posted July 03, 2009 02:50 PM            

Thank you very much for your endeavors for interpreting the natal chart and the transit chart etc for the late Michael.

I recall once you asked me whether I was using a different house system from yours. I checked, Geo, I'm not sure. On my Astro.com page, it says "default", with other options, one of which is "Placidus". But I thought I had been using Placidus all along? Or maybe not?

Your interpretations are quite advanced for me. Still, not too hard to comprehend. I just realize that you might tend to use one of the other house systems that I haven't tried.

Well, I'd say that for the past couple of years, Michael had been through arguably his worst time. With transiting Neptune lingering in his natal 10th, where Neptune is in its fall- that's just plain bad news. Like you said, Neptune rules all kinds of drugs. And poisons. Transiting Neptune in his 10th, which eventually opposition his chart ruler, Mercury in Leo in the 4th- very bad. Drug abuse, various troubles in his private life being pried by the press, numerous ailments and illnesses, plus what common folks call "nervous breakdowns"- you were right to point out Michael's Gemini rising ruling nervous system, fingers, making him high-strung, anxious, insomniac. That was literally hell he had been going through in his final two or three years. Also, like you pointed out, transiting Uranus had also been lingering in his 10th, at some point conj his natal Full Moon in Pisces- emotional and mental turmoil.

Yeah, I had heard of the news about Michael's likely lung transplant- terrible. Just terrible.

Transiting Jupiter in Aquarius had also been in his 10th, and if you count Chiron in, it had also been in Aquarius, in his 10th. Jupiter is in fall in the 10th; Neptune is also in fall in the 10th. Unless I get it wrong, transiting Neptune, Jupiter, Chiron and Uranus had all been in his 10th- bringing out some of the worst qualities of the negative sides of Neptune, Jupiter and Chiron- if I'm right, the four of these all at some point opposition Michael's natal chart ruler, Mercury in Leo in the 4th conj IC (his IC is severely afflicted), also his Pluto in Virgo in the 4th, and Sun in Virgo in the 4th (I might be wrong. If I'm wrong, I'd appreciate it if you could kindly correct me). To be honest with you, I just am unable to see exactly what is so wrong with Michael's natal chart. I've been trying to look at his chart and see all that's hidden, but also displayed, in his birth chart. His Full Moon in Pisces brought him a load of trouble- especially when it is in his 10th, where Moon is in its detriment. A highlighted private life, at the mercy of the eye of the public and the press...career and ambitions caused the sacrifice of a wholesome home life, balancing of his emotional needs, emotional expressions, outlook on his lost childhood, leading to his all sorts of eccentric behaviors...also badly affecting his diet. In my view, Michael apparently suffered some kind of eating disorder- all I know for the moment is that he did not eat enough in the final months before his death, at least. I'd truly like to figure out why exactly Michael seemed to want to starve himself, or did he just lost much of his appetite? There are various sources with different claims on his diet- some say he was on a strict vegetarian diet, while others say he was not a vegetarian. All kinds of stories and interviews bombard us (me, at least) from renowned media as well as tabloids, overwhelming us like a hundred rockets all launching at the same time. I don't know what to believe any more. I figure I'd just skip all those online articles. They are very, very confusing. I don't even think the International Vegetarian Union's website is a reliable source any longer. I just had a look at his webpage on IVU, and I'm not certain if what's been written was reliable in any way. Why did he literally stop eating? It's all about eating patterns and psychology. Michael had been so unhappy and he just gave up on himself in a way...that force, that passion, were gone. This is becoming surreal to me. More and more surreal to me. Absolutely surreal, and I feel like going insane. Not quite, but I feel so.

I must discipline myself, beware of making more negative impressions on MJ haters. The last thing Michael needs now is more MJ haters. As a fan, I feel responsible for his image. The past few days I just wrecked my own LL image plus Michael's image.

We as fans should be vigilant.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

~William Blake

- At best, they take your good intentions for granted;

posted July 03, 2009 08:05 PM            

If verified, that's certainly interesting, to say the least.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 03, 2009 08:09 PM            

I have been trying to see through all the secrets in his chart, but I can't believe it- I must admit that his seemingly simple chart is in fact arguably the most difficult to decipher for me to date!

