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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 01:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Peri

I had a very interesting year 2004/2005.

I left my husband, met another man, got pregnant and ended up living in fear in my own house as my husband moved back in!! This all happened right up to my 2005 birthday!

Here is the chart in case its interesting to you.


It is interesting that i had karma/juno on my SR AC and sun on SR DC!!

This year, 2009 i am having the biggest life change again and i have N karma/juno on my MC and N sun on my IC and SR NN on my N AC!! haha

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Peri
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posted June 15, 2009 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for posting your chart, Lara! it would be more interesting though if I 'read' it right and you then confirmed it without telling me everything beforehand but thanks nonetheless

now let's see:

Sun,NN in the s/n 7th, MCR Sun on DSC - relationships are highlighted this year - I would say that you might have gotten married not divorced! it is amazing how similar divorces and marriges look in solar charts! although if you look at 7HR Venus which is conj Mars in the 8th opposite Pluto, I would still say: you got married after having had an extremely passionate, maybe somewhat off and on affair! at the same time asteroids Karma/Juno opposite Sun suggest 'it was not mean to be';
Juno conj Chiron in the s3rd on n12th seems very literal >> your husband (Juno) that caused you lots of pain (Chiron) was still around (3rd house and not 4th cozz he was not part of your home, family anymore!) which made you scared or depressed (12th house)
Jupiter (was another guy a Sag or maybe a foreigner or was he of higher social status than you?) conj Vertex in the natal 7th suggests you met a man that would play a significant role in your life but how can we really tell that there were two different men, not the same one? Jupiter on Vertex 10/7 might have signified your boss too, Jupiter being n10HR and s2HR!
Neptune on IC >> you did not feel secure and grounded ... Saturn conj Moon >>> feeling down and unsure, Uranus in the 4th >> changes in your home, family ... overall, the chart sends a clear message about what happened that year if only I could hear it with the same clarity! lol

that's a very interesting chart!

p.s. was there any disappointment connected with your job?

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 03:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Peri

I had no job. The man who was of a higher social status than me is the father of my youngest child (who is now 3). I have known him longer than my husband yet i had a fling with him 4 months after leaving my husband.

I got pregnant within a week of the affair, even though contraception was used!! Fated huh? He is probably the closest l will ever come to a twin soul. The only reason we didn't get married is because i found out he is a prolific womanizer and was dating 2 other women when with me. So l left him when i was 6 months pregnant.

Interestingly, that year was full of court cases that then spilled over into and intensified in my 2005 SR. In fact my 2005 birth year was even worse than this one!! I think 2005 was the worst year of my life for so so so many reasons

I am having another intense SR year now, although i won't tell you this time what is happening. Sorry to tell you with the last one! This one is similar in chart to the 2004/5 one don't you think?

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posted June 15, 2009 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh I now see! Uranus 4HR in the 5th + Neptune 5HR conj IC! >> >> unexpected pregnancy + disapoinment with your lover, also the end of a relationship! 4th house rules endings, it is so obvious now did you give birth that same year or the next year?

fetus is represented by the 4th house, a born child is by the 5th

thanks for posting another chart, I will look at it tomorrow!

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 04:03 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My child was born in the 2005 SR - next one!

If you would like me to post that year i will. Worst year ever it was. I found out l was pregnant just before my 2005 SR!!

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posted June 15, 2009 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Izo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry guys, I've been swamped. I hope to get back to you soon, but it might be a good idea to continue without me because I don't know when I'll be done. Happy SR interpreting!

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Peri
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posted June 15, 2009 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aw sorry to hear about that come back soon Izo!

sure Lara, post it!

p.s. Izo, when you are back please give me some feedback about my interp of your 2nd chart.

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 04:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SR 2005


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DD
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posted June 15, 2009 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri,


"Wow DD you have sASC on nPluto in the 10 and Pluto/Sun on Sun/Merc! I get the feeling that you got married, gave birth to a baby and moved house that year, I may be off though.
Marriage >> sASC in the n 10 conj nPluto, Mars n7HR and Merc s7HR in the s1st, Mars on NN, Pluto is on nSun, sDSC on the n4th >> living with your partner

Child >> Venus on IC, s5HR Uranus in the 5th, 5Hcusp on natal Moon, s8th on n5th house, "

Your astrological interpretations are great, yet I did not marry, nor moved house nor had a child.

It was actually the year I was coincidentally bumping into that musical actor; I am sure you know the story, as I have told it so often.

