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Lara
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posted June 26, 2009 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Mama Mia
Hope things are good with you and the aqua guy X


Orange - do you feel like your childhood has just been pulled from under your feet? I totally have been feeling like this since i heard last night and started this thread. Strange, dis-orientating feeling

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posted June 26, 2009 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hey Lara, I don't really feel that. I never met him, during a concert or otherwise. I watched his videos on MTV, i sang and danced on his songs, I get goose bumps when i hear his music and i will continue to do so, dead or alive, his music is going on.
I, however, deeply regret that the scandal he was swirlled in and his death resulting from it, deprived me from enjoying more MJ songs which he could have wrote, more performances he could have performed, more of his talent. Its the end of it now. He's gone forever. And I miss him terribly.

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posted June 26, 2009 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannequin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i miss him so much. i'm devastated. it's not just an ordinary celebrity death. he is beyond that. just a legend in every sense of the word. i bought his Number Ones album today, and the store was playing his music. i can't believe he's gone. he's just such a big part of my love for music and dancing and performing.

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posted June 26, 2009 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aww, i just read this statement made by Lisa Marie Presley, its very touching:

http://wonderwall.msn.com/music/lisa-marie-presley--michae l-jackson-talked-about-dying-young-1517195.story?GT1=28135

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posted June 26, 2009 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Russia’s FSB Reports Pop Icon Michael Jackson Assassinated By CIA

FSB sources are reporting to President Medvedev today that American pop icon Michael Jackson was “most assuredly” assassinated by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) after an examination of data transmitted by a Russian Military’s Kosmos 2450 satellite show “conclusively” that immediately prior to the music stars death in Los Angeles an electromagnetic pulse consistent in pattern to EMR weapons looted from the former Soviet Union by the United States was employed at the “exact coordinates” of the rock stars home.

To the type of technology being perfected by the US Military-Industrial Complex based upon former Soviet Union research used in these kinds of assassinations we can read about as reported by Cheryl Welsh, president, Citizens Against Human Rights Abuse, in her landmark 2001 report “Electromagnetic Radiation (EMR) Weapons: As Powerful As The Atomic Bomb”, and which says:

“A newly declassified U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report says- extensive Soviet research into microwaves might lead to methods of causing disoriented human behavior, nerve disorders or even heart attacks.... A copy of the study was provided by the agency to The Associated Press in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act. The Pentagon agency refused to release some portions of the study, saying they remain classified on national security grounds.”

Even more importantly, since Ms Welsh’s landmark report in 2001, the US has continued perfecting this insidious technology they’ve named Active Denial System (ADS), and as we can read as reported by New Scientist in their 2005 report titled “US Military seeks new non-lethal weapon; the prototype of the phaser?”, and which says:

“The US military is funding development of a weapon that delivers a bout of excruciating pain from up to 2 kilometres away. Intended for use against rioters, it is meant to leave victims unharmed. But pain researchers are furious that work aimed at controlling pain has been used to develop a weapon. And they fear that the technology will be used for torture.”

To the ‘final’ employment of these weapons [3rd photo, left] we can also read:

“In January 2007, Theodore Barna, an assistant deputy undersecretary of defense for advanced systems and concepts told Reuters that "We expect the services to add it to their tool kit. And that could happen as early as 2010”.

Apparently the military is still unsure about ADS after all the tests. Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne didn't help clarify the issue when he suggested that the military should use the “pain ray” at crowds in the United States before deploying it in Iraq. It would be hard to imagine that Americans would be feeling okay about trying such weapons on themselves even if they believe they are not lethal.

Wagner suggested a new nickname for the weapon; the “death ray”, since it’s well-known that exposing mammals to microwaves make them explode. He sent an email all around the U.S. in which he used a live example to prove his theory.”

To the reason behind the CIA needing to assassinate Michael Jackson, these reports continue, was an out of court settlement the pop icon signed with son of the king of Bahrain, Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa, this past November in London, and which stated, in part, that in exchange for millions of dollars previously lent to Mr. Jackson by the Sheikh, Mr. Jackson would allow his sold-out United Kingdom concerts to be a “platform” for warning the World of a soon to occur mass genocide event.

