posted December 08, 2009 07:13 PM            

It's coz the persona charts tells the details of each object of our charts, so that even if our objects can be compatible according o our persona charts, it would still not be much relevant if these compatibilities are not triggered enough.

posted December 08, 2009 09:04 PM            

Example :
with me and Johnny my Eros is conjunct his ASC Natal and in his Eros Persona chart his MC is conjunct my natal sun.

posted December 09, 2009 01:51 AM            

you mean that the relevant soulmate pairs have to be triggered for BOTH couples, notonly one,right?

Ex:
His Psyche conjunct her ASC
her Eros conjunct his ASC

posted December 09, 2009 09:24 AM            

Johnny and I have Eros square Psyche in the natal
My natal Eros is conjunct his ASC

His Eros P MC is conjunct my sun 2 deg
His Eros p MC conjunct my Psyche 0 deg
My Psyche P MC is conjunct his venus 0 deg
My Eros p Eros is conjunct his Psyche 3 deg

I know that his Eros MC affects me I however am not sure how that Psyche MC affects him.

posted December 09, 2009 11:41 AM            

my eros trine his jupiter 1'
his eros trine my jupiter 2'
my eros trine his NN 0'
his eros cj my NN 4'
his eros cj my moon/venus 1'
his eros sextile my AC 0'
my psyche cj his AC 0'

my psyche square his moon 0' pluto 3'
his psyche opp my sun 3'

posted December 09, 2009 12:19 PM            

I think to be really felt Persona charts planets have to aspect natal planets / asteroids / angles.
As a matter of fact I think you will observe, too, that some of the natal aspects (natal or synastric) will get "hit" in various ways.

posted December 09, 2009 03:00 PM            

We could have Eros conjunct IC DW, but they are both less than 4ºdegrees. ;_;

My Mars Persona Chart/His Venus Persona Chart:
- His Venus oppose my Sun (2);
- His Sun oppose my Venus (0);
- His Moon conjunct my SN (2);
- His Venus oppose my Eros (1);
- His Venus conjunct my IC (2);
- His Mars conjunct my Karma (2);
- His NN conjunct my Mars (1);
- His SN conjunct my Saturn (2);
- His SN conjunct my Vertex (1);
- His SN conjunct my Valentine (1);
- His Vertex oppose my Vertex (2);
- His Eros oppose my Amor (0);
- His Psyche conjunct my DC (2);
- His Amor oppose my Destinn (0);
- His Karma oppose my Psyche (0);
- His Union oppose my Venus (1);
- His DC conjunct my BML (0);
- His AC conjunct my Union (2);

Hmm since the only aspect between our Mars/Venus is my Mars tightly quincunx his Venus, maybe my Mars/his Venus persona charts synastry is more relevant?

posted December 09, 2009 03:05 PM            

quote:

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Comica,

you mean that the relevant soulmate pairs have to be triggered for BOTH couples, notonly one,right?

Ex:
His Psyche conjunct her ASC
her Eros conjunct his ASC

But if it is only one aspect, then it would be somewhat onesided? Do you mean like that?

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Yeah, it's possibly one-sided, coz for example, between a couple, if only A's Eros is well activated in the synastry, then only A's Ero's persona will be more noticeable. It's like our objects' dormant persona qualities needs to be activated first.

posted December 09, 2009 04:21 PM            

his Mars / my Venus
---------------------

his Sun conjunct my Valentine (2)
his Venus conjunct my Venus (3)
his Venus opposite my Saturn 82)
his Eros conjunct my Mars (1)
his Eros conjunct my ASC (3)
his Eros conjunct my Amor (2)
his Psyche conjunct my ASC (2)
his Psyche conjunct my Mars (2)
his Psyche conjunct my Amor (3)

his Venus / my Mars
----------------------

his Sun conjunct my Neptune (2)
his Sun opposite my Psyche (2)
his Moon opposite my Pluto (1)
his DESC conjunct my Psyche (3)
his Neptune conjunct my Sun (2)
his Pluto conjunct my Karma (0)
his SN conjunct my Mars (1)
his Vertex opposite my Amor (1)
his Juno conjunct my Eros (3)
his Valentine conjunct my Moon (1)
his Valentine conjunct my ASC (1)
his Valentine opposite my Vertex (3)
his Union opposite my Amor (2)
his Destinn conjunct my Amor (3)
his Amor opposite my Destinn (0)

posted December 09, 2009 08:08 PM            

My Valentine is conjunct Johnny Vertex natal
so should I compare his vertex persona to my valentine persona to get the true story or only compare to the natal?

posted December 10, 2009 11:55 AM            

logically it would make sense to compare Vertex to VAlentine, BUT I am a bit hesitant as it could easily get too much we are looking at.

I still think that the most direct effects will be felt with a comparision between Persona chart and natal.
Maybe the persona charts of the same asteroid or soulmate couple, too.

