posted December 14, 2009 08:01 PM            

His <my name> persona chart:
- Leo AC - So I'm really self-centered and full of pride for him?? Well I do behave like a queen lolol~ ^_^;
- Pisces Moon in the 8th house square Sagittarius Venus/Uranus conjunction - yess, I'm emotionally Piscean sometimes, and intense/deep (chaotic lol), impulsive, unstable and my loving nature is weird lol~
- Capricorn Sun - well, in his chart, my name falls in his Sun/Moon midpoint too.. but me, a Cap? XP nah~ and I doubt that he sees me like one lol~
- Sun in the 6th - him seeing me as a hard worker or even workaholic? Not very likely, at least not now lol~ ^_~;

My <his name> persona chart:
- Sagittarius Sun/Moon/Venus/Uranus/Saturn - yeah, to me he's actually quite Sagittarian.
- this stellium in the 6th house - he's very devoted to his work, very responsible.
- Cancer AC - hmm actually he doesn't really seem very Cancerian to me.
- Neptune right on DC - I do feel that he's kinda Neptunian in relationships.

Interesting is that in both charts, both Marses are in the 28th degree of Libra, while both Venuses are in the 8th and 11th degrees of Sagittarius.

By the way, maybe we can try the synastry of a person's <his own name> persona chart and this person's <your name> persona chart to see the synastry between how he perceives himself and how he perceives us, so that it might tell something about if he sees himself compatible with us, and vice-versa?

Well, between his <his own name> persona chart and his <my name> persona chart, his Sun is in Virgo and my Moon in Pisces, and his Moon is in Cap while my Sun is in Cap. His Mars conjunct my Venus (nice lol X3 ), and his Sun and my Moon square our Uranus and his Mars/my Venus. My Mercury also conjuncts his Jupiter/Moon. Seems good overall. X3

posted December 14, 2009 09:05 PM            

His eros conjunct his natal venus 0 degree
His MC conjunct his natal ASC 0 degree

His (jenny persona) venus and pof are conjunct
and on my natal sun/moon midpoint

His persona DSC conjunct the sun witch is my natal juno 0 degree. his natal moria

posted December 14, 2009 10:45 PM            

and His Jennifer persona MC conjunct his natal ASC 0 deg and valentine 2 deg

is that what you mean Meta?

I personally love that eros on the Venus

In thinking on this some more his Jennifer persona Jennifer is conjunct my natal sun almost saying that is who Jennifer is so maybe the natals do have some significance.

posted December 15, 2009 09:56 AM            

1. his name persona in her chart - her natal (maybe this is to a certain degree valid for his name persona in her chart - her name persona in her chart, too)
What is her "idea" of him and in what ways does it affect her?
Ex.:
ASC of his name persona conjunct her Venus -
the way she perceives him (or anyone of that name - so generally the name energy) triggers affectionate feelings of attraction in her

2. his name persona in her chart - his natal (or his own name persona chart)
Does he really reflect by nature (or by selfperception) what she sees in him (his name)?
Ex.
Persona Sun (of his name in her chart) conjunct his Sun
in this case he will identify a lot with the way she perceives him (of course it also means that his name in her chart is conjunct his natal Sun.
It is one of the ways that make it very likely that it is not just anyone with his name but he himself, as his natal Sun is involved.

I guess for a man, if his Sun, Moon, ASC, Mars, NN or MC are conjunct his name in her chart, there is a good indication of "identification".

For a man I would look to Sun, Moon, ASC, Venus, NN or MC

(I know this is sexistic, but in many cases men seem to identify more easily with their Mars and women with their Venus; maybe this is so, because Venus and Mars are the traditional sexual gender roles? There are exceptions though, for example if in the chart of a woman Mars is conjunct ASC, or if in a man`s chart Venus is conjunct his ASC - this could be valid for conjunctions to Sun and maybe even Moon, too- then the gender planet of the opposite gender may be part of their consciously felt identity, too).

Vesta,
"his jennifer persona Eros conjunct his natal Venus 0 degree?"
What he perceives to be the erotic aspect in Jennifer triggers his affection and attraction.
Eros is a very masculine energy, so this is interesting.
Maybe it is not just the erotic, but also the creative aspect he sees in Jennifer.

