posted December 11, 2009 12:36 PM            

my MP sun cj his n eros (1)
my MP sun opp his n saturn (1)
my MP moon cj his n moon (2) cupid (1)
my MP venus cj his sun/moon mp (1)
my MP mars opp his n sun (2)
my MP saturn cj his n venus (0)
my MP vertex opp his n sun (2)
my MP karma cj his n NN (1)
my MP aphrodite opp his n groom (1) cupid (0)
my MP eros cj his n karma (1)
my MP psyche cj his n NN (0)
my MP union cj his n pluto (1)
my MP AC cj his n persephone (0) and my valentine (2)

posted December 11, 2009 03:32 PM            

In his Lust persona His sun is conjunct my ASC 1 deg obviously

His mars conjunct my sun 1 deg
His moon conjunct my lust 2 deg
His lust persona lust conjunct his natal jennifer 0 deg
His valentine conjunct my natal SN

His valentine P chart vs my natal
his groom is conjunct my natal briede and his bride is conjunct my natal Groom. DW!

In a lot of the persona charts his valentine is conjunct my venus

Looked at his Moon persona

His Moon persona eros conjunct my mars
His Moon P juno conjunct my Sun and Psyche
his valentine conjunct my ASC

His eros persona Venus conjunct my Aphrodite and vertex.

posted December 12, 2009 08:18 AM              

does it make sense for example looking at Girls´s PS Proserpine,with guy´s PS PLuto ?

Look:

my Proserpine AC cj his Pl Osiris 0º
my Proserp PS IC cj Pl DSC 2º
MY Proserp PS Sun cj Pl PS Pluto 2º
my Proserp PS MOon cj Pl Valentine 2º
my Proserp PS Venus cj Pl VERTEX 0º
MY pROserp PS Mars cj Pl Amor 2º
My proserp PS NODE cj Pl Valentine!!!
My Propserp PS JUNO cj PL ASC! 1º
My proserp PS PROSERPINA cj PL JUNO 1º!
My proserp PS KARMA cj PL DNA 1º
My proserp PS PERSEPHONE cj PL ANTIVERTEX 1º
My proserp PS DNA cj PL Moon 1º
my proserp PS OSIREIS cj wide PL KARMA 4º
My proserp PS ISIS cj PL NODE!2º
My proserp PS FELICITAS cj PL JUNO 0º

I LOVE THOSE!

MY ISIS PS CHART - HIS OSIRIS PERSONA CHART

My ASC cj his IC 1º WOW!

My Venus wide cj his Node
my mars/saaturn cj his VX 1º
My Pluto cj his Plut 0º
MY NODE cj his VALENTINE!!!! AGAIN WOW!!!

My PF opose his proserpina
My VERTEX cj his Venus| AGAIN!!!!QWOWO!!
My jUNO opose his Venus
My ISIS opose his Juno
My pERSEPHONE opose his FElicitas
My Amor cj his Moon 1º
my DNA CJ HIS PERSEPHONE AND ISIS!!!!
My ADOREA cj his IC

Isnt it an extreme coincidence that just in this both PS CHARTS we have the same aspects of Node-Valentine cj and of Venus-VX conjunct???

posted December 12, 2009 11:07 AM              

MY PS VALENTINE - HIS PS PLuto

my Moon cj his Venus and DSC 0º
MY jUP CJ HIS Juno 0º
my Pluto cj his Sun
My NODE CJ HIS ADOREA 0º
MY PF CJ HIS AMOR AND PROSERPINA 1º
my VALENTINE cj his DNA DW
My KARMA cj his AMOR
My persephone cj his Mars
mY PROSERPINA opose his amor and proserpina
My AMOR cj his ADOREA
My ADOREA cj his DNA 0º

My PS Pluto - his PS VALENTINE CHART

MY ASC cj his Felicitas 3º
My IC cj his OSIRIS 0º
My DSC CJ HIS NN IN 0º0´OMGGGGG!
My Sun cj his luto 0º
My NNode cj his Sun 1º
My JUNO cj his EROS 3º
my ISIS cj his ASC and his VALENTINE 1º!!
My FELICITAS CJ HIS FELICITAS 1º!!!