Well, I took a step back again and looked at the comparision of the PErsona Valentine.

his natal / my Valentine
his Sun conjunct my Valentine
his Sun conjunct my Eros
his Venus opposite my Moon
his Venus opposite my Psyche
his Mars conjunct my Sun
his Valentine opposite my Valentine
his Valentine opposite my Eros

my natal & his Valentine
my Sun opposite his Saturn
mz DESC conjunct his Moon
my ASC conjunct his Juno
my IC conjunct his Mars
my Venus opposite his Sun
my Venus conjunct his NN
my Mars opposite his Moon
my NN conjunct his Juno
my Psyche conjunct his DESC
my Psyche opposite his Eros

I noticed that there were some complimentary aspects>

his natal Venus opposite my VP Moon
my natal Venus opposite his VP Sun

his natal Mars conjunct my VP Sun
my natal Mars opposite his VP Moon

Can you see that *crossing* of two soulmate pairings (Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars)

Do you have something like this, too?

EDIT:
Forgot VAL - VAL

posted December 10, 2009 12:23 PM            

PLUTO - PLUTO
his Moon opposite my jUpiter
his Psyche conjunct my NN
his Valentine conjunct my Moon

his natal - my PLUTO
his ASC ocnjunct my Eros
his Jupiter conjunct my DESC
his Destinn conjunct my DEsc
his NN conjunct my DESC
his Karma opposite my Pluto
his Karma conjunct my Valentine

my natal - his PLUTO
my Moon conjunct his ASC
my NN conjunct his MC
my Karma opposite his Juno
my Eros oppospite his Karma
my Valentine conjunct his Psyche

his VALENTINE - my PLUTO
his ASC conjunct my Juno
his Saturn conjunct my Mars
his Valentine conjunct my Saturn
his Juno conjunct my Eros
his Eros conjunct my Juno

his PLUTO - my VALENTINE
his Sun conjunct my Karma
his MOon conjunct my Destinn
his ASC widely conjunct my ASC (4)
his SAturn opposite my Eros
his SN conjunct my Mars
his NN conjunct my Eros
his Destinn conjunct my Amor
his Juno oppositemy Moon
his Juno opposite my Psyche
his Psyche conjunct my Sun
his Valentine conjunct my Juno

There seems to be a Juno-Eros-Psyche link

his VP Juno conjunct my PP Eros
his VP Eros conjunct my PP Juno
his PP Juno opposite my VP Psyche

posted December 11, 2009 04:26 AM            

"Orban and Zinnel have discovered that the horoscope for the moment at which the
Sun first traverses the position of Mars in the birth chart is an expression of
the sub-personality corresponding to Mars. Like a solar horoscope, the chart for
this moment can be interpreted as a “natal chart” for that
person’s Mars-personality, the Mars persona chart.

One can calculate a chart for each of the nine planets, from the Moon to Pluto.
The persona chart for the Sun is the natal chart itself. There are bound to be
astrologers in the future who will who will set up Chiron personas, personas for
the Moon’s nodes, the ascendant and so on. The fascinating thing about
persona charts is that the basic idea is so convincing – that in passing,
the Sun awakens the sub-personalities.

Interpreting Persona Charts

Here is a very short guide to the interpretation of persona charts, according to
Orban and Zinnel.

The Moon Persona Chart
The feminine in us, our feeling worlds, the inner child, emotional security.
This tells us a lot about the inner life of a person.

The Mercury Persona Chart
Outward mobility, articulation, intelligence, communicating with the outer
world, dealing with daily necessity.

The Venus Persona Chart
Joy in the senses, Eros and sexual pleasure, sensual delight, the way we relate
to other people, problems we might have to deal with in relationships.

The Mars Persona Chart
The inner warrior, self-assertion, how one takes a stand, the kinds of battles
one fights, with what means one fights them and to what purpose.

The Jupiter Persona Chart
The meaning of life, the inner therapist, where we put the
“religion” in our lives.

The Saturn Persona Chart
The law, our mission in life, things fate wants to teach us and things we
don’t like to learn.

The Uranus Persona Chart
Where to let go, where to be free, and where we find the “fool” and
“jester”.

The Neptune Persona Chart
The search for truth, pushing past falsehood to what lies beyond.

The Pluto Persona Chart
The battle with demons, with forces that want to keep us from life. Fixed images
and ideologies.

When working with persona charts, one should bear the following points in mind:

1) The most important sub-personality is the “Ruler of 1”. For
example, anyone with an ascendant in Libra should take a good look at their
Venus persona chart. The persona chart for the planet which rules the ascendant
can give us a lot of insight.

2) The persona chart for the Moon tells us about the feminine energies of a
person. Just as the natal chart is the Sun-persona chart or Yang-chart, so the
Moon persona chart is the Yin-chart. In this sense it is the horoscope of the
anima, the feminine counterpart. Tuning in to her means going in search of her
story.

3) The ascendant of a persona chart leads us deeply into the unconscious. It
shows where the unconscious strives toward the light.

