posted December 13, 2009 05:57 PM            

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"My opinion on this is that persona charts might be relevant when it comes to understanding the deeper details, yet it's still not as relevant as our main natal charts."
Hmm, I am on the fence about this one. One part of me vehemently agrees with you, but the other whispers: "Maybe it is as relevant, but maybe not in such an obvious way than the natal?"

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If someone`s natal fits to the other one`s PErsona, there might be a huge compatibility, but it needs a channel, an outlet to really be expressed or felt.
Maybe natal planets could that be or even transits.

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"ll, I didn't enough time to analyze these all and besides, I doubt that these boring analysis about me and my bf would ever interest everyone else here anyways lol~ XP"
Quite the opposite! I really want to see it!
But I am a bit demanding, I don`t only want the list of aspects, but would love to know how you interprete them and how they are reflected in "real life".

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posted December 13, 2009 07:34 PM            

My Eros is conjunct his ASC in the natal chart

His Eros Persona MC is conjunct my natal sun and Psyche

I know that I am affected by my Eros conjunct his ASC.

knowing that we are soul mates of some kind I would think he would be affected like I am but since I do not know him I don't know the effect it would have on him. However, this may be a great place to start with the research of other soul mates who do know each other maybe even just any relationship,
seeing how they are effected by the aspects.

posted December 13, 2009 11:18 PM            

His valentine persona NN is opp my natal sun 0 deg.

In my opinion the natal person will not feel the effect as much as the persona person.

posted December 14, 2009 08:18 AM            

"Maybe we can see it as this way - while an aspect with a certain object in the natal synastry is like touching the whole object itself (the whole packet), the aspects made between one's persona chart of this object and another person's chart is like touching certain parts of this object only (and not the whole packet)"
Yes, that sounds very plausible.

Vesta,

"In my opinion the natal person will not feel the effect as much as the persona person."
I was thinking the same at first, but Eve once responded to this thought with this:

"I'm not sure whether Personas are one-sided. I'm conceiving Personas in how they differ from Draconics. Draconics are a deeper layer of our identity. They transcend personality. Meanwhile Personas are a more complete telling of our personality. Our Venus Persona, rather than going beyond our personality, instead elaborates on our personality.

Take for example my Venus Persona ASC being cnj my natal IC. That cnj simply illustrates that my Venus and my IC are linked within my personality. If the Persona operated on a deeper level, then I could conceivably live as only the natal Venus and not involve my IC. That schism should be easy to live. But that's not how I experience my Venus at all! My Venus is only mildly interested until she meets someone who sets my IC aflame. That's when love starts. The two have always gone hand in hand for me. (Btw, your natal Moon is cnj my Venus Persona Asc. xoxo )

So if this is true - that we always live our Persona because it's part of our complete personality - then I think other people can react to our Persona in synastry. I'm not sure how it would work, but then, I'm not sure how any astrology works! I still marvel at the mystery of synastry, how people perceive and react to the astrological identity in another. My first thought is that people will feel our Venus Persona when we're most strongly pulsating as Venus. But maybe they can feel that Persona even when we're not feeling especially Venus-like, same as how they can sense our natal Venus placement regardless? Idk. More observation is needed. *buttons lab coat and puts hair in a bun*

Perhaps if our Persona interacts heavily with someone's natal - like your Venus Persona does with Jude - then that person easily sees that Persona in us. So yes, Jude's personality triggers your Venus Persona, but it's not one-sided. Your Venus energy is a part of your personality that he would easily recognize and understand."

I think it also depends on what planet is triggered in the natal.

posted December 14, 2009 10:11 AM            

Synastry: Weighing in the Planet

There are many considerations that the astrologer should include when working with synastry charts. One of the most important and rarely spoken of factors is the weight an individual planet carries. We can look at aspects between charts, but if not having the fundamental understanding of the individual nativities, we loose a precision in the reading.