Both Michael Jackson and Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa have been long standing supporters of the fearless Austrian investigative journalist, Jane Burgermeister, who is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway, and as we can read:

“Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America. These actions follow her charges filed in April against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, alleging this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a pandemic.

In her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.

Specifically, evidence is presented that the defendants, Barack Obama, President of the U.S, David Nabarro, UN System Coordinator for Influenza, Margaret Chan, Director-General of WHO, Kathleen Sibelius, Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services, Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Department of Homeland Security, David de Rotschild, banker, David Rockefeller, banker, George Soros, banker, Werner Faymann, Chancellor of Austria, and Alois Stoger, Austrian Health Minister, among others, are part of this international corporate criminal syndicate which has developed, produced, stockpiled and employed biological weapons to eliminate the population of the U.S. and other countries for financial and political gain.

The charges contend that these defendants conspired with each other and others to devise, fund and participate in the final phase of the implementation of a covert international bioweapons program involving the pharmaceutical companies Baxter and Novartis. They did this by bioengineering and then releasing lethal biological agents, specifically the "bird flu" virus and the "swine flu virus" in order to have a pretext to implement a forced mass vaccination program which would be the means of administering a toxic biological agent to cause death and injury to the people of the U.S. This action is in direct violation of the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act.”

Interesting to note, too, is on the day of Michael Jackson’s assassination, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that their mathematical models show over 1 million Americans have contracted swine flu and that of the 58,000 confirmed cases around the World the US has over half of them, and even worse, Emergency Containment Areas are now being reported being set up in that troubled country.

Sadly though, and with an acknowledgement that this World star had led a much troubled life, it can never be taken away from Michael Jackson the real love he had for all of humanity and best expressed by him in the chorus of his anthem to the human race, We Are The World:

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posted June 26, 2009 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting report yet a bit mediocre, but I wouldn't put anything past the CIA they are masters at cloack n dagger stuff.

Michael's death finally dawned on me today at work, I can relate to Lara's feeling about her childhood being pulled from under her feet.

As for the child molestation stuff:

If you weren't there in the same room and saw it happening then simply eat sh*t already and stop your pathetic accusations and FYFI I personally know the father of a kid (Now a grown up teen) in his early 20's who fully trusted MJ with his son who used to spend extended periods of time with MJ, that kid is an Arab Lebanese, and he was questioned during MJ's trial a few years ago about his relation with MJ and he had the nicest things to say about the man both him and his dad.

Bla Bla Bla all freaking day long analyzing this n that and comparing this to that and looking at everything from an astrological perspective and linking his death to it like as if, if you are looking for praise on your astrological knowledge you wont get it on this thread so give it a fu****g rest already man, the guy is dead.

Damn, I wonder what I am going to do when I hear that Prince passed away lmao ... I think I am going to freaking lose it.

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Lara
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posted June 26, 2009 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG don't.

PRINCE is MY number ONE. If he goes i'm totally headf**ked.

I can't live without Prince - i just think he's the most profound songwriter ever.

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posted June 26, 2009 09:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I 2nd that Lara, he is my all time fav artist, I love him

Him and MJ were born in the same year BTW.

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Lara
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posted June 26, 2009 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yup... i love his early stuff like dirty mind and controversy. Actually i love all of his work... from then to now.

He's pure SEXY COOL FUNK!

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posted June 26, 2009 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am just in a complete and utter state of shock still...I remember listening to his songs when I was a little kid growing up in Ukraine...he was like the image of America...thats just creepy that he is dead...and I am also very sad about Farrah Fawcett. I was in an astrology class on Tuesday and the astrologer just mentioned how a lot of celebrities will be dying because there is 3 powerful eclipses coming up this summer which have Pluto aspects and are closely tied to the south node (releasing). And she just mentioned Farrah Fawcett...I am just...yeah...shock

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posted June 26, 2009 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, must be a Taurus Mars thing... I am a huge Prince fan. I so LOVE his music. That guy's a freakin' genius.

Sexy M.F... such a great song lol

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posted June 27, 2009 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Orange, thanks for the link on Lisa Marie Presley's statements upon Michael Jackson's death.

Lisa said:

quote:
He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.

When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.

Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.