See the Neptune on my Moon? Jup, that`s him.
Musical-guy has a Pisces ASC and hsi SN is exactly on my Moon, so the timing probably was good.

It did have a transforming effect on me, as it helped me to kind of "finish" an emotional phase, which was important to do. Pluto on my Sun and Mercury.

It also was the year in which I started coming to LL more often and more intensely, so in a way I actually moved house, just on an internal level.

Oh and it was also the year when I started to consider (and actually doing) some trips again, after i haven`t been on holidays for at least 5 years (and didn`t miss it).

So there were some changes, but they were mostly internally.

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posted June 15, 2009 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow and that was it?? with Pluto DW I would expect something really life-changing! but then again, it's a matter of perspective so for you it might have felt so!

now I think any solar chart must be confirmed by solar arcs or progressions because no matter how 'eventful' your solar chart may look you can't do an accurate reading without taking into account other methods of prediction; to tell the truth I was sure solar charts showed 'events' and progressions were more about internal changes but now I am not sure

added* there is something I seriously don't see about that solar chart .. hmm ... maybe I should first pay more attention to a natal chart and its potential before looking at the solar?

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 05:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri, am i right in thinking that if one has say

sr NN conjunct n AC and also pr NN conjunct n AC - both exact, then the aspect is doubly potent?

seems like the person's character is about to transform or finally switch into life's destiny or something. I have this this year in my SR and in my progressed chart at moment.

I also don't get why DD didn't have a really significant SR. Those aspects look pretty amazing!

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posted June 15, 2009 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes of course DW is always more potent than one apect, from my own experience I can say nodes in the solar chart show what is meant =NN or not meant to be=SN or what should be strived for =NN or should be left alone to let it fall into place =SN but as you know my experience with solar charts is very limited so I may be off here

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 05:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, can one look at one's SR chart in relation to one's partners natal? Does it work?

ie my SR NN conjunct my partners natal NN?

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DD
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posted June 15, 2009 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri, Lara,

the thing that you don´t understand (and it is not meant as an offense, as it IS hard to understand) is that it was.
In so many ways, on so many layers it WAS life changing.

Also Pluto natally rules my 12t house, so that is maybe why it was more internally.


Oh Solar arcs:

sMars square natal Pluto
sMars just 2,5 degree of my natal Venus (separating)
sUranus conjunct natal Mars
sJuno conjunct natal Chiron
sAmor conjunct natal Venus
sVenus exactly trine natal Pluto


Progressions:

pMercury conjunct pVenus conjunct p Antivertex conjunct natal Moon (and his natal SN)

pJupiter exactly conjunct natál Juno

pKarma conjunct natal Kaali and SN

pEros exactly conjunct natal Destinn

pDestinn exactly conjunct natal Saturn and exactly trine natal Juno

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Peri
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posted June 15, 2009 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara, I dont think so, at least I never do this.

DD, you are right, I did not understand because I took a one-sided view, my own! sooo, does this mean I need to know the person I am doing a reading for a lot better to know what is really important for them? the each their own so, yes, I can see that

now I am curious to have a look at your solar chart for the year when you gave birth to your son (I think you posted somewhere that you have a child) if you dont mind

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posted June 15, 2009 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I think solar arcs and secondary progressions are just psychological, and then when they get triggered by transits, then they involve events.

I also believe that soft aspect transits are psychological and hard aspect atransts are events. That's the same view as cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers. I think that they have that view because of their use of midpoints, and only hard aspects are used with midpoints.


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posted June 15, 2009 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri,

no I don´t have a child. So I am sorry, you can`t see the SR for this.

Any other year you are interested in?


Oh and at that day there were actually triggering transits.

Transit Neptune on my pr Mercury / Venus / Antivertex, natal Moon and his SN and natal Pholus.

Transit Pluto on my pr Mars and opposing his Pr Venus

Transit Mars was opposing my natal Venus I think

And transit SAturn / SN was on his natal Pluto and squaring my natal ASC and also opposping my natal Pholus.

Transit Pholus also conjunct my Mars.

Transit Uranus conjunct my natal Juno (and his Amor).

It was sure an interesting evening.

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 06:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, have you ever looked at SR in aspect to the other's progressed chart and natal chart at the time of a first meeting?
It's WOW!!

check these out.

