posted November 11, 2009 05:04 PM            

Awowls: Do you mean venus in transit in hard aspect to AC/DC?. It can't be in SA because I have SA venus for 2 years ago in conj my Natal AC/Sun conj.

If hard transit aspect make SA to work I don't beleive on it either. I have in long time have transit Pluto opposite my venus/NN/mars. Saturn also square my stellium venus/NN/mars.

Below Is strong. No one can say anything else.

Now exactly SA wertex/amor conj my DC
SA briede conj pluto
SA pluto conj my
valentin/Siva/Ixion conj.
SA BML/Ceres conj my destinn and soon also psyche.

I also have in Sec progress chart venus conj my SUN/AC conj in leo.. Appl
My Sec progres AC also conj exactly my DC ruler uranus '1 sep

My sec progress moon in next summer conj my DC. Maybe the process will be started in summer 2010 but i will think all my strong SA its over in that time.

posted November 11, 2009 05:22 PM            

"Awowls: Do you mean venus in transit in hard aspect to AC/DC?. It can't be in SA because I have SA venus for 2 years ago in conj my Natal AC/Sun conj."
That would be a strong SA, if it had been exact.
And I am sure you felt it.
But maybe just not in a relationship context.
Don`t forget Venus is not just symbolic of love and relationships, but indicative of other things you love, too. Like you could have discovered a new hobby, having had a more active social life, or since it was aspecting your aSC, there could have been developments concerning your perception of your SELF.

I am having pr ASC conjunct Venus, and even though ther eis no romance, relationships of every kind have been very important in the last year, as has been my perception of myself as a woman, which ties perfectly into the symbolism, too.

There is always a certain range of symbolism; there is no single aspect that sais this WILL lead into marriage.

"have in long time have transit Pluto opposite my venus/NN/mars. Saturn also square my stellium venus/NN/mars."
And you didn`t feel the tension in your relationships and in your own way of approaching one-on-one relationships?
There have been no changes, no inner transformations, not even the blocking of these matters?

Saturn in hard aspect is still no joy, especially not as a transit.

I only see Saturn as triggering an event like the beginning of a relationship or marriage, if Saturn rules the ASC or DESC.

"Below Is strong. No one can say anything else."
I can.

Hey, you challenged me. Tell a Sag-Sun / Aqua-Moon that she can`t do anything, and she will say: I can.

But let`s get serious again:

"Now exactly SA wertex/amor conj my DC"
The Vertex-DESC is interesting.
I am not totally sure about the validity or interpretation of Vertex though.
Yet, there could be "life-turning" events surrounding relationships.
But again, relationship does not necessarily mean romantic relationship.
And even the absence of a romantic relationship, can be very "soul-shaking" so to speak.
Vertex only sais there is a turning point; it doesn`t say into which direction. Towards relationship, away from relationship. Towards a more inner development, towards outer development.

"A briede conj pluto
SA pluto conj my
valentin/Siva/Ixion conj.
SA BML/Ceres c"onj my destinn and soon also psyche."
Sorry, to say that, but without accompanying angle-SA`s I don`t think these are too strong, at least not in terms of relationship.

I find the SA Pluto - Valentine one interesting though.

Also BML is not only about sexual attraction, this one has also a darker face and often leads to situations of repulsion, aversion and maybe even unrequited feelings.
Ceres has more to do with nurturing and caring in a motherly sense.

"I also have in Sec progress chart venus conj my SUN/AC conj in leo.."
Similiar as in mine. And I gave you a possible interpretation for this.

Besides I think first you have to be ready inside for a relationship, then the relationship will come.
And often we think we are ready (because we want to), but we are not.
But this would lead us too far from this thread now maybe.

EDIT:
I didn`t mean YOU specifically, but was speaking of a general You, pertaining to many people.

posted November 11, 2009 05:43 PM            

I have been ready for on off relationship from 2003 in to summer 2009. But ok if the life not will get me a real love relationship... I can't do nothing to that.

For me all that SA aspect show a new strong relationship and that is just what I want. I have not no new intresting in my life either so...

Everything have two side so..OK even the aspect.

You can have the best relationship aspect in transit/SEC progres/SA and so on ...but why would you use it?, if it not works!

posted November 11, 2009 06:00 PM            

And all of my relationship SA aspect is far away and useless.

posted November 11, 2009 07:01 PM              

why dont you do this?see it as an exercise,of what you really want in Love..?

im into LOA that is why im saying this...

send out an intention to the Universe.write in a piece of paper the qualities you want your lover to have. write how you would like to meet him.by doing that you will be feeling it,you will be picturing it in your mind like if it is happening.

the energy you will emanate then will attract the right partner to you.

Meditate and be as happy as you can be in Life.Be happy with you first.as you are now.value the little things in Life.Love yourself trully and deeply.Dont judge yourself.Dont doubt...have Faith.

Dont ask why he didnt showed up yet.Know that he will appear in its own perfect time,for your highest Good.