I am still not positive if we have THE rectified natal chart of Michael's. It is clear, however, that he did have Sun in Virgo conjunct Pluto in Virgo, and Mercury in late degrees in Leo (retrograde) conjunct Pluto in Virgo- hence his presence as "an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated", (Paraphrasing)"For good or REALLY bad", and "no mediocrity for Michael Jackson".

As a stellium 4th houser, with his Sun in Virgo, Pluto in Virgo and Mercury in Leo in the 4th, Michael also had his Venus in Leo and Uranus in Leo (detrimental) both in his 3rd, but both conjunct his IC, along with his Mercury in Leo conjunct IC; while his Mercury, Venus and Uranus all in Leo all form squares with his Mars in Taurus (detrimental) in his 12th (signifying unconscious anger yet to be dealt with on a conscious level, among other things- also, the 12th symbolizing self-undoing, and Mars there, with 3 squares plus another with his Chiron in Aquarius conjunct MC at the end of his 9th and so as well as in his 10th, resulting in 4 Fixed T-squares).

Chiron aside, Michael's Full Moon in Pisces was his most elevated placement (not a planet, but one of the two luminaries).

At the time of Michael's death, he had been having his Mars return. Both transiting Mars and Venus in Taurus were transiting in his 12th; transiting Saturn in Virgo conjunct his natal Sun in Virgo, and the former had been transiting in his natal 4th, one of the natal houses of Saturn's detriment (the other being the 5th), forming a square with Michael's natal Saturn in Sagittarius conjunct DC in his 7th, his natal Saturn square his natal Moon, and another square with his Ascendent- virtually (albeit not necessarily- depending on different astrologers's interpretations) forming a transiting Mutable Grand Square.

Michael was a Sun Virgo with Full Moon in Pisces- in my view, the most vulnerable, sensitive, artistic and easily traumatized Pisces Moon of the whole year (meaning: born on a Full Moon in Pisces, when one's Sun is almost bound to be in Virgo). His Full Moon in Pisces was in his 10th, the natal house of the Moon's detriment; transiting Neptune had been transiting in Michael's natal 10th house at the time of his passing, conjunct his natal MC; a lot of Michael's not-so-positive transits had been going on when he died.

It is said that with Sun in the 4th house, usually the native's early life tends to be quite difficult, but it's an uphill struggle, and things improve toward the late years of life and near the end of life. However, this was apparently not the case for Michael- as he suffered from a very afflicted IC and 4th house- with Mercury in the 4th conjunct IC square Mars in the 12th, Venus and Uranus both technically in the 3rd, both also conjunct IC, square Mars in the 12th. Apart from Mercury in Leo retrograde, supposedly Michael's chart ruler (had his birth info been accurate) in the 4th, as I mentioned earlier, Michael had both Virgo Sun and Virgo Pluto forming a conjunction, also in his 4th. Contrary to the somewhat generalized Sun in the 4th interpretation mentioned above, Michael actually suffered from a very afflicted 4th house- with Pluto in the 4th, it's virtually always problematic: Pluto's destruction before regeneration, transformation and so forth, brings upheavals and turmoil to Michael's early family background, childhood (in fact he never had one) and as well as his adult home life.

I don't mind discussing Michael's astrological input here, as long as we maintain respectful for a great genius, as well as a very troubled man, who has just passed on. I do not agree, however, that this thread be turned into a posthumous negative speculations about Michael. This is a mourning thread where we who had loved, and still love Michael's work, pay him our respect. If anyone feels the urge of scrutinizing Michael regarding his legal issues, while citing clues in his birth chart and so on, I'd suggest the person start another thread of her or his own, and leave Michael alone here. This is not a "Dissecting Michael Jackson Thread". This is where we pay him our respect.

I live in East Asia, one hour late than Tokyo, Japan. I tuned into my local English language radio as soon as I awoke early on the morning of June 26. BBC was on at 7 o'clock sharp- and instantly, I heard the bad news. I was leaving home for the med school library for the Internet. I stayed home the whole day instead. I was speechless. I felt solemn. I haven't cried, but I just think. My musical and artistical icon back in my days at junior high, Michael Jackson, had died suddenly. I stayed home while listening to my local English language radio, as the radio station played many of Michael's hits all day and all evening long.

According to the media, Michael had had a cardiac arrest, which is different from a heart attack- also known as myocardial infarction.