MY PSYCHE PS - HIS EROS PS CHART

MY ASC cj his DNA 3º
MY Moon cj his Isis 2º
my VENUS cj his ASC 1º
My Mars cj his DNA
My saturn cj his Amor 0º
My NODE WIDE cj his Valentine 5º!!
My JUNO is cj his KARMA 1º
My Psyche opose his Valentine 1º
mY Valentine opose his Isis 1º
mY FELICITAS cj his IC
MY PLUTO CJ HIS PSYCHE 0º!!!!
My UNION cj his UNION 0º!!!WOW

mY EROS PS CHART - HIS PSCYHE PS CHART

MY ASC cj his MC 0º
My Sun cj his Node 3º
My mars / Saturncj his Jup Felicitas 0º
My Jupiter cj his Isis and Osiris 1º/0º
mY SN cj his Eros 0º
mY NODE once again,wide cj his VALENTINE!
MY EROS cj his Mars 1º
My KARMA cj his AMOR 2º
My VALENTINE CJ HIS DNA!! 1º DW HERE!

My Amor cj his MC 1º
My DNA cj his UNION 2º
My FELICITAS opose his AMOR 0º

lOOK AT THAT DW OF Valentine-DNA!SEems to me that Valentine figure strongly in the True Love Soulmate Couples,isnt it?

posted December 12, 2009 11:54 AM            

EDIT:
Another reason for me feeling that there is no fun or meaning in this thread (just speaking for subjective me) is that all the communication has died down.
We are not communicating anymore, not even researching and concluding anymore, we are just listing masses of aspects.

Maybe it is my own fault and I started this, but I start wondering: What sense, what meaning is in all of this?

I mean we can compare any persona charts with each other, and we will find a Valentine-NN-conjunction or Valentine-Pluto-conjunction or Eros-Psyche conjunction with anyone, in any of these charts.
But if that is so, what significance do these charts hold, really?

I still think they have relevance, but I have to think about in what frame.

All I can really say for sure now is that the comparison of SN-Persona to SN persona seems to depict past lives, just as trpical and Draco planets to tropical SN do, or Draco planets to Draco planets.

But I can only say that for certain cause I invested the time to actually do an indepth interpretation.

I understand that others may not feel that inclination though.

posted December 12, 2009 12:01 PM            

any other thoughts?

posted December 12, 2009 12:09 PM            

With Neptune we have a very imaginative, spiritual Persona chart in front of us.
But Neptune is also big in illusions and very elusive.

So what does a Neptune - Persona chart really show?
And what does it mean if you have a Valentine-Pluto-conjunction in a Neptune Persona chart?

Vesta, what does this aspect tell you or mean to you?

posted December 12, 2009 12:12 PM            

I asked God for a change and it had to do with love to know what true love felt like that is when Johnny showed up and transformed everything.

posted December 12, 2009 12:25 PM            

could that be the link with neptune?

then his neptune valentine conjunct my pluto showing the lesson (transformation)
and my valentine conjunct his moon showing the feelings I wanted to experience.

posted December 12, 2009 12:53 PM            

I posted a list of aspects with a view to edit and interpret and then didn't have time to come back to it. My fault, i apologize.

posted December 12, 2009 09:02 PM            

My opinion on this is that persona charts might be relevant when it comes to understanding the deeper details, yet it's still not as relevant as our main natal charts. For example, the persona chart of our Moons can tell us further little details of our emotional nature, but an Aries Moon will always be an Aries Moon no matter how the persona chart is.

So my thoughts about persona charts synastries are:
- by comparing person A's <object> persona chart to person B's natal chart, we can check how much B fits in the ideal image A has about that object. Yet this is still not as relevant as A's <object> aspecting B's objects in their natal synastry.
For example, if A's Valentine persona chart has good compatibility with B's natal chart, then B is compatible with the ideal image of A's Valentine - but this is still not as relevant as A's natal Valentine conjunct B's natal ascendant.

- comparing two persona charts of persons A and B can show how their <object>'s sides are compatible with each other.
For example, if A and B's North Node persona charts are compatible, then their life paths might be compatible or even similar to each other's.

But well, I still think that again, no matter what, Aries Moon will always be Aries Moon regardless how its persona chart is, that persona charts alone might not be relevant enough, specially if there aren't any aspects with the persona chart's object itself in the natal synastry. The difference might be like between "this person kinda fits my ideal Valentine image" and "this person is my Valentine".

Anyways, some days ago, I wanted to make another post here lol X3 but not exactly another list of aspects thought. Well, me and my bf have opposed ascendants, so I thought that it would be interesting to do our AC/DC persona charts. And it was kinda interesting, as I was thinking that:
- by comparing our AC persona charts to each others' natal charts, it might tell how much we can identify ourselves with each other (for example, if his AC persona chart is compatible with my natal chart, then he might feel somehow identified with my way of being and vice versa);
- by comparing our DC persona charts to each other's natal, it might tell how much we fit into each other's ideal image of partner;
- by comparing one's DC persona chart to another's AC persona chart, it might tell further about how the AC persona chart person fits in the image of the DC persona chart's person's ideal image of partner.