Let’s take a look at my Moon. Moon in Cancer in the 6th house. Already we know it is going to be considerably strong being that the Moon is in the sign that it rules. The Moon is one hour away from an applying perfection of opposition with my Sun being in Capricorn (that isn’t very strong being in the 12th). A waxing Moon gives strength, as does the opposition, being that it is a full Moon. The only “negative” aspect to the Moon is from Jupiter (tsquared) but Jupiter is exalted in Cancer… so not too strong a “negative”. The Moon is in Jupiter’s term and Venus’s face. My Moon is in a Feminine house which gives some dignity. We can look at the Draconian chart and find the Moon in Pisces (a trine/triplicity). Taking the Pullen ranking, the Moon is strong and the co despositer of the chart. The Moon is also involved in a YOD to Venus. Looking at the Decant, it is in the first, ruled by Cancer. The Dwadashamsha is Virgo. The Moon is conjunct the fixed star Mirzam, which is very fortunate and expressed like the nature of Venus. Being a full Moon the NN is conjunt and the Part of Fortune in Cancer.

Okay, that is one strong Moon…. think we can safely say that my life is filled with baking pies, working on cross-stitch while watching Matlock… making baby booties and a vocabulary littered with words like, snuggle and cozy. I should be content with a gingham kitchen to match the little statuette farm geese motif…. Eeeerrrrrrrrkkk… put on the brakes. You MUST be talking about someone else…. that is not a description of me that is anywhere near accurate. Instead of running out and burning your collection of astrology books, lets dig a bit further.

The antiscion of my Moon is 23 degrees Gemini. I mention the degree because we will see it again. We know the Moon is a co depositer in my chart… who is the other one? Uranus. The YOD? Uranus is involved in that too (actually Uranus is also the apex of another YOD in the chart). How do the Moon and Uranus get along in the chart? A sextile. The Moon Persona chart has the Moon’s ascendant in Gemini and the Moon in Aquarius. The Persona tells us how the Moon is colored…and it is with detached, mental action signs. In that same Persona Chart, we find Venus (Also involved in both YODs) in 23 degrees of Gemini.

So we have a very strong Moon that appears to not only get along well with Uranus, but seems to share many of the same qualities.

I am still a nurturing person, but it is more on a mentorship level and with education and the passing of ideas. There is this Universal Love streak that is very prominent in me. I may bake a pie…but more likely for a cause than just for the sake of baking. Am I emotional, as the Cancer Moon would suggest? Well yeah, but I quickly will logically evaluate the situations…come to terms with understanding…then maybe cry or laugh (you never know with someone born during a full Moon).

How is this applied to Synastry. Well, we have to get to know the other person’s planets like we did above with my Moon. Be sure to look for midpoints that not only hit the Cancer Moon, but also strong Gemini or Aquarius applying to the Persona Chart of the Moon. Off the cuff, I can say that I would be looking for someone with strong Air signs and/or a strong Mercury or Uranus, because that is where the Moon is the most comfortable.

posted December 14, 2009 10:35 AM            

My moon persona moon is in Capricorn opp my saturn

My natal MC is capricorn,
in the persona chart My MC is conjunct my natal IC

My ASC in the moon persona is Libra (venus)
My natal ASC is Taurus (venus)

posted December 14, 2009 12:00 PM            

Personally, I once had a system how to look at a planet (probably influenced by Arroyo).

1. Planet in sign and house (including the element and modality of course)

2. Overtone of a planet (sign placement of the ruler of the sign the planet is in; too complicated?
Nah,

My Venus is in Capricorn - Saturn rules Capricorn - Saturn is in Cancer in my chart, so my Venus is a little bit coloured by Cancer, too (not as strong as other factors obviously)

3. Aspects to the planets (the intensity of the aspect figures in of course)
a) conjunction - this colours the strongest and usually "melts" with the planet, whereas in other aspect ther eis not necessarily a melting

b) opposition and square - sometimes these are prone to projection (we are seeking out people, who live the quality of the opposing planet "for us" - with the square this is not that obvious; I have found that pattern with the conjunction sometimes though. Example: My Mars ocnjuncts my Neptune - I never know what I really want, BUT if someone NEptunian comes along, my Mars somehow is "freed" from the Neptunian fog and very determined)

c) trine and sextile - not really strong aspects, BUT since the trine is usually in the same element, this element will be emphasised