Geocosmic*Valentine,

Any more insight? I look forward to hearing from you.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 03, 2009 11:40 PM            

August 29, 1958
Gary, Indiana
11:53 PM

To see the chart you can look on my thread because it takes too long for me to use Photobucket and post it again. It's listed twice in the very first post. Don't be alarmed that the first one is Solar Arc chart, the middle is still the regular natal chart. The second chart is the same, only the transits for that day are around the zodiac in green:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000080.html

One thing that I love about his chart is his Mercury Retrograde. Michael Jackson was very Mercurial, just like the mythological character Mercury. The God Mercury is often portrayed with wings on his feet and a hat similar to the fedora hats the Michael wore ever since he first performed the Moonwalk on the Motown 25 Celebration show. Michael's beaded socks remind me of the wings on Mercury's feet. So when he Moonwalks, he is the perfect image of Mercury Retrograde, Mercury walking backwards.

The night he first Moonwalked he was wearing an outfit that consisted of a silver sequined shirt, with a black sequined jacket over it. And as me danced and sang under the lights he looked like the chemical Mercury which is a dark silver in color. The way Mercury moves around when you put it on a flat surface, it rolls around and is very slippery, kind of like Michael Moonwalking, looking as if he is sliding backwards even as he moves forward.

As for one of his secrets, which might not be a secret at all, it may help people begin to understand the QUINDECILE aspect. His Pluto is exactly 165 degrees away from his Moon. 165=QUINDECILE.

The Quindecile is supposed to be an aspect that is obsessive in nature, but in this example, it may not be easy to feel because the planet Pluto is already obsessive in nature. The Moon rules the mother, women and children. Most fans of Michael know that he lived home with his mother for years longer than is normal. He was very influenced by her spiritually as well, but this aspect also suggests his obsession with children. It could suggest a very innocent obsession with children (Pluto in Virgo - and Virgo being a virginal type energy) or it could also be interpreted as Pluto's sexual energy affecting children. However, there is really NO WAY TO TELL how he used that energy with children. My favorite way that he used that energy was by creating "Neverland" with it. The Moon in Pisces suggests the reigning need to work with the intangible, with the invisible, your imagination. Pluto is like a nuclear bomb on his Moon, like a magnifying glass and Saturn squaring his Moon helps his to solidify what he imagines, it adds form to his visualization. He created "Neverland" for the children and his own inner child.

It also suggests his massive wealth from very early on in his life working as a child. Once again, the Moon representing childhood (his childhood) and the Moon rules his 2nd House of personal finances. Pluto rules his 6th House of the workplace. He was no different than children who are forced to do child labor.

Let's talk about Saturn conjunct his Descendant, the 7th House cusp. The 7th House represents partners, but it also represents publicity. Some of the Saturn suggestions are leadership, loneliness, SKIN!, the father. But I want to talk about his skin and his adopting military style uniforms as a major part of his costumes in the mid to late 80's. He presented himself as a leader, as a King. There are other places in his chart that suggest his presentation as royalty, but that's one of them. I usually don't use the QUINCUNX as part of my consultation practice, but here it can't be ignored. Saturn is quincunx Mars. Mars-Saturn aspects are highly suggestive of the military, law enforcement, and here it is one of the echoes of his father's brutality toward him. He re-arranges this energy in his life and shows himself publically as a military leader.

I've been watching many video clips and documentaries of him in the last few days and one thing that keeps coming up is that when he was a child people used to call him "a 42 year old midget." Saturn rules age and maturity and at a very young age, he performed with the professionalism and expressions of an adult performer. Once again, this is all under the guise of Saturn conjunct the Descendant and viewing the 7th House as a house of publicity.

And we could write a book about his skin. In his book "Moonwalk" he talks about his problems with Sebaceous Acne. He also talks about it in a few interviews as well. There is photographic proof that he did have very bad pimples as a teenager and he claimed that his father would call him ugly and he was extremely sensitive about the subject. He later claimed to have the real skin disease "Vitiligo" and that it was responsible for the change in the color of his skin. It started on his hand (Mercury) which is why he began wearing the single white glove as a gimmick, but it's purpose was to hide the disappearing pigment on his hand.

Whether one believes it or not, the fact his one of the things that Michael became known for was the changing color of his skin and our skin is already our most public organ. But he got so much publicity for it as more of a political issue. Was he ashamed of his skin color? Was he bleaching his skin? And even if he was using make-up to cover the unsightliness of the disease, did he have to use make-up that made him look caucasian? The answer is no. The special make up developed for people with Vitiligo comes in every shade of human color to match your natural color. He made the conscious choice to be lighter than he was and it was a major point of discussion for the public.