So now the question is, is any of your "identification-planets" conjunct his Venus and PErsona Jennifer Eros?
This would be a strong hint that it really IS you.
I would count oppositions here, too, as some sort of, polar different quality, but nevertheless very magnetic.

"and His Jennifer persona MC conjunct his natal ASC 0 deg and valentine 2 deg"
So he loves the public image, aims in life, or way to pursue a career or present publicly he associates with Jennifer, maybe partly even because he senses a "kindred spirit", some similiar traits (his ASC).

posted December 15, 2009 10:22 AM            

The Persona chart has
ASC in Capricorn - he has Sun in Cappy natally

Sun in Leo - he has Sun in 1st house

Moon conjunct Uranus with Moon being in Scorpio and Uranus being in Libra - he has Moon-Uranus-conjunction in Libra natally

Mars in Taurus - he has Mars in Scorpio, so it is somehow the polar opposite

Interesting aspects:

the P NN is conjunct his Mars and the P Mars opposes his Mars - so it seems that my perception of him very much emphasizes his Scorpio Mars, which natally is hidden deeply in the confusing 12th house
- does that mean that this is a part I perceive very strongly in him?

The P MOon - Uranus conjuncts his Moon - so I guess I have a pretty good perception of his emotional core

The P Sun isn`t aspecting (by conjunction or opposition) any planet in his chart, but it is actually opposing his name in his chart-
so again, there is a connection, yet I somehow see him in an opposite light than he does.
His name in my chart is in Leo, his is in Aquarius. So maybe he sees himself as rather detached, analytic and very interested in humanity and giving in a broad human sense, while I see him in a rather proud, warm, sometimes arrogant or snobistic light.

Interestingly with his Sun in 1st house, he seems to have more Leonine qualities in a direct way, w hile those humanitarian qualities may be there, but rather in connection with his emotions, not so much as a general attitude.

in the P chart Venus is conjunct his name in Virgo-
does that mean I perceive him as being appreciative (Venus) of himself (his name)? lol
he doesn`t have Virgo-planets or 6th house though.

But this Venus in the P chart is also squaring Neptune - so I perceive him as a bit chaotic, confused when it comes to relationships or women in general?
Interestingly his natal Venus is conjunct Neptune, so this could be pretty close to truth.
Since Venus in the P chrt is in 8th house, I perceive him as being ruled by his passions, even though the expression is rather controlled (Virgo)?

Eros is in Scorpio on the MC in the P chart - so to me it feels like he wears his sexuality on his sleeve? lol
The funny thing is that the Eros in the P chart is conjunct his natal Psyche. But I have no idea how to interprete that.

Comparing with his own name`s Persona chart

You remember how I said that his name is in Leo in my chart?
Now his names`Persona chart`s ASC is in LEO!!! LOL
His Sun is in Aquarius - so maybe he perceives that c ontradiction in his being himself.

his P Moon is in Pisces, in my P chart it was in Scorpio, so both water signs, even though he may perceive himself to be much more gentle emotionally than I do.
His P Moon is opposing my P Venus - interesting.

his P Mars is in Sagittarius (exact on my natal Sun lol) - so he sees himself more in a Sag way? Well, it would make sense, as his natal ASC is in SAg.

his P Venus is in Aquarius - he sees himself as tolerant and intellectual in love? Well, it would surely explain his attraction to Aquarian emphasized women.

Funny though, my name in his P chart is conjunct his NN - someone with my name could be important for his lifepath, or at least he might think so?

I think he fits pretty well into what I perceive as typical for his name.

posted December 15, 2009 10:37 AM            

I am not sure if I did this right

His jennifer persona sun conjunct my natal venus.

His jennifer persona ASC conjunct my natal ASC.

Is that what you mean or did I do that wrong?

My Johnny persona
Valentine conjunct my natal valentine LOL

posted December 15, 2009 10:41 AM            

I haven't really looked into Venus, Mars, or Pluto (or any other planet) and Eros conjunctions/oppositions. Maybe i will and see if i can give insight? Have any of you had experiences with Eros/planet conjunctions or oppositions?

posted December 15, 2009 10:57 AM            

P Sun in Sagittarius - not only have I a stellium in Sag, but my Sun is actually conjunct his P Sun, so I guess I fit in here pretty well

Yet he has a rather complicated idea of me (the P Sun), as the P Sun is conjunct NN and Eros and opposing Saturn - would he perceive me as someone is meant to (NN) develop some erotic traits (ERos) but is somehow restricted either by herself or by something that he doesn`t really get a grasp on (Saturn opposing Sun and ERos, but from the 12th house) - Actually I have a Vertex-Eros-Destinn conjunction in Cancer, which is conjunct Saturn, so it would not be stupid to think he was right.