Now I could add the Persona charts to this.
In the persona charts I would look out for:

1) ASC
2) Sun
3) Moon
4) ruler of ASC
5) NN
6) the corresponding planet (in a Venus chart this would obviously be Venus)
7) exact conjunctions or stellia
8) asteroids with a similiar theme; in a Venus chart I would definitely check for Mars, Eros, Psyche, Amor, Valentine and Juno, too.

In your case you detected a strong Capricornian / Saturnian theme, even the Libra fits here. Don`t forget Saturn is very strong in Libra.
Anyway I guess either you are more Saturnian than your usual Moonsign would indicate (unless it is in Capricorn, in 10th house or conjunct / opposite Saturn) or / and you would feel a certain familiarity or attraction to Saturnian types.
Doesn`t Johnny have a Capricorn-Moon?

The Venus sign seems to be also emphasised, and if I remember it rightly, Johnny has a Mercury-Venus-conjunction in Taurus in 10th house, right?
Case closed.

posted December 14, 2009 12:09 PM            

tropical:
in Aquarius
in 2nd house
Uranus in Scorpio, Saturn in Cancer
exact quinkunx Saturn

Persona chart:
°ASC in Cancer (DESC exact on natal Venus)
°Moon in SAG (exact on my natal Sun!)in 6th house
°Saturn in Cancer in 1st house opposing Mars in Cap in 7th house (noone ever said I picked an easy one. lol)
° Venus in Pisces in 10th house
° Venus trine ASC, sextile Mars, trine Saturn (so this Venus takes some of the tension out of the Mars-Saturn-opposition)
° Venus rules the 5th house with Pluto near the cusp

Hmm I guess having a Cancer ASC in the Moon PERSONA is somewhat contradicting my natal Aquarius-Moon. lol
On the other hand it fits the Cancer-overtone.

I am not sure what it really means though.

posted December 14, 2009 02:40 PM            

The Venus sign seems to be also emphasised, and if I remember it rightly, Johnny has a Mercury-Venus-conjunction in Taurus in 10th house, right?
Case closed.

In looking at Johnny's chart his
Moon persona NN conjuncts my natal saturn

His moon persona ASC and Moon are in Virgo, his moon conjunct my natal moon.

His moon persona DSC is conjunct my natal mercury in Pisces conjunct his natal chiron.

His moon persona mercury is conjunct his sun in capricorn.

posted December 14, 2009 02:59 PM            

(note: we have opposed ACs, so in some parts I didn't mention the Sun/Sun or Sun/AC/DC conjunctions/oppositions)

His AC persona chart/My natal chart:

His Sun/Moon are both semi-sextile/quincunx my Sun, and my Sun is also in his 12th house and square his Neptune. This probably shows that he would somewhat think that we’re different and I’m even a bit hard to understand.
On the other hand, my Sun is still in the same sign as his AC, and my Moon/Venus/Mercury/BML is close to his AC in his 1st house. So he might feel affinity with my way of being, even thought his Sun/Moon is incompatible with mine.

Also, my Amor conjunct his NN and my Juno conjunct his Vertex - maybe my love and sense of commitment affects his way of being?
And his Amor is conjunct my Sun, while his Juno/Lust is conjunct my NN – my ego and life path inspires how he sees himself in love and committed relationships?

My AC persona chart/His natal chart:

His Mercury/Uranus/Jupiter/MC falls in my 4th house in Sagittarius (just like in our natal synastries), and my Moon/Uranus/Vertex is there too. His way of being does make me feel at home. Plus my AC/Mars/Mercury are in Leo, so that I go well with his Sagittarian side.