The precise cause of Michael's sudden death has yet to be determined.

His passing makes me think hard.

Also RIP Farrah Fawcet, my favorite Charlie's angel- I had the chance to watch the re-run, and to my mind, there is no comparison between the original and the big-screen versions.

Let us shift our focus back onto our loving memory of Michael, and our respect for him.

Yes, celebrities are also human beings who eat, drink fluids, sleep and defecate.

However, celebrities are not your average human beings, as they live their lives under the limelight, and more often than not, their private lives are much deprived.

We are not here to put Michael on a pedestal.

We are here to remember him as the greatest contemporary popular culture artist of all-time.

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posted June 27, 2009 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannequin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i miss him so much. this is affecting me more than any other death, or celebrity death. like a close member of my family has died.

i'm listening to his music, and i just realise how every song is iconic, every lyric and beat is known off by heart.

he was one of the few last legends on this earth. possibly even the last one to remain. there will never be another Michael Jackson.

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posted June 27, 2009 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello all~

In my line of work, vocation, soul purpose, I witness and participate in death frequently.

These witnessings have left me with a few thoughts.

We are born dying.

We could not live if we were not destined to die.

Life/death, two polarities of human existence.

Life is too short for me, so I spend each and every day LIVING, and doing expactly what I want to be doing in the moment.

When one passes on, we should honour their existence here on earth, we should reflect and respect what their individual energies brought to this earth realm (positive and negative.) And we should respect them for leaving here exactly when they were destined to do so...

I still want to know what happens to our conciousness when we die. But I will not know until I die, and then it will not matter anymore.

So today I live....

And I love...

And I respect and take a moment of solitued for those who have passed, and honour them and their contributions to our humanity.

Michael lived, Michael did exactly what he came here for...Michael died, exactly when he chose to...

blessings

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posted June 27, 2009 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverStone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He will be missed

He was a true icon~

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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Lara
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posted June 27, 2009 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thumbs UP Hippichick

He came, he saw, he achieved a legacy and he left.
I still think he took his own life

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posted June 27, 2009 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lyra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did you know that famous people are born, or die, in pairs (very close to one another)? (I don't mean to be facetious here either).
I'm not sure why people keep saying a Pisces Moon is particularly destined for being dumped on - sure, we take a lot of sh*t, but people underestimate Pisces' strength. I read an interview with Lisa Marie Presley a few years back where she implied that MJ definetely wasn't the childlike persona he portrayed to the press, but that there was this very sharp mind behind the facade constantly analyzing/ measuring/ manipulating, etc. (as far as I can remember). Also he knew exactly what he was doing from a performance point of view, he had it thoroughly sussed, I was watching some of the videos on Youtube, he had this conviction and knew exactly what he was talking about - that passion obviously came through - that's the gift of the positive Moon in Pisces.
I've got a ton of Mutables as well, including all your placements, Glaucus - Asc in Virgo, Mars/Saturn-Neptune Opposition, Moon, Venus and Jupiter in Pisces. Except, I consider them a strength. Look at Hugh Hefner. He's got Moon in Pisces and he hasn't done too badly out of it. So everyone who implies that Moon in Pisces people are sufferers, stop it! Yes, we may go through crises. So does everyone else. Look at people with lots of Fixed stuff in their chart. They can spend forever in the soup because they just won't move.

BTW, I don't think anyone like Prince or Madonna will be going anytime yet. Madonna is such a tough old bird she will still be knocking around in her eighties and as for Prince, he's had nowhere near the pressure of MJ, much more low profile, he's a completely different kettle of fish altogether.

I hate to say this, but a few years ago I did see this coming - I was looking at pictures of MJ and thinking "he's not going to make old bones, he'll make it past 50 if he's lucky". I don't mean that in an unkind way but I just had that gut feeling - poor guy.

Love,

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posted June 27, 2009 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VinayM19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His music will be with us...

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"We do not see things as they are, we see things as we are" - ahaaa...