That's all I can do for right now, I'm falling asleep.

posted July 04, 2009 08:47 AM            

Thanks for the interpretation, very informative indeed, and I loved the Mercury stuff

You have a good way of explaining, unlike others on this thread who type 80 pages of self praise about themselves and their own issues: ( I belong to this school and church, I am new age, I did this, I am that, my tropical BS is in this n that) when in reality they are nothing.

So thanks!

posted July 04, 2009 09:41 AM            

I dont find that particular article a reliable source, to say the least- for goodness' sake- it's from The Sun! And gosh, they referred to him as "Jacko"

Sorry, but I'd rather not read ANYTHING from The Sun, The Daily Mail, or The Daily Mirror!

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 04, 2009 09:44 AM            

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 04, 2009 09:46 AM            

I have seen the chart you posted on your Know Two...thread. Just clarifying myself here. I have seen that. I didn't mean to ask you to take the trouble to post the chart here again

Thank you.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 04, 2009 10:51 AM            

Very loving interpretations.

D

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Every night and every morn,
Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

posted July 06, 2009 08:43 PM            

it's just doing my nut!
Full moon
solar eclipse in capricorn
thriller
mj buried

maybe he'll resurrect in 3 days time... Was this all planned this way? Will he wear that red thriller jacket when they lay him to rest...

Muuaaahhhhh

posted July 07, 2009 07:00 PM            

Michael Jackson has reportedly become a Muslim and changed his name to Mikaeel.

By Graham Tibbetts
Last Updated: 10:33AM GMT 21 Nov 2008

Michael Jackson wore an abaya, a traditional Arab women's veil, in Bahrain Photo: REUTERS
The singer, who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, converted to Islam in a ceremony at a friend's house in Los Angeles.

He is said to have sat on the floor and worn a small hat while an imam officiated.

According to The Sun, the ceremony took place while Jackson, 50, was recording an album at the home of Steve Porcaro, a keyboard player who composed music on his Thriller album.

The former Jackson 5 star was counselled by David Wharnsby, a Canadian songwriter, and Phillip Bubal, a producer, who have both converted.

A source said Jackson had appeared a "bit down" and added: "They began talking to him about their beliefs, and how they thought they had become better people after they converted. Michael soon began warming to the idea.

"An imam was summoned from the mosque and Michael went through the shahada, which is the Muslim declaration of belief."

Last year his brother, Jermaine Friday, suggested Jackson would convert having taken an interest in Islam since Friday's conversion in 1989.

"When I came back from Mecca I got him a lot of books and he asked me lots of things about my religion and I told him that it's peaceful and beautiful," said Friday.

"He read everything and he was proud of me that I found something that would give me inner strength and peace.

"I think it is most probable that Michael will convert to Islam.

"He could do so much, just like I am trying to do. Michael and I and the word of God, we could do so much."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3494296/Michael-Jackson-converts-to-Islam-and-changes-name-to-Mikaeel.html

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted June 24, 2011 05:55 PM            

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One thing that I love about his chart is his Mercury Retrograde. Michael Jackson was very Mercurial, just like the mythological character Mercury. The God Mercury is often portrayed with wings on his feet and a hat similar to the fedora hats the Michael wore ever since he first performed the Moonwalk on the Motown 25 Celebration show. Michael's beaded socks remind me of the wings on Mercury's feet. So when he Moonwalks, he is the perfect image of Mercury Retrograde, Mercury walking backwards.

The night he first Moonwalked he was wearing an outfit that consisted of a silver sequined shirt, with a black sequined jacket over it. And as me danced and sang under the lights he looked like the chemical Mercury which is a dark silver in color. The way Mercury moves around when you put it on a flat surface, it rolls around and is very slippery, kind of like Michael Moonwalking, looking as if he is sliding backwards even as he moves forward.[/B]

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posted June 24, 2011 06:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Lara:

it's just doing my nut!
Full moon
solar eclipse in capricorn
thriller
mj buried

maybe he'll resurrect in 3 days time... Was this all planned this way? Will he wear that red thriller jacket when they lay him to rest...

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