4) The Sun in a persona chart is regarded as the ego of the sub-personality. Not
as THE EGO!! Saturn too has an “ego”, a will-to-be. The persona-ego
is always partly familiar, since the Sun occupies the zodiacal degree of the
planet involved. However, there is no way in which we can tell which house it
will be in. This tells us considerably more about how the sub-personality will
behave.

5) The midheaven (MC) of the persona-chart shows the fate of the
sub-personality. At the same time, it represents the quintessence of the path to
be taken, from the (subconscious) ascendant to the “Light of
Consciousness” at the midheaven. One cannot tell how far each person will
go, since this seems to depend on the intensity of the individual effort.

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posted December 11, 2009 10:29 AM            

I was thinking if a mans Eros makes good aspect in the natal and persona then the woman is affected.

For the man we should look at the womans Aphrodite natal and persona.

posted December 11, 2009 11:16 AM            

His Aphrodite P vs my natal

His ASC conjunct my Aphrodite(his point of obsession)
His venus conjunct my jupiter and sun
His MC conjunct my IC

My Aphrodite P vs his natal

posted December 11, 2009 11:25 AM            

I actually like the pairing of Eros - Aphrodite. I know they are no soulmate pair like Eros and Psyche, but their symbolism is comparable, like the masculine and feminine form of erotic / sexual attraction.

Regarding Persona charts I always find it interesting to check for the corresponding asteroids / planets in aspect - so in this case Aphrodite in the P-chart to your natal.
Or maybe your Eros in the Eros P chart to his natal.
The reason for this is that the corresponding asteroids / planets are like the purest possible form of this energy.
So it probably cannot get more alluring like Aphrodite in the Aphrodite chart or more erotic than Eros in the Eros chart.

Of course the others are also important, especially Sun, Moon, ASC, NN, Pluto and for the sexually vibrating charts Mars andNVenus, too.
And IQ probably would say Saturn.

Anyway, as Eve pointed out in a recent thread on persona charts, the ASC of this chart is where you "fall into" the subperson, the directest link.
So in his case his ASC conjunct your Aphrodite could mean that whenever you emphasise your feminity, his attraction-pattern will be triggered. Seems to be a very seductive appeal.

"My ASC conjunct his Moon"
His emotional core or even his way of caring for others or his instinctual habits will trigger your own Aphrodite-personality. He makes you feel like a (attractive) woman?

posted December 11, 2009 11:37 AM            

My Eros P Eros is conjunct his Eros.

His natal lust is conjunct my natal ASC
His natal Jenny Taylor is conjunct his 8th house cusp.

In his Lust persona His sun is conjunct my ASC obviously

posted December 11, 2009 11:47 AM            

My APHRODITE PERSONA - his natal

my P DESC conjunct his NN, Jupiter and Destinn

my P MC conjunct his Eros

my P Moon and P Aphrodite conjunct his Psyche

my P Eros exact conjunct his ASC

my P Valentine conjunct his Karma

his APHRODITE PERSONA - my natal

his P ASC Conjunct my Chiron

his P Moon exactly conjunct my nameasteroid

his P Venus conjunct my nameasteroid

his P NN conjunct my Venus

his P Valentine conjunct my Saturn

his P Aphrodite exact on my SN
his P Aphrodite opposite my ASC

With Andy it looks like this:

my Aphrodite P - his natal

my P Saturn conjunct his Karma and Jupiter

my P Sun conjunct his Mars

Now that is one unexiting Persona chart. lol

his Aphrodite P - my natal

This one doesn`t seem so unexciting though.

his P ASC conjunct my ASC
his P ASC conjunct my NN exactly!
his P ASC conjunct my Neptune, Lust, Angel. lol

his P MC conjunct my MC and Pluto

his p Sun conjunct my Jupiter and Juno

his P Moon conjunct my Venus

his P Venus AND Aphrodite opposite my Pluto

his P Venus and Aphrodite opposite my Aphrodite

his P Mars ocnjunct my Uranus
his P Valentine opposite my Uranus
(does that mean I could shake him up a little bit )

his P Eros conjunct my Moon

posted December 11, 2009 11:51 AM            

LOL That is ONE erotic combination, isn`t it?

Yes, that was what I meant.

I also tend to have a slight affinity to the Aphrodite PErsona chart for a man and the Eros Persona chart for a woman in aspect to someone else`s natal.
I think the pull of attraction would be very strong.
It would be like someone came along and just seems the embodiment of your Eros. In this regard even looking at Adonis would make sense, as he was actually the mythological counterpart to Aphrodite, the most beautiful male on earth.

posted December 11, 2009 11:58 AM            

In his Lust persona His sun is conjunct my ASC 1 deg obviously

His mars conjunct my sun 1 deg
His moon conjunct my lust 2 deg
His lust persona lust conjunct his natal jennifer 0 deg
His valentine conjunct my natal SN

I forget wich chart but in one of them his groom is conjunct my bride and my bride conjunct his groom. DW!

posted December 11, 2009 12:21 PM            

His Moon persona eros conjunct my mars
His Moon P juno conjunct my Sun and Psyche

His eros persona Venus conjunct my Aphrodite and vertex.