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posted June 27, 2009 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked at more stuff

using the 11:53 PM birthtime

all natal


I looked at his chart from a different perspective with the use of
heliocentric planetary nodes
also including also the nodes of the dwarf planets, Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Ceres
also Sedna
no more than 2 degree orb

Helio Venus Nodes in 16'18 Gemini/Sagittarius
Ascendant/Descendant axis in 16'49 Gemini/Sagittarius
square Moon in 17'06 Pisces
square Ceres in 16'13 Virgo
sextile/trine Venus in 17'17 Leo
personal,emotional,nurturing,love connection to collective art,relationships

Helio Mercury Nodes in 17'50 Taurus/Scorpio
Helio Mars Nodes in 19'14 Taurus/Scorpio
square Venus in 17'17 Leo
love,relationships in connection to collective communications and collective
action

Helio Uranus Nodes in 13'47 Gemini/Sagittarius
sextile/trine Uranus in 13'30 Leo
independence,revolution in connection to collective independence,revolution

Helio Eris Nodes in 5'46 Taurus/Scorpio
trine/sextile Sun in 6'19 Virgo
trine/sextile Juno in 6'43 Virgo
ego,self expression, committed relationships in connection to collective
diversity,equality matters,controversy

Helio Sedna Nodes in 24'01 Leo/Aquarius
conjunct/oppose Mercury in 25'20 Leo R
sextile Lunar Nodes in 23'03 Libra/Aries
communications, meeting/associations in connections to collective higher
consciousness,environmental awareness, vicitimization

Helio Ceres Nodes in 20'37 Gemini/Sagittarius
oppose/conjunct Saturn in 19'07 Sagittarius
trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 21'24 Aquarius/Leo
discipline,structure,restriction,career,domestic environment in connection to
collective nurturing,mothering,food

Helio Makemake Nodes in 18'59 Gemini/Sagittarius
oppose/conjunct Saturn in 19'07 Sagittarius
square Moon in 17'06 Pisces
discipline,structure,emotional nature, in connection to collective fertility
(Makemake named after Rapanui Fertility God) - not sure of its overall meaning


Helio Haumea Nodes in 1''24 Leo/Aquarius
square Neptune in 2'34 Scorpio
imagination,inspiration,compassion in connection to collective fertility
(Haumea named after Hawaiian Fertility Goddess) - not sure of its overal meaning

Orcus Nodes in 28'01 Sagittarius/Gemini
sextile/trine Jupiter in 28'34 Libra
expansion,optimism in connection to collective oaths, death
(Orcus named after Roman God of Death)

I also checked aspects to the large Kuiper Belt Objects/transneptunians
conjunction,opposition,trine,square - 3 degrees
sextile - 2 degrees
quincunx,semisextile,sesquiquadrate,semisquare - 1 degree


I also checked Right Ascension which are ecliptic longitude coordinates that
astronomers use to locate objects


Pluto
conjunct Sun - '26 in Right Ascension
(cazimi....very powerful, intensity,transformation)


Varuna in 15'24 Taurus R
sextile Moon - 1'41 ('00 in Right Ascension)
trine Ceres - '49
square Venus - 1'53
square Uranus - 1'53 ('47 in Right Ascension)
in connection to justice,judgment,grandness

Orcus in 7'04 Cancer
sextile Sun - '45 ('32 in Right Ascension)
sextile Juno - '20 ('05 in Right Ascension)
sextile Pluto - '58 in Right Ascension
square Eris - 2'29
semisquare Mars - '02
sesquiquadrate/semisquare Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis - '40
in connection to oaths,death
(it's a plutino, and so similar to Pluto astronomically...could be similar
astrologically)

Ixion in 22'05 Libra
conjunct/oppose Lunar Nodes - '58
trine/sextile Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis - '51
sextile Mercury - '51 in Right Ascension
quincunx Mars - '01
semisquare Sun - '46
in connection to second chances,understanding the karmic wheel,gratitude,lust
(it's a plutino, and so similar to Pluto astronomically...could be similar
astrologically)

Quaoar in 15'43 Libra
trine/sextile Ascendant/Descendant axis - 1'06 ('45 in Right Ascension)
sextile Venus - 1'34
in connection to inspired creativity

Makemake in 1'24 Leo
square Neptune - 1'09
square Jupiter - 2'50
semisquare/sesquiquadrate Asc/Desc - '24
sesquiquadrate Moon - '41
semisquare Ceres - '11
semisextile Sun - 1'08 in Right Ascension.......8 minutes past orb/borderline
in connection to fertility in connection to creativity

