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Topic: Good and bad aspects in COMPOSITES
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pire
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posted July 11, 2009 04:33 AM
 
Meta4, i think that if the composite show the purpose of a relationship, then a grand trine would say that the aim between the 2 people interactions is to create an harmonic expression between the planets involved. Or harmonic but through struggle with a grandcross.
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comica23
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posted July 11, 2009 11:12 AM
Lucia23, I can understand your point. The composite chart is drawn by the midpoints of each pair of planets - so symbolically, it's the middle point where two person's energies meet. But somehow, we know that we don't express our energies in the same intensity. For example, me and you can express our Sun energies in a different intensity.Well, one can say that a composite chart is a theoretical chart, that isn't based in the real sky positions. But then Davison, which is actually based in the real sky positions - does it actually make more sense, to use an actual chart that is based by the time and space midpoints between two person's birth moment? But whether this makes sense or not - if we disregard a chart that is symbolically based on the midpoints of the actual physical energies between two persons, then a chart based on time and space midpoints between two person would actually not be valid too (since we assume that the mathematical midpoint theory is not valid, and both uses midpoints, although in different contexts). Also, the whole astrology system is actually theoretical, and very mathematical too. But well, there are many astrological tools and knowledge available, and each of us will find some more insightful than others. ^_~ *edited a little bit* IP: Logged |
Orange
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Registered: May 2009
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posted July 11, 2009 12:37 PM
My opinion about Composite charts is that the nature of the aspect between composite planets does not really matter.
After all, the Composite is a midpoint chart - each planet does not have a certain location in the sky but is a midpoint derived from two partner's planets.
In Cosmobiology (the midpoint astrology) the aspects between two midpoints does never count. And in midpoint astrology, only the hard aspects between one midpoint and anorher planet are considered, and a hard aspect does not mean - a difficult one. It just means an exchange of energy.
Now based on the abovementioned, the aspects between planets in Composite chart should not matter because each one of the composite planet is a midpoint.
However, any aspect between a composite planet and one of the natal partner's planet means a lot.What is your opinion on that? IP: Logged |
Jai
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posted July 11, 2009 12:38 PM
These are interesting points Orange and Comica but when I look at my own marriage chart, I think composites are valid. A synastry chart would be the "chemistry" between the two people when the relationship is new and the couple is interacting with their own individual energies. After many years those energies meld and it becomes an entity in itself. I wonder if anyone else in a long-term marriage would agree? IP: Logged |
amowls*
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 11, 2009 12:46 PM
Lucia, I pay little attention to signs in Composites. I've never read anything on Composites that gave emphasis to them either. House placements and aspects are more important.The Composites charts I've done for myself have been stunningly accurate. I'd have amazing synastry with someone, but then I'd wonder why I wasn't that into him or vice versa. The Composite was usually scattered or didn't have enough "romantic" aspects to signify doing anything about it. IP: Logged |
Lucia23
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posted July 11, 2009 09:30 PM
Interesting, Amowls! Some of the astrological tools I don't favor can be very useful/potent in the hands of highly skilled astrologers...I have encountered a couple of astrologers who are great at reading/using composites...you might be one of them. Jai, I lived with my ex in a very committed, close, marriage-like relationship for nearly 15 years...I am definitely familiar with the phenomenon of a relationship taking on a flavor all it's own that's not just about the interaction between the two people, but is almost like its own entity. Our relationship definitely became an entity unto itself--it just was totally not even faintly Virgoan or Virgo Sun-like. Cosmica23, as a tarot fan, I have no problem with a tool being more symbolic than literal...I just, in my own life and charts, often find the symbolism wrong or off in my composites, and the fact that midpoints are a mathematical default really shows in them. I think it's really LAME in that way...if my Sun is Aries and yours is Gemini, the composite's Sun becomes a Taurus. If my Sun is in the 4th and yours in the 6th, the composite Sun is in the 5th. LAME! I do find Davisons a bit more accurate in flavor. IP: Logged |
pire
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posted July 11, 2009 10:15 PM
Well usually relationship serve to teach us something we need to learn. Somthing we do not possess already. But usually we tend to fall in love, or have a relationship with someone compatible because they are easier to get along and kind of speak our language. Therefore if you are aries (passion/challenge/energy/enthousiasm/naivety...) and im gemini (witty/versatile/curious/quick/mentally agile....) then taurus quality would be necessary to balance the yang energy of each sun sign. Therefore, the two together would have to create a solid, trustworthy, sensual relationship to guard them from drifting apart, following independent streams. Or that's how i understand the composite signs. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted July 11, 2009 10:21 PM
Well said pire!IP: Logged |
bopbop
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Registered: Jun 2009
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posted July 11, 2009 10:42 PM
I like the idea that the aspects don't matter so much and what pire said is very interesting but hard to wrap my head around when dealing with all the signs and potential combinations.Would that go for houses too? I do believe house placement can be more important than sign. I think with composite aspects, it is also important to look for patterns... between the natals, between the synastry, and between the composite. Like if hard aspects between the Sun and Venus occur between all three. A Sun/Venus type of conflict might be important in the relationship because of how the two people deal with themselves and each other, and then the relationship reflects that clearly in the composite. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 12, 2009 02:34 AM
I use composites, first at a quick glance looking for where energies are centered and what dynamics repeat themselves - showing where the focus is. Also conjunctions of composite angles/planets to the natals to see how the two are affected. Looking esp at stelliums in the houses to see if either natal would resonate with that energy. They're pretty insightful but I've seen, so far, that their effects can be seen quite early on in the relationship ~ it doesn't seem for the 2 to become established after yrs to notice the dynamics. Then again this is easier to see when the energy is concentrated ~ if they're scattered I usually dismiss the interaction.Aspects I like to see in composites are between planets that in either natal are afflicted forming positive aspects. I like comp. personal planets and the angles forming conj to personal planets/angels in the natals at least once from each side. And the composite nodal axis also forming strong conj to either natal. For endurance I like trines with Saturn. Uranus is a ride and if synastry doesn't have many "sexy" sorta aspects Uranus in composite, sq moon, venus, the more harmonious aspects too will create that spark. Neptune squares are the aspects I dislike to see the most. Even when you think your eyes are wide open it's difficult to see what's coming at you until it's too late, this aspect seems more potent in composites than synastry with natals....it has more of a hold. -Just what I've noticed edit: also venus square saturn seems difficult as each is unsure of the other's affection, it can be a sign that the relation won't materialize ~ composite aspects seem so much more carved in stone than natal synastry. IP: Logged |
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