posted June 23, 2009 01:27 AM            

But I was having just a quick glance.

Personally I must say, I can`t confirm the theory on Valentine / NN; it may be a very good one, but you can`t draw the conclusion two people are soulmates just from one aspect alone.

Also, I have found Valentine / NN (even as a DW conjunction) in synastries where no relationship took place (of course maybe there could have, who knows?), and I remember that someone had that in a very destructive relationship.
It`s not a guaranteed "happily ever after", even though I also think that strong Valentine aspects will contribute to a feeling of affinity, deep affection and being easily ready to forgive for mistakes.

But you also have to see what else is there.
Let`s say there are wonderful Valentine-aspects, yet at the same time there are Nessus-squares and Pluto-squares.
And let`s say that one person contributes all the Valentine-aspects and the other one contributes Nessus and Pluto.

I think this could actually lead to a potentially dangerous situation; a disastrous relationship, in which one person dominates the other, maybe even abuses her, and yet the other person still feels the need to forgive him and stays in that relationship, because they feel so much affection.

posted June 23, 2009 09:32 AM            

"but when the valentine/NN is also linked to pluto/persephone/proserpina and personal planets it does count i believe."
A B S O L U T E L Y

As a matter of fact I think that multiple aspect configurations are always dominant and overpower single aspects; they are also more rare and unique than single aspects.

I think we maybe should slowly quit focusing so much on one or two isolated aspects but start seeing the whole aspect pattern.

For example:
My friend and her true love have an exact Valentine-Pluto-conjunction, which is superb in itself, but actually it is:

[her PLUTO on 11.3 Virgo conjunct his VALENTINE on 11.2 Virgo] trine [her PERSEPHONE on 9.2 Taurus conjunct his MARS on 8.0 Taurus]

Add to that the Sabian of 12 Virgo AFTER THE WEDDING THE GROOM SNATCHES THE VEIL AWAY FROM HIS BRIDE

and you get a much clearer and impressive picture than if you just considered Valentine-Pluto alone.

Or in my case I have several planets on 16 and 17 degree
Moon: 17 Aquarius
Karma: 16 Gemini
Saturn: 16 Cancer
Juno: 16 Pisces
(London, Moira, Siva are all on 14 Scorpio; Eurydike is on 15 Scorpio and Lancelot on 16 Scorpio, there are no coincidences, I guess)
my name: 16 Taurus

So, if someone had planets on 16 or 17 degree, he most probably would trigger all that; of course it means he would also trigger that Karma-Juno-square I have natally.

And surprisingly (or not so surprisingly), my longest musical crush has also several planets / asteroids on 16 degree:

His Sun on 16 Aries
His NN on 16 Leo
His Lust on 16 Gemini
His Amor on 16 Pisces
his name on 16 Scorpio
his Moira on 18 Aquarius

Of course I could easily pick this nice Amor-Juno-conjunction in Pisces and think this is such an affectionate and loving constellation (which it probably is), but if I focus on this alone, I would miss that
his Lust (and my Karma) are square this, and that on the other hand my Saturn squares his Sun, and that our Moira`s (fate) are squareing each other and that my Moon is on his SN.

BTW The Sabians for the exact degree conjunctions are:

my Karma, his Lust:
THE HEAD OF A ROBUST YOUTH CHANGES IN THAT OF A MATURE THINKER

My Juno, his Amor:
AN EASTER PARADE

These Sabians give a completely different athmosphere than in the first example, donīt they? Even though I still am not sure what exactly they mean. lol

posted June 23, 2009 10:08 AM            

Look at Paul Newman`s synastry for example:

Paul Newman:
Mercury: 13 Capricorn
Venus: 14 Capricorn
ASC: 13 Capricorn

Proserpina: 14 Taurus

Saturn: 13 Scorpio

Pluto: 12 Cancer

Joanne Woodward:

ASC: 11 Capricorn

Venus: 13 Pisces

Proserpina: 11 Cancer

Mercury: 14 Aquarius

Or another example:

Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning:

Robert:

Sun: 17 Taurus
Valentine: 18 Taurus
Proserpina: 19 Taurus

Pluto: 19 Pisces
Persephone: 19 Pisces

Elizabeth:

Juno: 20 Virgo

Amor: 20 Taurus

AS you can see those are very harmonious "heaps".

Funny though, I randomly picked two men, who had a Pluto-Proserpina / Persephone aspect natally. lol

On a more serious note:
I think those "heaps" definitely will overpower any isolated aspect, as horrible or beautiful it may be.

Also one thing to consider is, that these configurations will be triggered simultaneously by transits, and therefor will probably be very much in the centre of the relationship, unless there is just no transiting or progressing planet; in that case they may stay dormant, but boy if they wake up, they are really alert.

posted June 23, 2009 01:07 PM            

Going back to that valentine/NN DW. this is the full extent of it that (i believe) made IQ say what he did! I hope i'm not misquoting him now

my valentine 21' cancer
my moon 19' aries
my venus 21' aries
my mars 21' taurus
my saturn 18' aries
my pluto 20' virgo
my NN 18' aries
my psyche 17' scorpio
my union 22' taurus
my persephone 17' taurus

his moon 24' libra
his NN 23' aquarius
his vertex 23' sagittarius
his valentine 20' aquarius
his eros 23' pisces
his union 23' sagittarius

the draco had my valentine conjunct his juno and square his sun/NN
his valentine conjunct my moon/venus/saturn/NN/ and square my destinn (0)
plus all the trine/sextile aspects...
his n valentine opposes my dr vertex (0)
my n valentine opposes his dr mars (0)

posted June 23, 2009 02:28 PM            

Also that DWs are rarer, so that they can be meaningful, specially if there are a lot of them between two person's chart (and specially if they are tight ones!).
And I've found a few times in some charts that there are DWs that are, for example, person A's Sun aspect B's <asteroid>, and person B's Moon aspect A's <asteroid>.