Eris in 9'33 Aries R
trine Venus - 1'50 in Right Ascension
trine Uranus - 1'59 in Right Ascension
trine Saturn - '06 in Right Ascension
sesquiquadrate Mercury - '46
in connection to diversity,equality matters, controversy

Sedna in 27'06 Aries
oppose Jupiter - 1'27
oppose Neptune - 1'59 in Right Ascension
trine Mercury - 1'45
in connection to higher consciousness,environmental awareness,victimization


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posted June 27, 2009 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

I have Jordan Chandler's birthdate

Jan 11, 1980

it's from here http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html


interestingly he has master number birthday number like Michael Jackson who was
born on August 29

master numbers indicate great potential, but great challenges


SYNASTRY using the 11:53 pm for Michael's birthtime


Michael's Mars quincunxes Jordan's Neptune-Pluto sextile
YOD

Jordan's Mars conjuncts Michael's Ceres opposes Michael's Moon and square
Michael's Saturn
T-SQUARE
during Michael's death,transiting Ceres-Saturn conjunction conjunct Jordan's
Mars and Michael's Ceres
Jordan's passion,assertiveness merges with Michael's nurturing qualities and
Michael's emotional nature and structure.....could be involved involved in
nurturing,parenting matters....as addressing Michael's emotional insecurities

Jordan's Venus opposes Michael's Mercury and squares Michael's Mars
Jordan's Uranus opposes Michael's Mars and squares Michael's Mercury
GRAND CROSS
that looks like major sexual tension between them

during Michael's death, transiting retrograde Jupiter-Neptune-Chiron
conjunction has been conjuncting Jordan's Venus and opposing Michael's Mercury
during Michael's death

Jordan's Uranus square Michael's Mercury and sesquiquadrates Michael's Eris
THORS HAMMER

COMPOSITE CHART

Pluto conjunct North Lunar Node less than half a degree, and Jordan's Saturn
conjuncts that conjunction less than half a degrees
During Michael's death, transiting Uranus is conjuncting the composite South
Lunar Node and opposing the composite Pluto-North Lunar Node conjunction and
Jordan's Saturn.

I am not going to make any conclusions, but the synastry does look very
significant.

I don't think Michael Jackson had an astrologer.
If he did, he would definitely be warned that being involved with Jordan in any
way would be his downfall even if it was just an innocent friendship.

Raymond

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VirgOh
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posted June 27, 2009 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chandler looks Gay to me for some strange reason, these are the vibes I am getting from looking at him.
http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/where-is-jordan-chandler-now/

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posted June 28, 2009 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sweeter_Than_Apple_Pie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just found this
http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06...

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I am the most cynical person on the planet (okay, not cynical enough to believe conspiracy theories) - but one line in a Youtube interview clinched it for me - they were really putting MJ under pressure and in the end he said: "Sorry, that is not Michael Jackson (you're talking about?). That is someone else." And I have to say: I believed him, and I am pretty good at spotting liars, there's a sort of "off" feeling you get, a sense of something not being quite right (we're talking gut feelings here, ignore all the facts and figures for the moment). They exaggerate too much, there are facial microexpressions and all sorts of things, but mainly just a feeling... which I have to say I didn't get watching the interview.

Love,

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posted June 28, 2009 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just would like to share this with you all. It's just so cool and so MJ... the guy really had the ability to bring the BEAT TO LIFE, and make it visual for all of us.

God Bless Him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l74Y_p6or00

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posted June 28, 2009 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D for Defiant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
VirgOh,

Many thanks for the link to the blog. I am not going to be able to view all the additional links provided by the webmaster "floacist" tonight ("this morning" USA ET), but I will manage to view all of them.

I have been doing some online research the past couple of days, though.

Sweeter_Than_Apple_Pie,

Thanks for the link as well. I shall await further confirmation of the validity of the actual happening of Jordan Chandler's public confession.

