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posted August 21, 2009 03:44 PM         

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Hi Popcorn, what do you mean by "a strong tie aspect"? Do you mean an aspect for long term? Maybe that is for the best...

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posted August 21, 2009 03:53 PM         

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"My ex and I have this aspect in our Composite. We also have Moon square Uranus."

Does that mean that you have a t-square of Moon square Saturn-Uranus opposition?

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Nah, Saturn and Uranus are conjunct in our Composite (and in both of our natals). Saturn and Uranus are also conjunct the DSC, so the Moon also squares ASC.

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posted August 21, 2009 03:57 PM         

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I am not afraid of saturn. In your natal chart you have many saturn aspect. You have moon in capricorn and also your AC. I think you need a strong saturn in your synastri and composite as me. I do not think you will be really happy with out saturn. Long term relationship need saturn. If there is no one aspect from saturn to the other planet and so on i do not beleve on the relationship.

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posted August 21, 2009 04:13 PM         

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awowls. Maybe my relationships reflect my self . I have in natal chart moon square saturn and my two most importent relationship in my life in composite are moon square saturn

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posted August 21, 2009 04:15 PM         

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Popcorn, when Unmoved first posted the charts she made a mistake with his birthdate so they were wrong. Would you look again? You will see my Saturn square his moon by one degree and his Saturn square my moon zero degrees. What do you think that means?

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posted August 21, 2009 04:17 PM         

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They are a "red alert" at Cafe Astrology meaning extremely difficult.

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posted August 21, 2009 04:18 PM         

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Skyzone says:

Saturn square Moon:

What does it mean to your relationship when your natal Saturn is square with your partner’s Moon? You are very sensitive to your romantic partner’s criticism, often feeling discomfort, fear, and insecurity with your relationship. You may feel a sense of having been there and done this before. This can force you to become withdrawn and fend for yourself, but down deep you have a feeling that you really will need to work things out. If your partner’s Saturn is square to your Moon, you can feel challenged by your partner’s emotional response to your advice and offered support. He/she will withdraw in the face of difficulty, but will not leave the relationship easily.

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posted August 21, 2009 04:48 PM         

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Every people who will be conj your venus going to square your moon.
His venus, karma conj your moon. Your saturn conj his DC.
your Venus conj his saturn trine your mars.
You also have much more other aspekt and much saturn. I think the relationship could beeing developed and deep. Your inner feeling go deeply and sometimes it could stress both of you and you feel alone. But i think saturn person like to sometimes be alone. But not to much. You have so many other aspect. I would try and se if i was you. But the most importent ar to listening on is owns feelings.

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posted August 21, 2009 04:51 PM         

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So we have composite moon square saturn and also synastry double whammy moon square saturn.

Cafe Astrology says:

When the Moon in your chart forms an aspect to your partner's Saturn

The hard (conjunction, square, and opposition) cross-aspects between the Moon and Saturn are powerful ones. Either one (or both) of you may have made it clear right from the start that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Although the relationship may begin with some element of enthusiasm, over time, you may feel the need to censor your feelings of dependency on the relationship and on the Saturn person for some reason or another. You, playing the role of the Moon, may sense a certain level of seriousness and even harshness or narrowness in the Saturn person that may not even exist in absolute terms. Your partner may not even be aware of this unconscious reaction to you. Whatever it is, you can feel somewhat constrained by the relationship, and unable to express the "child" within, simply because of the expectation that your partner may not approve, may not be capable of understanding, or may not be equipped to handle these expressions. The sense that you get is that your Saturn partner's needs for commitment are paramount, and that "frivolous" expressions of neediness or dependency wouldn't be appropriate. It may also be that situational factors are such that true emotional intimacy is blocked, even though both of you want to get closer to each other.

The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that you feel emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does your Saturn partner truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, your partner will lose touch with your deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either of you. Your relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in you both, and you will certainly find a basic sense of safety with each other. Although you, in particular, may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in your partner that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both of you realize that you need each other desperately, and that your attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both of you could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of your attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above.

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posted August 21, 2009 04:53 PM         

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Thank you, Popcorn. I guess I want to see...
I just want to make the right choices for my daughter as well.

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posted August 21, 2009 04:57 PM         

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MM.saturn square moon. I think the feeling and need of alone sometimes. My both ex man who i have a moon square saturn in both synastri and composite with have the need of alone. I need to be alone sometimes. I read much books formy self an my second man watching at tv in another rom much of the tima.

No one say no stupid about that. Both of us like that.

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posted August 21, 2009 05:16 PM         

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MM. god you listening to your feelings.

Of cours it is worth to read cafe astrology. Ilike that They write well and deep. There is much more and just one deep or hard aspect. I think they are to hard in complain of saturn in composite on cafe astrology.

I will hope your daughter find right man. As mother we allways knows our childrens best

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posted August 21, 2009 05:22 PM         

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Popcorn, thanks for everything today. It was really good to talk to you and to everyone. I don't want to get involved in a relationship that would cause any problems for my daughter (I mentioned his drinking in the other thread in Soul Unions) so it is important for me to fully think things through and I appreciate all of the help so much.

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posted August 21, 2009 05:32 PM         

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MM. I am tired and going to sleep now. The time here are 24. Thank for all. I read about your drinking man.. and know your daughter not can be so old yet

Bye

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posted August 21, 2009 06:06 PM         

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hi MM, i'm a little late to this! but i would worry more about the drinking than the aspect. saturn aspects CAN be uncomfortable but especially squares will demand to be worked out, so they can be real growth aspects...but if i had a child involved the drinking would be a BIG red flag i couldn't ignore. maybe it means that YOU are the saturn to his (self-medicating)moon? and maybe the aspect is saying you will have to be firm about this either saying goodbye or being absolutely certain that the drinking or he have to go?

when the aspect is BETWEEN the charts it is easier to see who is saturn and who is moon, sometimes the composite means outside influences will create this scenario...

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posted August 21, 2009 06:59 PM         

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Thanks for being the voice of reason, Katatonic. I need to consider both sides. It is just a blossoming relationship at this point and could very well end up a close friendship or nothing at all but those Saturn aspects worry me... like a fate thing and being sucked in. I don't want to give up the association entirely, I just don't want to fool myself into thinking I can handle enjoying the intimacy and friendship for a while and then finding myself totally wrapped up in him unexpectedly with no way to extricate myself without a broken heart and withdrawal. Right now it is ok and I'd like to spend more time and get to know if the drinking can be cut down on or if he is in a downward spiral that I don't want to get sucked into. If you get where I'm coming from...
I'm in a bit of hurry so hopefully I made sense.

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posted August 22, 2009 12:18 AM         

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katatonic. There i finding the right word for saturn influence in the relationship between my exman nr 2 and me. We have big problem with our
parents. Time of time we breake off our parents and often it was me as was the individual who stand on the outside of the group. That took hard on me sometimes. That must be the saturninfluence in our relationship between us. I get an aha-experience.

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