In my case, I've found out, for example, that me and my bf have:

- his Boda trine my Sun (0);
- my Boda trine his Moon (1);

- his Groom conjunct my Sun (2);
- my Briede conjunct his Moon (4);

- his Union conjunct my Groom/AC (1/0);
- my Union conjunct his Briede (0);

(we have opposed ACs)

- his dBoda trine my dBriede (3);
- my dBoda trine his dGroom (2);

posted June 23, 2009 02:39 PM            

I will look at my ex's and see for you

oh btw, talking about midpoints - gun mans AC is exact square my venus/mars midpoint (which is also exact conjunct my sun) and my uranus (AC ruler) is exact square his sun/moon and (1) venus/mars midpoint.

posted June 23, 2009 02:47 PM            

My ex husband had his SUN @22' aries, psyche @20' scorpio, AMOR @19' aries, PROSERPINA @19'taurus.

Gosh, i like having my 21' MARS in Taurus hit, don't i? :O

2 other ex men had:
VENUS @20' capricorn, SATURN @19' aries, EROS @21' taurus, AMOR @19' pisces

WOW, what is it with me and my MARS?!?!
OH, i have mars conjunct UNION! (1) lol

posted June 23, 2009 03:51 PM            

Yes, it seems to confirm that we react to certain patterns.

Oh btw I forgot Proserpina is on 21 Sagittarius in my chart. How could I forget Proserpina?

It`s a funny thing, even Jude fits in here, too, as hsi Mercury-Karma conjunction is on 20 Sagittarius, and his Eros is on 20 Pisces.

But in my chart (as in every chart I guess) there are several "spots".

5° - 10°: including Mars, ASC, NN, Neptune in Sag, Venus on 6 Cap, Pluto on 9 Libra etc.

the 16° - 17° I already mentioned

the 21° spot I also mentioned

posted June 23, 2009 04:11 PM            

You do have several patterns...

I kinda share a couple.
4-6' sun, eros, mercury, juno, karma. AC
25' jupiter, uranus, neptune, proserpina, amor

Fascinating

posted June 23, 2009 05:31 PM            

your venus trine my moon.
your dr moon/karma trine my eros.
your dr juno trine my n karma/juno.

posted June 24, 2009 01:04 AM            

I just looked at my composite with my Twin/Other half....

We have composite Boda conjunct our composite ascendent to the second

posted June 24, 2009 01:35 PM            

Actually, I wonder if Union might not necessarily point to romantic union, as it might also point to other kinds of union (friendships, business partnerships, etc.). Yet depending on how other stuffs are in the synastry, it can show our preferences of union with someone. But I'm not sure, coz I'd have to check some synastry cases to see if it's valid. Maybe iQ or DD knows about this better, since they've worked with many synastry cases. X3

posted June 24, 2009 01:44 PM            

For example, A's Union conjuncts B's 3rd house Jupiter=A wants to go an a great, chatty adventure with B...A's Union conjuncts B's 4th house Vesta=A wants to live with B...A's Union conjuncts B's Eros=A wants to have sex with B (or, in a different kind of relationship, A is inspired creatively/"woken up" by B)....

posted June 24, 2009 02:45 PM            

my BRIEDE 2' cancer
his KARMA 2' cancer
my FORTUNA 5' cancer
his draco JUNO 5' cancer
my KARMA/JUNO 5' scorpio
his draco PLUTO 5' scorpio
my GROOM 1' pisces
my draco DNA 1' pisces

and they link to these too:
his PERSEPHONE 2' capricorn
his DESTINN 3' virgo
my SUN 5' taurus
his draco ANGEL 5' taurus
my draco UNION 5' taurus

hmmm

posted August 11, 2012 04:42 PM            

Blind writer told me about Boda the other day, when she suggested I might want to look into it regarding a client who was asking about marriage. I'd never even heard of the thing. -sheepish-

I did notice that it fit in with that my prog'd Moon was conjunct my natal Boda when I married.

... I also noticed it was really close to being exactly on my twin's Sun-Neptune, and thus, on his Sun.

Then I noticed his is, of course, on my Sun.

And we have DW Boda-Sun parallels.

AND, it's EXACTLY conjunct our c-Moon, as part of the 'Holy Freaking God That's a Lot of Scorpio' stellium.

Which can only bring me to say: WTF? Seriously. WTF? W. T. F. Did I marry THIS man? No. WOULD I marry this man? NO. Do I have any regrets to marrying my husband? NO.

Can I just go on through life without my twin?

... No.

-headdesk-

Boda. Sheesh.