posted October 16, 2009 09:37 PM            

And if you wonder if your asymmetrical features or flaws are really noticeable for others or not, just look at yourself at the mirror (without being too attentive, just naturally looking like other people do), and you will see yourself just how like others see. ^_~

posted October 16, 2009 09:48 PM            

I agree with you 100 percent!

great points!

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 16, 2009 11:37 PM            

But I don't think that it is the subject of this thread. What the OP asked is, can a person's chart show that the person is likely to have what the MAJORITY of the members of society considers beautiful? That's the real question.

posted October 17, 2009 01:36 AM            

Its easy to fake being beautiful, just inject some collagen in your lips and stuff your boobies with saline implants and voila, you're a sex pot! Or at least that is what American/western culture wants us to believe.

I have to say that I have my own indulgences, such as bleaching my hair, which is just conforming to western standards of beauty, but its fun!

posted October 17, 2009 01:39 AM            

"Its easy to fake being beautiful, just inject some collagen in your lips and stuff your boobies with saline implants and voila, you're a sex pot!"

also putting on certain makeup
also getting perms to make hair wavy/curly,relaxers to straighten hair.

as well as things like plastic surgery like nose jobs as well as dermal procedures like face lifts, dermabrasion,chemical peels,laser surfacing.

BTW My mother was a cosmetologist,and so she was paid to help women look good. She was mainly a hairdresser.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 17, 2009 02:35 AM            

She has a Cancer Ascendant/1st house with 1st house ruler Moon in Scorpio in 5th trine Mercury in Cancer in 1st with 3'24 orb and Uranus in Cancer in 1st with 2'33 orb.

her Ascendant makes the following aspects in the declinations:

her Ascendant makes the following aspects in the ecliptic longitude:

conjunct Jupiter in Cancer in 1st - 4'17
parallel Jupiter - '08
(Jupiter-Ascendant occulation
conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet/plutino,Orcus - '10
(very similar to Pluto)
square asteroid dwarf planet,Ceres in Libra in 4th - 2'36
oppose Mars in Capricorn R in 7th - 5'37
trine Saturn in Scorpio R in 5th - 2'52
conj
parallel Sun - '14
parallel Mercury - '18
parallel Venus - '29
parallel transneptunian dwarf planet,Pluto - '18

Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers believe that Sun has to do with the physical body. They believe that Ascendant has more to do with one's environment,relationships.

Her Sun in Gemini in 12th makes the following aspects:

trine Neptune in Libra R in 4th - 1'25
sextile transneptunian dwarf planet, Pluto in Leo in 2nd - '54
parallel transneptunian dwarf planet, Pluto - '03
(Sun-Pluto bilevel)
sextile transneptunian dwarf planet,Haumea in Leo in 2nd - 1'53
parallel Mercury - '04
parallel Venus - '14
parallel Jupiter - '06

Venus is said to be the planet of beauty,attraction

Her Venus in Cancer in 1st makes the following aspects:
(excluding the parallel ones with the Sun and Ascendant)

conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet,Makemake in Cancer in 1st - '12
conjunct Uranus in Cancer in 1st - 3'39
parallel Uranus - '45
(Venus-Uranus occultation
square Neptune in Libra in 4th - 1'35
square transneptunian dwarf planet candidate,Sedna in Aries in 10th - '25
parallel Jupiter - '21
parallel transneptunian dwarf planet,Pluto - '10

In Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude), her Ascendant aspects the following
sextile transneptunian dwarf planet, Pluto - 1'29 (note: she has Pluto-Ascendant in both equatorial coordinates, both Right Ascension and declination..that's very significant)
sextile transneptunian dwarf planet,Haumea - '20

in Right Ascension,her Sun aspects the following:
trine Neptune - 1'01
trine transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino Ixion - 1'12
(very similar to Pluto)

in Right Ascension, her Venus aspects the following
square Sedna - '02 (much narrower than in the regular chart)
square Neptune - 5'05 (much wider than in the regular chart)

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 17, 2009 04:12 AM            

quote:

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I still think that it really depends on what one perceives is beautiful though. perceptions are relative.

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Completely agree.

posted October 17, 2009 07:49 AM              

my Mother!

she remembers me a mix of Gina Lolobrigida with Briggite Bardot

i put some asteroids of classical beauties in it and look:she hasnt got the ones you listed,instead she has

- Venus in 7h cj Audrey Hepburn
- ASC Virgo cj Kleopatra and Grace Kelly
- Jup cj ASC
- kiron with nep in the 1st:maybe this one makes her feel wounded in her beauty?and neptune there gives her an air of dreamy look.

what do you htink that in her chart.gives her that beautiful look?

posted October 17, 2009 11:54 AM            

I hate to look at me at a picture. I always looking ugly, also as young.