Send out your intention and say to the Universe:i am ready to love cause i am Love Itself.

posted November 11, 2009 07:55 PM            

ok guinea pig here..

2 marriages.

1st marriage -

hard aspects only under 2'

SA venus cj N MARS (0)
SQ AC square N VENUS (0)
no hard vertex aspects.

2nd marriage -
SA VENUS square N MC (0)
SA URANUS opp n VENUS (0)
no hard aspect vertex

posted November 12, 2009 06:07 AM            

the perception shapes the experiences.

I have seen nothing yet, that convinces me that SA does not work in your chart. But it is YOUR perception that matters to YOU.
so if you don´t like SA, don´t use it.
Simple as that.

"I know the Sec progress work."
Yet, you have a Venus-Sun/ASC progression in secondary progreesion and no relationship so far. So I am a bit puzzled that you say they work.
if you really believe that Venus-aspects always lead to relationships (I don´t think so thouhg) and you have one but no relationship, wouldn´t the conclusion be that they do not work for you?

I would be interested though if you were having Venus SA or progressions at the time of your marriage.

posted November 12, 2009 06:12 AM            

"SA venus cj N MARS (0)
SQ AC square N VENUS (0)
no hard vertex aspects."
Was your first marriage a passionate one? Or were you especially passionate?

And you also have the Venus-Angle-hard aspect.

"2nd marriage -
SA VENUS square N MC (0)
SA URANUS opp n VENUS (0)
no hard aspect vertex"
Was it electric? Love at first sight? Erratic? Unpredictable?

Oh and again a Venus-Angle-hard aspect.

Interestingly no Vertex aspects, maybe Vertex is not the deciding factor here?

But as a conclusion I would say SA did work for you in both your marriages.

posted November 12, 2009 06:27 AM            

My first mirrage in time
Sec progr
P Sun sext N venus
P Asc conj N eros
P venus sext N pluto
P mars sext N pluto

SA only follow

SA Sun/ASC sext N venus
SA venus trine N nept
SA jupiter sext N Sun/ASC

My second mirrage with a pisces man in 15 year

sec progres

P Sun sext N N.N
P Sun sext N Mars
P venus trine N nept
P mars trine N neptu
P wertex sextil N.N nept
P MC sext N saturn in pisces
P ASC trine BML

SA progres

SA Sun/ASC sext N N.N/MA
SA Jupit sext N MC
SA pluto square N mars

I have an explosion of aspect from my SA to my natal and nothing special happends in my life so what should I say.

When I compare SA now and with my first and second mirrage... So many aspect in SA I have now I never believe I have in my life before, I've not much SA aspect in time of my two mirrage.

I se strong aspect in second progression in my both mirrage.

DD: My Sec progres Venus 9,29 and my sun 10,47 and my ASC 10,42.

posted November 12, 2009 06:29 AM            

BTW from the aspects you posted I don`t see any very strong aspects neither in progressed nor in SA.

The Eros-ASC in progression looks rather strong, but would relate more to erotic attraction than marriage.

posted November 12, 2009 07:10 AM            

And you also have the Venus-Angle-hard aspect.

"2nd marriage -
SA VENUS square N MC (0)
SA URANUS opp n VENUS (0)
no hard aspect vertex"
Was it electric? Love at first sight? Erratic? Unpredictable?

Sorry DD, i mixed them up!

posted November 12, 2009 07:57 AM            

"DD
12 januari 1982
1 september 1984
Eros/ASC progression. Yes it was only erotic attraction. I don't love him. I understand that after time
Yes DD SA pluto square mars. Pluto are my 5 house ruler. I can't deny. It was strong feelings."

To me it seems, as if both, secondary progressions and Solar Arc directions, were very fitting.

Lara,

yes, Venus-Mars can also be destructive at times, when the passions get out of hand. The controlling factor probably would be found somewhere else in the charts, maybe even in his natal chart.

Or were there nasty SAturn and Pluto-progressions, SA directions or even synastric aspects? (in the case of Saturn and Pluto I would also count the conjunction as potentially troublesome, because the intensity of an conjunction added to the intensity that Saturn and Pluto bring on themselves, can be very overwhelming)

posted November 12, 2009 08:30 AM            

1st marriage:

Progressions:
pr Venus square MC (0°21 a)
pr ASC square ruler of 5th house (1°50 a)

Solar Arc:
SA Pluto square Venus
SA Pluto square IC-ruler
SA 5th house ruler square Venus, ruler of IC
SA intercepted 5th house ruler square Uranus and Pluto
SA intercepted 5th house ruler square ruler of DESC
SA intercepted 5th house ruler square 5th house ruler

2nd marriage:

secondary progressions:
pr Venus conjunct pr Mars
pr IC ruler conjunct pr MC ruler
pr ASC exact square intercepted 5th house ruler

posted November 13, 2009 06:07 AM            

In my second mirrage SA pluto square my mars could also be a divorce aspect. I divorced and mirrage in the same time.