His DC persona chart/My natal chart:

My Sun falls in his 11th house - besides being his partner, guess that he sees me like a good friend too. Yet my Moon/Venus/Mercury/BML/Mars is in his 12th house - as his partner, I'm hard for him to understand? *guilty* XP

But well, my Aries stellium is compatible with his Leo Moon/IC and Sagittarius stellium. This stellium is not compatible with his Virgo Sun/Mercury/Venus, but my AC is there. Guess that this means that I'm kinda compatible with his ideals of a partner. X3
Also, my AC is in his 4th house, so that I might make him feel like home too.

And my MC is conjunct his AC/NN.. my career path is ideal as his partner's career path, and it also helps him improve his relationship lessons? Also, he might be supportive of my life direction as a partner (his AC here represents the physical realm of his DC).
Hmm Amor conjunct Amor.. his love belongs to mine? X3 *slaps herself for losing focus and daydream again*
Oh well.. my Jupiter on his MC, probably sees me as supportive in his career? But my Saturn is on his DC lol so he probably sees me as a bit restrictive in his relationships lol.

My DC persona chart/His natal chart:

His Mars/Venus in my 11th house - I do see him as a friend too, besides my bf.
His AC and Moon falls in my 4th house, and I have Jupiter/Sun/Venus there too. Again, the home feeling is there, and with my Jupiter conjunct his AC, he lifts my joyful spirit and I’m very joyful and generous with him.
His Sun, Mercury and Uranus falls in my 1st house, and yeah I do like his Mercury and Uranus sides a lot lol~
His Saturn is on my AC, so I also see him as a bit restrictive in how I am in relationships?

His DC persona chart/My AC persona chart:

My AC/Sun/Mars/Mercury are in his IC – familiar feelings again. X3
My Moon in his 7th, and our Moons are compatible – shows that my emotional nature is compatible with what he seeks in a partner or how he is emotionally in his relationships?

My DC persona chart/His AC persona chart:

posted December 14, 2009 03:22 PM            

thanks for this analyis. I ahve to read it all through.

But I actually have encountered something like you mentioned.

My best email-friend`s birthday is the EXACT date of Paul`s SN-PERSONA chart.
Even their ASC`s are conjunct (by 2 degree or so=.

I am still shaken about this, and wonder what that could mean.

posted December 14, 2009 04:00 PM            

p ASC is exact conjunct my natal Moon
p Sun is conjunct my SN
p Moon is conjunct my Sun-Moon-mp
p Moon is opposing my Eros, destinn, Vertex
p Venus is opposing my Sun-Moon-mp
p Venus conjunct my Eros, Destinn, Vertex
p Mars conjunct my IC
p Mars trine my Mars and ASC
p Mars square my Venus
p NN conjunct my Amor
p Juno conjunct my Karma

OH my God, I just realized, one of my best friends in school was born only one day later!
LOL that is too funny. There were even times when it was not clear if we were maybe even in love with each other. Well, I with him at least. lol

My Valentine Persona to my tropical natal
20th november 1975

ASC widely conjunct natal Moon (4)
Moon conjunct my Karma
Moon trine my Moon
Venus conjunct Pluto. lol
Saturn square Uranus
Juno opposite Jupiter
Valentine conjunct Venus
MC conjunct Neptune, ASC, NN, (Mars)

posted December 14, 2009 04:40 PM            

excellent analysis!
Do these aspects reflect your relationship well?

"This probably shows that he would somewhat think that we’re different and I’m even a bit hard to understand."
Are you confusing each other? And who is confusing whom?
Is Neptune the one getting confused or Sun?

"and my Moon/Venus/Mercury/BML is close to his AC in his 1st house."
How close is close?

"His Mercury/Uranus/Jupiter/MC falls in my 4th house in Sagittarius (just like in our natal synastries), and my Moon/Uranus/Vertex is there too. His way of being does make me feel at home."
That is a lot of 4th house emphasis. Are you feeling at home with him? Do you plan having a family with him?

"His DC persona chart/My natal chart:"
This would show how you fit his partner idea, right?