It is not how you looking at a picture or photograf which say you are beautyful or not. If you attract people like talk and listen and if people be happy to be around you, you are physichal beaty. If people want to be with you it describe your inner feeling.

posted October 17, 2009 12:41 PM            

quote:

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"I still think that it really depends on what one perceives is beautiful though. perceptions are relative."

Completely agree.

I read that certain celebrities frequently make "the most beautiful" lists, whom I don't consider to be good looking at all. Same with friends, they'll eye off or mention someone and I think "really?!" and vice versa. Make me laugh and/or say something that I think is interesting - most likely I'll find you better looking than I did a few minutes before.

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I feel this way, too.

posted October 17, 2009 11:08 PM            

the discoverers of minor planets get to name the objects that they discover.

quite a few are named after celebrities like seanconnery,misterrogers,rafaelnadal

heck...I have jesseowens conjunct my Sun in Scorpio in 3rd within 1 degree,and I was a very fast runner. I was on the track team,but I wasn't on for long because of bad grades. My Saturn quincunx the Sun-Jesseowens conjunction.

personal name asteroids can be very meaningful http://www.astrologynyc.org/ncgrnyc-articleh.html

there are naming rules for the centaurs and transneptunians

as you know, centaurs are named after mythological characters that were centaurs or even connected to centaurs in a major way
for example, the first centaur was named after Chiron who wasn't of the race of centaurs that were descended from Ixion.
quite a few centaurs are named after centaurs from the race that descended from Ixion. there is a centaur named Chariklo,and that was named after Chiron's wife. She wasn't a centaur. she was a nymph.

some astrologers also suggested names for the some centaurs,and they got accepted. Nessus was the first.

Plutinos which have 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune are named after underworld characters. Pluto is the first plutino. the dwarf planet candidates, Orcus and Ixion are plutinos and they are named after underworld characters.

cubewanos which are classical kuiper belt objects are named after gods of creation.
the dwarf planet,Makemake is cubewano. So are the dwarf planet candidates,Quaoar and Varuna.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 18, 2009 12:09 AM            

I can understand asteroids named after mythological figures, but actual 20th century celebrities, that doesn't feel right. Traditionally, a lot of thought went into naming astral bodies. I wonder what is the thought process behind naming these asteroids, other than the whim of the astronomer who discovered them...

posted October 18, 2009 01:14 AM            

many asteroids are named in honor of people. Some are named after astronomers as well as other scientiists and not just the old ones like Johannes Kepler,Sir Isaac Newton. but modern astronomers. Some are named after science fairs finalists/winners. Some are named after concepts. Magnanimity,Compassion,and Solidarity were named to honor the fallen people of the 9-11 attacks.

it was ok to give mythological deity names at first because not many asteroids were discovered. the first 4 asteroids that were named were thought to be planets for around 40 years. One of them is the only asteroid to be classed as dwarf planet because of its size which leads it to be in hydrostatic equilibrium so that it's round,and that's Ceres. It's also a protoplanet just like Vesta and Pallas are. They are not the typical asteroids.

Astronomers are now saving mythological names for the transneptunian objects, especially the big ones. There are over 1,000 transneptunians including Pluto that have been discovered. the second transneptunian discovered,1992 QB1 doesn't even have a name yet. The classification,cubewano is based on that object which is a classical kuiper belt object.

there are quite a few big transneptunian objects with no names yet including 3 transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.

Centaurs including Chiron number over 60 now. There aren't many names of mythological centaurs and ones connected to centaurs left. There is complication with them too.

2002 TX300 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%2855636%29_2002_TX300

2005 AW197 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%2855565%29_2002_AW197

2007 OR10 nicknamed "Snow White" is the largest object to not have a name yet. It's between the size of Sedna and Orcus. It hasn't been assigned a minor planet number because the orbit hasn't been fully determined. Once a minor planet number is assigned, then it's ready to get a name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_OR10

here is a minor planet ephemeris generator by Jonathan Dunn. I love it because it also shows astronomical coordinates like perihelion/aphelion,perigree/apogee,nodes (geocentric,heliocentric),right ascension,and declination.

http://www.true-node.com/

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted October 18, 2009 02:20 AM            

Amazing. Thanks again for all the info.

Since a new moon started a couple of hours ago, I guess I am learning something new. It sounds fascinating... I have resisted going out of my traditional astrology comfort zone, but it is a new moon, so I guess it's no coincidence.

posted October 18, 2009 02:58 AM            

i feel like anything i say would be redundant!

my CURRENT love interest... the leo i have my panties in a bunch over... he is EXCEPTIONALLY beautiful... like he could totally be a male model. he's gorgeous. he's an afro-brazilian tall drink of water!

i honestly don't see anything remarkable in his chart pertaining to his physical appearance. here are the aspects his venus in leo makes to other planets:

venus square moon
conjunct mercury
square jupiter
trine chiron

he's also overwhelmingly fire, with a pluto singleton (only air planet) and a uranus singleton (only water planet). mercury and mars are in virgo. everything else is a fire planet.

maybe all that fire makes him as hot as he is? LOL.