SA venus conj Sun/ASC is not a mirrage aspect. I know that because it was not long time ago I had it.

It will be intrested to follow my SA pluto conj my N valentine/Siva/Kaali which I am in now. After that pluto will be trine my N venus.

In a year or two or so My SA Sun square my N venus and as times go also my N.N and mars.

posted November 13, 2009 06:24 AM            

no I don`t count the sextile, it is too weak to make anything happen. Stronger aspects will easily trump it.

"In my second mirrage SA pluto square my mars could also be a divorce aspect."
Yes, it certainly is a sign of very strong tensions and maybe even aggressiveness or even hostility. At least a strong energy.

Actually you have to interprete this aspect twice:
1. only considering the nature of the planets
2. considering the planets as houserulers

"SA venus conj Sun/ASC is not a mirrage aspect. I know that because it was not long time ago I had it. "
Yes, it is, or more precisely, it potentially is.
That is what astrology about, indicating potential.

I think I already have mentioned it once or twice in this thread, but I am repeating it once again.

Certain aspects (including Venus-ASC for ex) will be present at the time of a relationship or marriage.

BUT

You cannot conclude that because this aspect exists in your SA or pr chart, a marriage will happen as a guarantee.

The reason for this (that you cannot conclude this) is that all aspects have a range of interpretation.
The symbolism must always be consistent (otherwise astrology would get arbitrary and pretty useless), but there are several different possibilities of expression for one and the same aspect.

Example:

Venus-Sun:
There is a merging of the Venus-symbolism with the Sun-symbolism.

But Venus does not ONLY stand for love and relationship.
It can mean a lot of other things, too.

- attraction
- beauty
- laziness
- an inclination to consume too many sweets
- narcism
- a love affair
- an affectionate friendship
- marriage
- a business partnership involving the arts or fashion or make up industry
- art and creativity
- and so on (the list isn`t finished here)

So you can easily see, that even though all these ways of expression are consistent, meaning within the range of the VENUS-symbolism, the actual manifestation of this symbolism can be pretty different.

If we, on the other hand, look at an actual EVENT, we KNOW the area of expression, for example a marriage or childbirth or death, and so we can specifically look for the planets / aspects / houses, that have "marriage" as one form of their expression.

Did I make clear, where I see the difference? Or have I been confusing everyone now?

EDIT:
It may even play a role, what house Venus is ruling in your natal.
For ex. in my chart (Placidus) it rules 5th house, so Venus-progressions / Solar arcs will always be tied to 5th house things: children, education, loveaffairs, romance, creativity (everything that makes my heart sing. )

In another chart Venus may rule 4th or 10th house; in this chart Venus progressions may be more focused on the areas of family, home or career or parental relationships.
If Venus rules the 2nd house, finances may play a role.

posted November 13, 2009 08:02 AM              

it starts at 1:00 applying.

When do you think its most likely to manifest? Some people on here before have mentioned a max of 30 applying.

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posted November 13, 2009 09:05 AM            

It may also depend a little bit on the natal chart.

Let`s say, we have a conjunction between two planets natally. Then the most intense point could be at the midpoint of this conjunction, even if the SA isn´t exactly conjunct the first planet anymore.

Example:

Venus: 10 Cancer
Sun: 14 Cancer

I wouldn`t be surprised, if a SA planet on 12 Cancer would be exceptionally strong, even though technically the orb to each planet would be 2 degree.

posted November 13, 2009 03:57 PM            

I think I must change my mind . I must change and se it more as a positive growth in the life instead of blockage, difficulty and get into trouble and so on...

posted November 14, 2009 06:01 PM            

My SA Venus (chart ruler) squared my SA MC 2 degrees

My natal SA Venus quincunx my SA AC 0 degrees

My natal SA MC squares my SA Pluto (the SA chart ruler on that day) 0 degrees

My natal SA Mars (DC ruler) opposes my SA sun 0 degrees

My SA Venus semisextile my SA Sun 0 degrees

My SA Venus (AC ruler) biquintile my SA Mars (DC ruler)

posted November 16, 2009 10:48 AM              

Biography
Japanese commoner who married Prince Fumihito, later called Prince Akishino. She is the daughter of a university professor and met the Prince while they were university students. They married on June 29, 1990 at the Imperial Palace.

Their first child, a daughter, Mako, was born 10/23/1991, 11:41 PM JST and their second daughter, Kako, was born 12/29/1994, 9:20 AM. Their son was born by Caesarean section on September 6, 2006 at 8:27 AM local time in Tokyo (per BBC and MSN news reports).. Princess Kiko had been admitted to the hospital on August 16, 2006 for placentia previa and other complications and remained there until after the birth of her son, two weeks earlier than his due date. The child was named Prince Hisahito.

Her solar arc aspects,

SA VENUS opposing 7th house ruler SATURN

Transit Uranus conjunct DC

Her marriage lasted so i guess this also shows that uranus conjunct DC doesnt mean a bad or short lived marriage.

posted November 16, 2009 11:11 AM              

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