"Yet my Moon/Venus/Mercury/BML/Mars is in his 12th house - as his partner, I'm hard for him to understand? *guilty* XP"
There is a lot of 12th house emphasis.
Well, it can be difficult to understand. But I also read that the 12th house represents the most recent past incarnation, so maybe a karmic thing?
Oh and of course it can be spiritual, too.

"tive in his career? But my Saturn is on his DC lol so he probably sees me as a bit restrictive in his relationships lol."
Restrictive, maybe, But also committed and stabilizing. I actually like Saturn on DSC, it is good for committed relationships.

"His Saturn is on my AC, so I also see him as a bit restrictive in how I am in relationships?"
So that is a DW of Saturn-ASC/DESC? Feels like a strong indication for a committed relationship. Some real glue.

"is Saturn/Mars are in my 1st house, and I do like his way of handling things."
Did you also feel the sexual attraction with Mars? Or is that only if he is conjunct ASC?

posted December 14, 2009 05:24 PM            

I think it must be a very "moony" attraction. Moon`s Moon conjunct Moon. Perfect.

posted December 14, 2009 05:49 PM            

my DESC Persona - his NATAL

my MC conjunct his ASC and VENUS in his 1st
my SUN conjunct his DESC
my SUN opposite his NEPTUNE
my MERCURY opposite his MERCURY
my VENUS conjunct his VERTEX in his 8th house
my MARS conjunct his IC
my MARS Opposite his PLUTO
my SATURN Conjuncts his SN (like in every Persona and natal) in his 8th
my NN conjunct his MARS, JUNO and BML in his 12th
my JUNO conjunct his SATURN in his 7th
my JUNO opposite his VENUS
my VALENTINE Conjunct his MERCURY and KARMA In his 1st

MY DESC PERSONA - his ASC PERSONA
my MC conjunct his SUN
my SUN conjunct his SUN And NEPTUNE
my MOON conjunct hsi VENUS
my VENUS opposite his VENUS
my MARS conjunct his PLUTO
my JUPITER conjunct his CHIRON
my SATURN conjunct his IC
my vALENTINE conjunct his EROS
my PSYCHE conjunct his ASC

his DESC PERSONA - my NATAL
his DESC conjunct my KARMA
his SUN conjunct my DESC
his SUN conjunct my SN
his SUN opposite my NEPTUNE
his MARS conjunct my JUNO
his NEPTUNE conjunct my MARS
his NN conjunct my VENUS
his CHIRON conjunct my CHIRIN
his JUNO opposite my KARMA
his VALENTINE conjunct my EROS, VERTEX and DESTINN
his EROS conjunct my DESTINN

his DESC PERSONA - my ASC PERSONA
his ASC conjunct my NEPTUNE
his DESC conjunct my PSYCHE
his IC conjunct my JUPITER
his SUN conjunct my SUN, MERCURY and NEPTUNE
his MOON conjunct my SN
his MARS opposite my JUNO
his NN conjunct my VALENTINE and EROS
his JUNO opposite my PSYCHE

posted December 14, 2009 05:50 PM            

Funny, Creepy.
Jude`s PERSONA of my NAME is almost identical with the date of our DAVISON chart.

Only 2 days apart.

his PERSONA of MY NAME

my PERSONA of HIS NAME

I know I said we should interprete our postings, but I think I have to come back to this one.

posted December 14, 2009 06:36 PM            

About who confuses who.. I guess that we both do it lol but in that Sun/Neptune aspect, as well as about my planets in his 12th house, I'd think that it's him who finds it a bit hard to understand my nature (I'm an artist anyways lol).

Well, I do feel at home with him. X3 I'm not sure how things will be in the future, but I do want to be with him.

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"and my Moon/Venus/Mercury/BML is close to his AC in his 1st house."
How close is close?

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"His DC persona chart/My natal chart:"
This would show how you fit his partner idea, right?

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"is Saturn/Mars are in my 1st house, and I do like his way of handling things."
Did you also feel the sexual attraction with Mars? Or is that only if he is conjunct ASC?

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