm not surprised! You're giving and good-natured to a degree not typically seen.

Add your warrior Aries Asc., and you make quite a man.

posted June 16, 2009 05:18 PM            

I'd be giggling like a school girl too if that were my MC persona!

I know many people would be wary of the square between your Moon and first house planets, but I don't think squares in themselves indicate problems. I think it's more about extreme energy that the native feels compelled to put into form on the material plane (rather than bask in internal harmony). I find the Saturn quincunx with the Sun more worrisome. Saturn brings struggle, but like I said in the earlier post, the quincunx tells me that struggles will be cyclical not permanent.

And don't worry, I understood what you meant about fame and I didn't think you ungrateful. I appreciate your philosophy, and I'm wondering if perhaps your Karma is to live that out. Idk if you believe in past lives, but humor me for a minute. In your MC Persona, your Karma is cnj your MC in Pisces. Perhaps in a past life you lost sight of the whole, and as your power increased you isolated yourself. So now, your fame is an opportunity for you never to lose not only your integrity as an actor, but also your integrity as a spiritual being.

Jennifer Aniston, ha ha, no, wouldn't pick to be her. If you must know, I'm J Lo. I'm currently in talks for a Maid in Manhattan 2. Ralph is even more eager to begin work on it than I am!

As far as my chart, I'm having trouble getting photobucket to edit it w/o distorting the image. So I ran your chart at cafeastrology, using the birth info from your MC chart. (Hope you don't mind ). I find our MC action funny, considering this is a thread about your MC persona.

We have:

your Sun cnj my MC
my Moon cnj your MC
your Moon cnj my IC
my Sun sextile your Moon, trine your Sun

our angles in the same signs, widely cnj

your Mercury cnj my Mars & Jupiter
your Merc trine my Venus & Chiron

my Merc trine your Jupiter

my Venus cnj your Neptune
my Venus sxt your Pluto
your Venus trine my Uranus
your Venus square my Pluto

your Mars cnj my chiron
your Mars trine my Venus, Mars, and Jup

posted June 16, 2009 05:25 PM            

"I've noticed in synastry with Karma that what happens is the planet person gives to the Karma person that planet's energy."
Makes sense.
My Venus is trine musicman`s Karma, and I definitely have affection and admiration for him.
On the other hand his Lust exactly conjuncts my Karma.
Hmm, no, I donīt think so.

Interestingly my karma steps right into the "minefield" of Jude`s Venus-Saturn-opposition. Not sure what to think of that. That I feel his inner tension and frustration?

"I've looked through more charts, and the Persona ASC still looks significant to me."
Yes, I can only agree.
My Mum`s Venus chart`s DSC and Juno conjunct my Dad`s Sun.
My Dad`s Venus chart`s ASC don`t have conjunction to my mum`s chart, BUT his Venus chart`s IC and Moon fall on her Pluto (she is a Scorpio btw).

And the ASC in his chartruler`s persona is EXACTLY Conjunct her Moon!

Funny also, the ASC of his chartruler`s persona is exactly conjunct the ASC of her DSC-ruler`s persona chart. I guess they were made for each other.

posted June 16, 2009 05:26 PM            

"--Your SN Neptune is cnj his Venus
--His SN Neptune is cnj your Mars"
This is just a repetition of what is already in our natals.

"--Your SN NN (going cross-eyed ) is cnj his Mars
--His SN NN is cnj your Venus"
I didn`t see that!

". Sounds like a recognition that in loving the other, you will develop (NN) as spiritual beings (Neptune)."
At least that was the plan I think, maybe in a past life.

" Add to that how you have natal Saturn cnj SN dw's, and it looks like both of your charts are saying that lesson wasn't completed. "
And that shows how we failed to accomplish our mission.

"So perhaps the goal is for both of you to let go of a sexual type of love, and instead embrace one that's platonic. ?"
I agree with you from a purely reasonable perspective.

But I actually see the SN slightly different. I donīt think the SN is what we have to forget and deny and completely leave behind.
I actually think that it is something that has become a part of us, that could help us towards our new goals.
The danger is though that we get too attached on the familiar talents or feelings and fixate on the past. And that is not what it should be. It should help us and assist us on our path towards our NN.

What we have to develop, is actually found there, in the NN. So I think it would make sense to see what is going on on our NN`s to really see what the "mission" is.

NOthin on the NN in my NN chart, but what does it mean that his natal NN is conjunct my NN Personās Lust and Eros? Isn`t that contradicting?
Having Lust on SN and NN?

On his NN in his NN chart there is nothing.
But his natal Mars, Neptune and Juno falls onto my natal NN.

posted June 16, 2009 05:37 PM            

Good, that's what I thought you meant and saw indicators for in your chart.