And well, by comparing our AC persona charts, it might tell further about how similar/compatible our personalities/ways of being are; and by comparing our DC persona charts, it might tell if what we want in a partner is actually similar. Although the last one isn't exactly relevant, as it doesn't really matter that we have differences in what we want in our partners, as long as we fit into each other's ideal image of partner (doesn't matter if he's into artists and I'm into geeks, as long as I'm his ideal artist and he's my ideal geek lol).

But well, I didn't enough time to analyze these all and besides, I doubt that these boring analysis about me and my bf would ever interest everyone else here anyways lol~ XP

posted December 12, 2009 09:14 PM            

Also, outer planets moves slower, so if the couple's age difference isn't much, then they'd probably have a very similar <outer planet> persona chart.

So our Neptune persona charts can show our personal dreams, ideals and spiritualism, but also our inherited generational dreams, ideals and spiritualism.

Maybe before looking at Neptune persona charts in synastries, we should see first how relevant Neptune is in that person's natal chart first. Then we can see how "personal" Neptune is for this person, and further tell how these synastries are relevant between a couple.

posted December 13, 2009 05:38 AM            

I definitely would look at the NN-persona charts to see if the present lifepaths are compatible. Also to the SN-persona charts to see if there may have been past life experiences.

I also was thinking about the Draconics again. We say it is all about past lives. But then the Draco`s are calculated with the NORTH node, so the present lifepath.
Conjunctions are meeting points.

So I was thinking that maybe the conjunctions in the Dracos are more indicative of a "meeting point" in this current incarnation, while the oppositions are more indicative of past life experiences together (if we calculate the Draco`s with the SN, the previous opposition in the NN-Dracos will become conjunctions, meeting points, in the SN-Draco`s).

I also agree about the generational Persona charts. They are, well, generational.
I do think, though, they will become more significant in charts, where Neptune is ruling the angles or conjunct an angle.

I just think we have to be careful and very concious about what we are looking at here. All of us, me included, tend to get enthusiastic about certain aspects, and then somehow forget to really interprete them in terms of what the corresponding planet really sais and what its importance is for the chart.

posted December 13, 2009 02:06 PM            

why are you backing out?

Maybe it is a misconception on my behalf, but I thought this was not about checking if someone is someone`s twin, but about trying to find out, if Persona charts work, and if so, in what way and how they are interpreted?

So, I of course am very much interested in what Comica or you have to say, Lara, as we can see the PErsona charts "in action" in a real existing mutual relationship. For the same reason I am also very interested in Diandra`s aspects.

For Vesta and me it is a bit different, cause I don`t know Jude nor does she know Johnny or George in an everyday-sense, and no matter what might be there in our synastries, we can only countercheck it from our perspective, while you have something mutual going on in a more conscious way (maybe for Vesta and me there is spiritual mutuality, but that is somehow on a different level).

posted December 13, 2009 02:18 PM            

I find a lot in your post I agree on. Let me emphasize it.

"My opinion on this is that persona charts might be relevant when it comes to understanding the deeper details, yet it's still not as relevant as our main natal charts."
Hmm, I am on the fence about this one. One part of me vehemently agrees with you, but the other whispers: "Maybe it is as relevant, but maybe not in such an obvious way than the natal?"

"specially if there aren't any aspects with the persona chart's object itself in the natal synastry."
I was thinking the difference between natal and Persona chart synastry might be a bit like theoretical compatibility vs. actual realization.

If someone`s natal fits to the other one`s PErsona, there might be a huge compatibility, but it needs a channel, an outlet to really be expressed or felt.
Maybe natal planets could that be or even transits.

Ex.
in a persona chart there is an exact Eros-Psyche-conjunction. this might indicate a strong attraction in terms of what the object of the Persona chart signifies, but for this attraction to actually manifest, maybe a conjunction to someone`s natal ASC or even to a transiting planet would be needed.
But that is just me theoretising here.

"- by comparing our DC persona charts to each other's natal, it might tell how much we fit into each other's ideal image of partner;
- by comparing one's DC persona chart to another's AC persona chart, it might tell further about how the AC persona chart person fits in the image of the DC persona chart's person's ideal image of partner."
I think these comparision might be VERY enlightening in term of real partner-compatibility.

"ll, I didn't enough time to analyze these all and besides, I doubt that these boring analysis about me and my bf would ever interest everyone else here anyways lol~ XP"
Quite the opposite! I really want to see it!
But I am a bit demanding, I don`t only want the list of aspects, but would love to know how you interprete them and how they are reflected in "real life".