Lyra,

I was focusing on Michael's nativities, but not solely on Moon in Pisces, thus my comments on Pisces Moon were not clear or conclusive enough, consequently causing misunderstandings. In no way that I, as an astrological pupil, would define Pisces Mooners as all "fragile, sweet, daydreamers..." On the contrary- I consider the sign Pisces to be arguably the most difficult sign position for the Moon to be in- because, as far as I know (and having known more than a dozen of lunar Pisceans in my whole life), Moon in Pisces is like a psychic sponge- as a lunar Piscean, you absorb whatever there is, all your surroundings, all the vibes and energies from all the people in your life, since your earliest memories. Thus, there are all kinds of possibilities with this Moon- many of Pisces Mooners grew up to become manipulative, or very tough but hard to figured out, or extremely insensitive to others's needs, or very introspective and artistically-inclined...all kinds of possibilities. I was simply making a point that, for Michael, as a Full Moon in Pisces with Sun in Virgo, he was especially emotionally fragile and easily hurt, among other things. I was by no means indicating that his traits fit all his other fellow lunar Pisceans who did not share all the other placements with Michael.

Mannequin,

I concur. There will never be another Michael Jackson. He was, and shall always be, the one and only King of Pop of all-time.

I had been thinking about adding something I had noticed regarding Michael's natal Mars, along with a couple of other natal placements, or some of the transits at the time of his death.

With Sun in Virgo conj Pluto in Virgo (the 4th), along with Mercury in Leo (retrograde) conj Pluto (the 4th), Michael was a man with profound intensity regarding his emotion, his outlook on life, his perception on people and things in life, and with a potent interest in matters concerning sex. He was highly intelligent, multi-talented, and an artistic dynamo who was to build his enterprise- during his prime.

However, with all his three planets that conj his IC- Mercury in Leo (retrograde) in the 4th, Venus in Leo conj Uranus in Leo (detrimental) both at the end of his 3rd, also both conj IC- all formed squares with his Mars in Taurus (detrimental) in the 12th. Mars in the 12th, apart from signifying unconscious anger yet to be dealt with on the conscious level, also indicates self-undoing (the symbolic meaning of the 12th house) presented as hidden, powerful enmity/enemies, who would eventually endanger Michael's life- his reputation, his career, his finances, his physical and mental well-being...and with Mars in the 12th, in the sign Taurus, to me, it signifies secret enemies targeting Michael's personal finances- in plain English- Michael's money Particularly with his Mars's ruler being Venus, and he had Venus square Mars- double trouble.

His most elevated planet was his Full Moon in Pisces in his 10th- where the Moon is in the house of its detriment- what the Moon was supposed to govern- moods, emotional expressions, emotional needs, the unconscious, the persona expressed through the unconscious- plus home life (and childhood character, relationship with Mother, food/diet preferences, past lives, among many other things...) was in his 10th, the house of, yet again, among other things- the public, societal status, the eye of the public...and Michael's Full Moon in Pisces in his 10th square his Saturn in Sagittarius conj DC in the 7th (traditionally, the 7th is the house of the exaltation of Saturn. However, things are far from that simple) did not provide any of the assistence he badly needed. Michael became an easy target for victimization. His career and his reputation (both ruled by the 10th house) were very much wrecked.

Michael also had Jupiter in Libra conj Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th- a conjunction is neither favorable nor unfavorable, which usually indicates a certain level of tensed energy; I am not advanced enough to see through any part of Michael's nativities regarding his problematic health, mental stress, various deep psychological issues, and drug addiction. His 5th house Libra Jupiter conj Scorpio Neptune does signify more than two children (whether fathered by himself or otherwise), plus controversy and mysteries surrounding his own children, among other things.

As a stellium 4th houser, with 3 planets conj IC and all square his 12th house Mars in Taurus (which square his Chiron)- Michael was high-strung, superbly artistic, extremely sensitive, and easily exploited. His sexuality was very intense. He suffered from a dysfunctional family, an abusive father (I've yet to check out his mother), and he was a guy who longed for a family of his own- deep inside, Michael wanted to be a family man, but also a career giant- resulting in evident conflict, which is easily seen in his 10th house Full Moon and his jammed packed 4th house and a very, very afflicted IC and his 12th house- I suspect that his 12th house Mars's squares with his IC conjuncting planets were the major source of his drug problems, various illnesses, psychological complexes, and a mysterious death.

Glaucus, I don't think he had an astrologer, either. He was a Jehovah's Witness.

He should have had one. A competent one.

D

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Some to misery are born;
Every morn and every night,
Some are born to sweet delight.
Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night.

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