*fans self*

of course, i have no idea about his angles, because i've purposely not allowed myself to find out his birth time, because i'm trying to minimise my potential to obsess over the synastry. so he may well have venus on the angles, who knows.

i have a feeling we have strong synastry on the angles and that he is either an aquarius or leo rising, because that would put my sun and mars in his 1st or 7th houses and explain a lot!!! but he's too quiet and brooding for a fire/air ascendant, but too classically goodlooking for his ascendant to be in awater/earth sign, imo.

hope no one gets offended, we all know there are great looking people with all kinds of placements, but i feel that the classically handsome types like him usually have an air ascendant. hey!!! i could be wrong!!! it'll be interesting to find out when/if i feel it's appropriate to ask him his birth time

posted October 18, 2009 07:39 AM              

thank you for the complimments on my Mon.

but you see...she´s like that and in her chart,she doenst have the "regular"beauty aspects.

so maybe beauty doesnt show up in a chart,and it is we who must love ourselves as we are,see us as beautiful people,and that will be showned to others,through a special light our eyes spread.

Also...here+s a thought:when i was younger,i never considered myself beautiful.i had a beautiful eye and hair but whenever i looked at my pictures i didnt saw that "i dont know what is,but she´s got a special thing goin´on..."

but since i started this LOA thing,i became also more spiritual and believe it or not....i never was so good looking as i am now!

really...if i compare my photo when i was 18,and now that im 26,i dont seem the same person.

So...what if we can change our looks,by seeing ourselves as perfect,as we are?it might be a matter of perception,beauty.

posted October 18, 2009 01:41 PM            

I kind of agree with what you're saying.

I was born into a family of very beautiful women -- my mother was the belle of her community and people even named their daughters after her. Her sister (my Aunt) was also very beautiful.

I was really awkward and downright ugly for awhile in my childhood/preteen years. I was a really cute, chubby little girl until about 7 or 8 and then from about 8 or 9 til about 14 I was just downright tall and ugly and chubby.

I mean, I remember boys used to talk about the pretty girls they liked and then they would joke about asking me out, because I was ugly and then they would scrunch up their faces and laugh!

I used to wonder, how can two attractive people like my parents end up with such an ugly daughter? They must be so disappointed!

I remember being 13 and 14 and praying and praying to God to make me pretty somehow, make my nose smaller PLEEEEASE, with so much conviction... and I had already learned that whatever I prayed for so fervently, I always got, for better or for worse.

I do believe in God still, but I do believe that prayer is a form of the LOA, too.

The summer between 9th & 10th grades, I had one of those "transformations"... I came back to school and I remember the first day back, it felt like the whole school stopped when I walked in and suddenly, I was considered one of the hot girls.

It was such a huge 180 degree change for me and how I was perceived at school. But I really feel like it was something I willed to happen.

I don't consider myself beautiful, I have a lot of flaws. I have a birthmark on my face and I still have a roman nose. But my features are very strong and sensual, I have a lot of sex appeal. I know men see me and think "HOLY CRAP ... I wanna f#ck her!"... classic beauty? Not so much. I think my physical features manifest exactly as you expect from someone with my chart!

I have Libra Rising, and my chart ruler (Venus) is exactly conjunct Neptune and exactly sextile my 1st house Pluto. I have the Sun & Mars conjunct in the 5th house and they are in a close trine with my ASC (2 & 3 degree trine).

I think Libra/Venus make me super duper curvy and feminine. I have a 27 inch waist and 38 inch hips. The 1st house Pluto also makes me look very Scorpionic... I have really high cheekbones, kind of feline eyes and that roman nose I was lamenting to God about when I was 14, haha.

But my Sun/Mars conjunction gives my personality a lot of masculine traits and I'm really athletic, I compete in strong woman events and practice martial arts. I'm pretty muscular and stronger than even most men my size in the gym.

posted October 18, 2009 01:57 PM            

You sound like you're a knockout! A lot of people appear awkward during their teen years and appear much more attractive as adults.

Yeah, I have seen gorgeous couples produce ugly children and vice versa. Every person regardless of their level of beauty has ugly and pretty features. When a kid is a born, some will hit the jackpot and inherit the best features of both parents. Some are really unlucky and inherit the worst features. Most of us, however, inherit some good and some bad features. Genetics is really just one big lottery!