Neptune on the ASC - especially since it opposes Sun, Venus, and Mercury in the 7th - could indicate an ability to glamourize another person. Your Neptune is aware of the other's beauty/image and can use your Neptunian creativity to make over a person in that way.

Moon in the 6th could mean work dealing with femininity.

NN cnj Chiron in the 5th could show a healing through romantic means. By romantic, I don't mean love, I mean more Neptunian imagination. You'll be healing a person's sense of self by increasing their sense of loveliness.

Gotta look at Saturn for work, and I like how Saturn trines and sextiles your Sun(etc.) - Neptune opposition. It illustrates that you'll use hard work (Saturn cnj Mars) to unite your Neptune's vision with the other's image.

Good chart for a stylist! I think it could work for writing too. In that case, Neptune would be your imagination, Sun (et al) in the 7th would be the audience's imagination. Saturn-Mars would provide the same means of linking the two. Moon in Gemini in the 6th could show working with words in an imaginative sense.

posted June 16, 2009 07:42 PM              

Really??? OMG!!!!

With you and DD are already two confirming what i feel!

i knew i was so into these two areas...i love to see it in the persona.Seems like a fresh air entering through the windows of my dreams...HURRAY!!!

i was always balanced and worried and im very indecisive so i needed really to know others opinion.from an exterior perspective you know...im suspect in analysing my own chart.

im gonna sleep now,dreaming of this

posted November 11, 2009 08:21 AM              

so i bump for those who want to know more about Personas

They are really interesting indeed:

about the MC PERSONA:

"The midheaven (MC) of the persona-chart shows the fate of the
sub-personality. At the same time, it represents the quintessence of the path to
be taken, from the (subconscious) ascendant to the “Light of
Consciousness” at the midheaven. One cannot tell how far each person will
go, since this seems to depend on the intensity of the individual effort."

I am feeling quite good since i remembered that i had someone telling that my MC PERSONA really resonates to what i want to do ( this is what intuition says).

posted November 11, 2009 08:42 AM              

about the MC PERSONA:

Ive added some of the asteroids relating to sucess,fortune and happiness.

in a way this one shows that are interesting aspects,conecting with the other chart MC PERSONA i posted:

-Ricco (means wealth) is cj Pluto and Saturn the ruler of ASCīs(responsability)and trines the personals Sun/Vne/Merc.

- ABundantia is cj NN and Quiron:AN AIRPLANE DIVES TOWARD THE EARTH AS THOUGH FALLING.

this tells me i must take control of things,to have abundance,and so i need to know what i am really doing with the tools i have?

-Ventura is cj Venus/Sun,trine ricco and victoria.shows importance again on nurturing side of my professional choice.

- Victoria 16Leo,wide cj VX 11Leo:VOLUNTEER CHURCH CHOIR MAKES SOCIAL EVENT OF REHEARSAL.

this one makes me think about social activities,joining others.Feeling united with others?

- Adorea 4Virgo oposes Aura:A MAN BECOMING AWARE OF NATURE SPIRITS AND NORMALLY UNSEEN SPIRITUAL ENERGIES

im a creative mind and intuitive.i see beyond,and this is where it lies my joy.

- PLUTO ON MC seems important:MANKIND'S VAST ENDURING EFFORT TO REACH FOR KNOWLEDGE TRANSFERABLE FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION. KNOWLEDGE.

"Pierce through appearances to see the truth of your situation. There can be talent for bringing abstract truths into reality. Concentrating on questions of a philosophical nature. The need to get one's thoughts or beliefs out into the real world.
Look to the signs. Wisdom that transcends book knowledge.

seems interesting...my MC:THE SIGHT OF AN AUTUMN LEAF BRINGS TO A PILGRIM THE SUDDEN REVELATION OF THE MYSTERY OF LIFE AND DEATH.

MY SUN: TWO FAIRIES (NATURE SPIRITS) DANCING ON A MOONLIT NIGHT

this has to do with feminility.with being among those who are similar of myself.it has to do with creativity too.

MY venus/Ventura: A LARGE DIAMOND IN THE FIRST STAGES OF THE CUTTING PROCESS

this one is wonderful!!means Emerging perfection. Enormous beauty that is still a bit 'rough around the edges'. The ability to chop or grind away at something to get to the essential truth, potential or reality.

this one has all to do with the fashion Adviser.

my asc: AN INDIAN CHIEF CLAIMS RECOGNITION AND POWER FROM THE ASSEMBLED TRIBE

this has to do with take a stand in the crowd.to do with respect,charisma,to find a true sense of Self.

seems to me that the Sabian can really clear up some of our doubts.

posted December 06, 2009 06:17 PM            

In regards to MC Persona charts (or any type of chart, really) we could TOTALLY look at "famous" artists, musicians, actors, doctors, etc. or even specific people you know and respect. Whatever! Look at their MC Persona charts and see if we can find any patterns between others in their profession, or even amongst ourselves.