"I find it interesting to analyze the NN persona charts synastry between two person even if there are no meaningful aspects between their NNs in their natal synastry."
I was thinking the same. Analyzing the NN charts could give insight, if or how two people could be a part of each other`s life.

posted December 13, 2009 02:40 PM            

I am curious.

What aspects do Johnny`s and George`s natal make to your NN PERSONA CHART?
What PURPOSE is their appearance in your life? What MEANING do they have for your lifepath?
Are you meant to meet one day? Can we see that -at least potentially- in the NN chart?

Let me brainstorm a moment.
Since the ASC is the point of "in-carnation" and "materialization", the meeting of spiritual and physical, I think their natal planets should conjunct your ASC. Sun, Moon, Venus, ASC or NN conjunct your ASC would probably be the clearest indication.
Do you have one or more of these aspects?
Of course we would have to check your Sun, moon, ASC, NN to THEIR ASC in NN chart, too.
Maybe Sun and Moon of the NN charts would need to be checked, too, as they are also core-planets of every chart.

For the others

posted December 13, 2009 04:15 PM            

°His MOON (and Juno) conjuncts my NN-SN. ROFL. NN-SN - my eyes are crossing each other.
What does that mean? an emotional "blast from the past"?

° my MOON opposes his NN-SUN exactly.
° (my DESTINN, VERTEX and EROS conjunct his NN-ASC - but those weren`t among my mentioned objects; my SUN-MOON-MP conjuncts his NN-DESC
° (my NN-NN conjuncts his NN-MOON exactly)

Hmm, that is strange, my natal seems to interact more strongly with his NN-chart than the other way round, as I would have expected it. The DW with the Moon seems to indicate an emotional connection, a family connection? Which probably stems from the past, as his natal SN is exactly conjunct my natal Moon, too.

Looking at some dates:
1) Me getting awareness of him
°his pr Venus conjunct my NN-Sun and NN-Moon
° his pr Moon just having passed my NN-SN. lol

- no really strong aspects of my pr planets to his NN Sun, Moon, ASC or NN, which makes sense as he hadn`t even met me at that time

° Tr PLUTO was just approaching a conjunction to my NN-NN *gulps*
Now that is making sense! SEeing that it lead to the probably biggest transformation in all my life

° Tr Sun was conjunct his NN-DESC - I guess that means that he had been getting involved with someone then, but this doesn´t have anything to do with me, as we hadn´t met

° TR NN was EXACTLY conjunct his NN-SN - so whatever relationship formed for him, it must have been probably karmic and lifechanging

° Tr Pluto was opposing his NN-Moon; Tr Pluto actually "illuminated" the synastric aspect of my NN-NN conjunct his NN-MOon and my NN-SN conjunct his tropical Moon (and Juno)

The day I actually met him.

° my Pr SUN was EXACTLY conjunct his NN-DESC , on the exact same spot, as Tr Sun had been all these years before!

° my PR MOON was not only exactly conjunct my own natal Moon!, but also exactly conjunct his SN and opposing his NN-SUN, repeating the synastric aspect

---- am I the only one finding it a little bit odd, that it was MY progressed / natal that was relating so strongly to HIS NN-chart?

There were no nearly as strong aspects to my NN-chart. Strange.

° Tr SATURN was exactly opposing my NN-SUN and NN-MOON and conjunct my tropical SN, so I guess this could be termed "strong" and above all karmic

°There were no strong transits to his NN-chart though

I then checked the day when I surprisingly ran into him

°if I have rectified his asc rightly, his pr DESC had just been exactly conjunct my NN-SUN and NN-MOON and on my natal SN and own DESC

° my pr MERCURY and pr VENUS had been conjunct his tropical SN and opposing his NN-SUN

TRANSITWISE:
° TR Neptune had been widely opposing his NN-Sun - not very convincing I guess

° TR URANUS had been exactly conjunct my NN-DESC (and natal JUNO) - now if any aspect could indicate a surprise then it would be this I guess.

Intersting that it was me who had the strongest transits, and I guess it was for me that these encounters acted as triggers for something.

I guess it is surely interesting to keep an eye on these NN-charts and their triggering

posted December 13, 2009 04:48 PM            

that little p - does that mean progressed? Have you progressed the NN-Persona chart? Or is that indicative of PERSONA?

The configuration with the MC is very interesting. It seems to indicate that at least part of the reason / purpose for him in your life has to do with your career / social standing or calling.

For him it (potentially) seems to have to more do with his appearance and personality.