My SR moon square his N DC (1)
My SR moon opposes his N karma (1)
My SR venus opposes his N moon exact
My SR Pluto opposes his n karma (1)
My SR NN conjunct his N NN exact
My SR NN conjunct his N sun (1)
My SR vertex opposes his 5th house cusp (0)
My SR AC conjunct his N moon (1)
My SR NN conjunct his progressed venus exact
My SR NN conjunct his progressed NN (1)
My SR vertex opposes his progressed IC (0)

His SR moon conjunct my progressed sun exact
His SR vertex opposes my progressed mars exact
His SR juno opposes my progressed mars exact

Quite interesting i'd say!

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posted June 15, 2009 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops, I must have confused you with someone

I am interested in any year that was important for you.

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DD
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posted June 15, 2009 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem Peri.


Lara,

I actually compared the SR to the natal of another person (and also did it with the Venus Return) and it was surely interesting.
SR to progressed and transits also makes sense of course.

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Lara
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posted June 15, 2009 06:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree.. definitely interesting!

Peri, i can find you another year that was absolute crap for me, if you run out of SR's to analyse. I have quite a few of them, sadly
Let me know.

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posted June 15, 2009 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was my SR for 2005, and luckily it was a better year than Lara`s. Maybe not so lifechanging, but still significant, internally and externally.

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posted June 16, 2009 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ok, I want to start with your chart DD because I saw solar Saturn in the 4th with solar IC on natal Saturn and I saw the very same placements in someone else's solar chart and that year they bought a house >>> please tell me you bought or inherited a house!

solar ASC in the natal 5th + solar Venus on natal Mars + solar Mars also nearby, all that being in solar 7th! did you fall in love? interesting that these planets fall into natal 12th so was there any mystery about it or you kept your feelings in secret? sMerc on Neptune and ASC + sNeptune/11th conj nMoon/2nd >> might suggest a boost of creativity ... sMoon/12th on nJupiter/3rd + Uranus in the 11th >> did you meet someone new that proved to be a good friend and helped you out in a difficult situation?

I also see this Jupiter/s6-n10 >> was there any kind of promotion at work ... maybe not the one you hoped for though? >> opposition to nChiron + sChiron in the 10th opp Saturn

that's about all, I can say about this chart

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posted June 16, 2009 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*bowing down to Peri, the master of solar return*

That was brilliant!

"I saw solar Saturn in the 4th with solar IC on natal Saturn and I saw the very same placements in someone else's solar chart and that year they bought a house >>> please tell me you bought or inherited a house!"
No, I didn`t buy a house, BUT I moved into my new appartment, funnily in the same city I have been born in (never lived here though)

"solar ASC in the natal 5th + solar Venus on natal Mars + solar Mars also nearby, all that being in solar 7th! did you fall in love? interesting that these planets fall into natal 12th so was there any mystery about it or you kept your feelings in secret?"
Ah, love
Maybe a too big word for it.
But it was actually the year I started to pay attention to a certain Mr Law.
Funny though, my Solar Venus and Solar Mars are conjunct his natal Mars, like a frame.
And now the 12th house makes sense, doesn`t it?
Dreams, fantasies, film.....

" sMerc on Neptune and ASC + sNeptune/11th conj nMoon/2nd >> might suggest a boost of creativity"
Yes, I wrote a small fragment of a story, which actually is a good example for that Eros-Neptune-theme. lol
Also started dreaming vividly again.


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posted June 16, 2009 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" ... sMoon/12th on nJupiter/3rd + Uranus in the 11th >> did you meet someone new that proved to be a good friend and helped you out in a difficult situation?"
Some of my colleagues were really nice to me, does that count?


"I also see this Jupiter/s6-n10 >> was there any kind of promotion at work ... "
LOL You`re too good.
In the beginning of the year I had my final final exams, and became a "real" teacher. In may I got that job at the school, I am still teaching at (hence the need to move).


"maybe not the one you hoped for though? >> opposition to nChiron + sChiron in the 10th opp Saturn"
Even though I like it here, it sometimes is a bit difficult to deal with my boss. He is very authoritan, overemotional, irrational at times and can be choleric and unfair, if he is in the mood.
I have been warned frequently about him, but the worst part really is the talk about him by my colleagues.
He is some "character", but personally I got along with him well so far. Maybe because I manage to respect his authority and also perceive and respect how much responsibility he has to carry and that someone has to make the decisions, even if they are not liked by all.
But sometimes his "style" is difficult and a bit frustrating for my Sagittarius-ideals.
He is Taurus btw, and he is the headmaster of a school with a mass of SAgittarians, Arians and Aquarians. Picture that! Our meetings are much longer than at other schools, because noone will stop talking. LOL

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