For example, this idea hit me when I was looking at the MC/Actor charts of actors that I admire. I've been comparing notes, and connecting their placements with what i know about their career.

posted December 06, 2009 06:36 PM            

his venus persona/my natal

sun cj my sun/moon mp (1)
moon opp my sun (3)
moon cj my juno (3) karma (4)
venus cj my mars (4)
venus trine my pluto (2)
mars opp my briede (0)
saturn opp my sun (0)
saturn cj my juno (1) karma (0) vertex (3)
pluto trine my venus (1) *** DW ***
NN opp my valentine (2)
Juno cj my IC (2)
briede opp my mars (2)
destinn cj my eros (3)
AC cj my valentine (2)

my venus persona/his natal
my sun cj his eros (2)
my sun opp his saturn (1) neptune (0)
my moon cj his sun (2) LOL
my venus cj his sun/moon mp (1)
my venus opp his saturn (3)
my mars opp his sun (3)
my saturn cj his venus (0)
my vertex opp his union (2)
my juno opp his destinn (2)
my briede opp his destinn (1)
my groom cj his VENUS (1)
my karma cj his NN (1)
my valentine opp his sun/moon mp (2)
my eros cj his karma (2)
my psyche cj his NN (0)
my union cj his pluto (2)
my AC opp his NN (0)

LOL

awesome, huh?!!!

posted December 06, 2009 06:44 PM            

my AC cj his n AC (2)
my sun cj his vertex (0)
my moon cj his jupiter (2)
my venus cj his vertex (3)
my mars cj his vertex (1)
my saturn cj his eros (0) and opp his saturn (2)
my NN cj his sun/moon mp EXACT lol
my vertex cj his vertex (0)
my juno cj his venus (0)
my briede cj his (my surname) (1)
my karma cj his venus (1)
my destinn opp his briede (2)
my valentine cj his groom (1) LOL
my eros opp his eros (2)
my DNA cj his venus/mars mp EXACT

posted December 06, 2009 07:20 PM            

my SN/his natal
my sun cj his saturn (1)
my moon opp his union (1) mars (2)
my venus cj his AC (1)
my saturn cj his eros (1)
my saturn opp his saturn (2)
my NN cj his karma (2)
my vertex/destinn opp his briede (0)
my DNA cj his venus (3)
my groom opp his valentine (0)
my karma opp his juno (2) venus/mars mp (0)
my AC opp his moon (1)

his SN/my natal
his venus cj my AC (0)
his saturn opp my moon/venus (0) saturn/NN (3)
his pluto trine my venus (1)
his briede cj my surname (0)

my NN/his natal
my sun opp his saturn (1)
my moon opp his briede (1) DNA (2)
my venus opp his saturn (2)
my saturn opp his venus (0)
my DNA cj his venus/mars mp (0)
my briede opp his union (0)
my groom cj his venus (2)
my karma cj his NN (1)
my AC cj his saturn (1)

his NN/my natal
his saturn cj my juno (3) karma (2) vertex (1)
his saturn opp my sun (2)
his pluto trine my venus (3)
his NN opp my valentine (2)
his groom cj my groon (3)
his karma cj my sun/moon mp (0)
his destinn opp my saturn/nn (0)
his valentine opp my mars (1)
his AC opp my groom (0)

posted December 06, 2009 09:31 PM            

Ralph Fiennes MC Persona:

Gary Oldman MC Persona:

posted December 06, 2009 09:32 PM            

Johnny Depp MC Persona:

posted December 06, 2009 09:50 PM            

The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd houses seem to be VERY important. I don't think there was one person that I posted who didn't have a planet in all of these houses. So perhaps actors focus on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd houses issues a great deal?

Also, note how prominent Pluto and Scorpio are in the charts. Pluto is the planet of transformation; all actors have Pluto aspecting the Sun.

Also, I was thinking about where the MCs are placed. Gary & Ian both have MC in Scorpio-- the roles they choose are emotionally charged. Perhaps even draining? Totally transformational and unlike themselves. Johnny has MC in Aquarius, which perhaps explains his unconventional role choices. He likes offbeat characters, and he also refuses to sacrifice his integrity for Hollywood. Ralph's MC is in Sagittarius, perhaps showing how successful he has been abroad? I'm not sure how to define this one, a bit difficult. Maybe he learns something about life with every part, or he takes roles that enlighten him and help shape his philosophies?

posted December 06, 2009 09:52 PM            

Gary Actor Persona: