posted September 28, 2009 07:47 PM            

What are your experiences in relationships with lots of challenging Neptune aspects in the synastry or the composite?

posted September 28, 2009 07:56 PM            

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i have to wonder what all this subterfuge is with by him.
one speculation is that you are economically more secure than he and he may be in it for the classic..."your money".but this is a quess.what is certain is that this relationship ,if it exist, is headed for trouble.i can see nothing other than malicious intent from him. BE CAREFUL.

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We have Neptune aspects in our synastry, also, but nothing I would read as a giant red flag like Todd found in the composite. I am terrible at reading composites myself.

posted September 28, 2009 08:41 PM            

Neptune conjunct Venus in the 5th
Venus/Neptune opposite NN
Venus/Neptune square Saturn (if I had to put an astrological finger on it, this would probably be the one)
Venus/Neptune inconjunct Chiron

posted September 28, 2009 09:00 PM            

Tell me, did you have an intuitive sense that he would lie, cheat, steal?

posted September 28, 2009 09:49 PM            

In me and my bf's synastry, my Sun/Neptune square is opposed/squared by his Venus (t-square) - sometimes, I can't understand his way of showing his love/affection, that makes me wonder if his feelings for me have changed (the confusion of Venus/Neptune), and that hits on my self-confidence and insecurities (my natal Sun square Neptune); while in his point of view, I'd seem hard to be satisfied with his way of showing his affections (his Venus feeling stressed).

And then, in our composite, we have Moon square Neptune - this did reflect how I sometimes feel insecure in this relationship. Also, this Moon/Neptune square is actually involved in a big configuration of patterns - Moon sextiles Chiron (on the AC) and both quincunx Pluto (forming a yod), while Neptune sextile Pluto (with their midpoints on the DC) and both quincunx Chiron (forming another yod). In our relationship, there are times in which the lack of understanding and compassion plus criticism hurts (Neptune/Pluto midpoint opposed by Chiron; Moon/Chiron midpoint opposed by Pluto), and this either triggers the insecurities, or the insecurities triggers this.
Also, the Moon/Neptune is square to Saturn, and this can show that there might be some secrets between us, when the above problems arises, or that the suspicion of this might make the above problems arise.

But well, now resuming - we might keep certain secrets from each other in order to avoid conflicts or hurting one another, but I don't think that in our case there were any deceptions, as we have always been very honest to each other. I do think that what the Neptune influence in our charts reflects are certain misunderstandings and the lack of understanding/compassion that happened sometimes.

posted September 28, 2009 10:08 PM            

This may however only be because the synastry aspects are more apparent and easily felt than the composite aspects somehow, and maybe 7 years wasn't long enough to witness the unfolding of the composite energies to their full potential.

One composite of a 7 year relationship I had had composite Neptune conjunct Moon, square MC and Saturn, as well as a mars-pluto exact opposition, and was the most nurturing and mutually beneficial relationship I have been a part of. This also had a sun-neptune synastry.

Darn, I lost my point in there somewhere..gah it's the neptune I tell you

Perhaps not all is as it seems, and neptune aspects allow for the manifestation of some of the best (sublime,spiritual,divine) energies in a relationship, but also pave the path that can lead to some of the worst situations between two people (deception,illusion,lies,addiction and loss of self in another).

How we handle these energies comes back to the natal charts, and our own level of soul integrity.

posted September 29, 2009 01:28 AM            

Neptune in our SYNASTRY looked quite okay, not very extreme - for example:
- My Neptune sextile his Venus (some "romantic" flair about our thing always, and we seem to have put each other on some sort of unrealistic pedestal first)
- His Neptune sextile my MC (some "tenderness" and "kid gloves' treatment involved - hardly any harsh discussion, more like: vaguely alluding potential problems etc.)
- His Neptune opposing my Saturn (more or les generational aspect with his age group: not nice! Basically ME coming up as a "wet blanket" to him, spoiling his fanatsies with a dash of realisms and bringing him down to erath with a bump - while he was eroding my basic powers of concentration, security, seriousness with his tricks ... really: confusing me and weakening me)

In our COMPOSITE Neptune-things look more drastic - and: more realistic, as I must say:
- Compo-Neptune square Compo-Moon (the "female side" of this pairing is harmed in a way, and the "female" one was me....)
- Compo-Neptune square Compo-Jupiter (exaggerated idealism, euphoria, dreams, hopes,wishes)
- Compo-Neptune trine Compo-Juno (actually: we didn't manage to makeit something "real" or something substantial - it started as an "internet love" - and remained a long distance thing till the end.

Even more expressive in the DAVIDSON chart:
- Davidson-Neptune opposing the Davidson-ASC: "WHAT is going on here??? WHAT ist this about?" - a very confusing and draining experience -a nd in retrospect, I do believe that third person have been involved constantly (i.e.: him cheating on me, probably)
- Davidson-Neptune suqare Davidson-Mercury ("lies" is the 1st idea - and it will be the last, concerning this relationship)

posted September 29, 2009 10:13 AM            

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Tell me, did you have an intuitive sense that he would lie, cheat, steal?

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I hope it doesn't scare you to hear me say this, but I honestly didn't; and I'm infamously adept at sniffing out rats. I'd known him for many years, since he was 16, and so was there as a friend through every relationship he ever had. I'd never seen him treat any other girl/woman the way he ended up treating me. All of the information I would have needed to make an informed decision was presented to me piece by piece and very slowly, so that by the time I realized how FUBAR it all was I was so head over heels and stubborn that I just went down with the ship.

The closest thing I had to a hint was (what I realize now was) a prophetic dream a week before I moved, which I rationalized away (Thanks again, Cap Moon). Are you feeling intuitively like something might be amiss with this guy you have this composite with? What does your Davidson look like, Neptune-wise?

posted September 29, 2009 02:56 PM            

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Are you feeling intuitively like something might be amiss with this guy you have this composite with? What does your Davidson look like, Neptune-wise?

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Well, I haven't felt that anything was amiss in the sense of his somehow evilly plotting to deceive me...Todd's warnings about that did not resonate (yet), but then again we really aren't very involved.

The ways I have experienced Neptune so far in the interaction are--intense creative breakthroughs when we collaborate, but they are weird breakthroughs, they feel like they are on some really mystical, psychic-y level...intense confusion about where each of us is coming from and what we want (although, if Todd's reading is on, maybe he's not confused...maybe he has an evil plot to use me for something or other, and I am confused)...lots of discussions about dreams and showing up in each other's dreams, including a horrible nightmare he had with me in it...

Not only does our composite have serious Neptune squares (Moon, Saturn, Mars)...our Davison also has Neptune even more tightly square our Moon and Mars!

We are just platonic friends. I kind of want to have sex with him, but it feels so complicated, because the interaction between us is all prickly and complicated, so I have sort of walked away from that, and from him, although I know we will probably want to collaborate again....but if Todd's reading is ON, maybe I should walk away on all levels.

posted October 02, 2009 05:03 PM              

neptune stands also for intuition,for romanticism,for spiritual conection!

it will only be deception,manipulative if you have hard or cj of Pluto mixed into the mix.

have you ever red skyviewzone´s aspects?i completely feel identified with it!when i first red it i thought:"OMG,NEptune is exactly this!And this is exactly what is being felt in our relationship"!

when i started into astrology,i made the mistake of reading cafe astrologie´s aspects.

all that is bad was there relating to the Neptune:infidelity,deception,illusions....if i would have believed on it,i wouldnt be where i am now with my bf....

you have to trust your intuition and if it is Love,then it is love.

we have C.Neptune square C.Sun.

Sinastry:Venus neptune square.

Do you know how it is felt?no deception,no manipulation whatsoever!Infidelity?Never!

if i feel threatened by the classic descriptions of it?Of courswe not

THE one that fits is this one:

"Neptune square Venus:
What does it mean to your relationship when your natal Neptune is square your partner's Venus? You are likely to view your partner in a very romantic light, as much romantic illusion or erotic fantasy as reality. Your version of your lover is likely to be the soul mate that has come to change you existence by his/her loving presence. If your romantic partner's Neptune is square your Venus, he/she finds you the dream lover, that larger than life hero or heroine who can make it all better. You are both very real people with attractive qualities and share a real bond of compassion for each other behind the mental costumes you have created for each other to wear."

So...let things unfold for itself and dont condemn any possible love because of a single neptune hard aspect.
why dont you guys trust the relationship you have with the one you love?