P moon is in Scorpio - so we perceive each other as emotionally passionate, intense and probably manipulative?
I am no Scorpio-Moon though, but interestingly this Moon is exact conjunct my Valentine- I would ocmpletely love this idea he might get of me, even if it is not true?
Well, Pluto is opposing my IC; the Moon-point, Cancer is in 8th house, the ruler of my Moon sign is in scorpio, so there may a tiny little bit of Scorpio being int here.

P ASC is in Cancer - he would see me as caring, nurturing, motherly?
Let me repeat that
Nahhh.

On the other hand, my Venus is conjunct his P DESC, and the ruler of my Venus is in Cancer. LOL

P Venus is conjunct Jupiter in Aquarius trine Pluto, with Venus being in 8th house -
well I have Moon in Aquarius, Sun in Sagittarius (Jupiter) and Venus squaring Pluto - I guess he would have a good perception of my complicated feminine nature.

P mars is in Aries - me being impulsive, courageious, energetic, determined? I don`t think so. On the other hand natally Mars is conjunct my ASC, so there must be some Mars in me.
Or maybe it means that he thinks Aries is what I am drawn to in a man? If he thought that, he would be compeltely right. I fall nearly for every Aries who crosses my path just lightly. But you all know the story about the moth and the candle, don`t you?

posted December 15, 2009 10:58 AM            

Transferring this to my charts both names are square, so I also perceive a relation, connection, but one that is more fraught with tension?

His P name is closely conjunct P chiron - he sees the risk that he or someone with the same name as him could hurt me deeply?
This conjunction is squaring his natal NN, Destinn and his natal SN. So a reason for that potential hurt he sees in his lifepath, maybe even in his past as well as the direction his life is taking?

It is squaring my own natal Saturn, too. So I am probably very able of inflicting hurt on myself, probably by blocking or restricting something or someone, at least in his perception.

In the P chart there is Pluto conjunct Valentine in Libra in 4th house with Pluto conjunct 5th house cusp - so he also would perceive me as being able to love in a very deep and intense way?

his (my name) persona - my (my name) persona

his P Sun opposes my P Venus - I have a slightly different image of myself, even though there is still something in common?

his P Moon conjunct my P NN and P DESC - I view it as a part of my path to develop this emotionality (Scorpionic) he sees in me.
This might make sense, as I have VAlentine there, so I would just love being seen or even be that way probably

his P Mars conjuncts my P Psyche and P Chiron - so this attraction to Arien qualities he perceives in me, I share but in a different way, as I perceive myself as being intuitive towards Ariens, but also being easily hurt by them. Moth and flame - anyone?

I Have also in the P chart an exact Moon-Jupiter-conjunction which is widely conjunct the DAvida-Chiron-conjunction in his chart - so what he perceives as a potential / risk to hurt me, I see actually as uplifting and enjoyable?

And again in my P chart of my name, his name is in Leo, conjunct his ASC in his names Persona - so I really seem to perceive some Leo in him. lol

posted December 15, 2009 11:00 AM            

I just did the Persona-Meta chart of a friend i'm pretty fond of, and I did my Persona His-Name...

In his Persona Meta, he has Uranus and Pluto in the first house both conjunct Karma. Then in my Persona-His-Name Sun, Karma and DC are conjunct in the 7th.

posted December 15, 2009 11:18 AM            

"His jennifer persona sun conjunct my natal venus."
So your feminity is exactly the way he perceives Jennifer as a whole.

"His jennifer persona ASC conjunct my natal ASC."
Another strong hint of identification.

"My Johnny persona
Valentine conjunct my natal valentine LOL"
The way he expresses his love, as you perceive it, triggers feelings of love in you.

So you love his way of loving (how you see it).

posted December 15, 2009 11:21 AM            

your description of Eros aspect sounds like very much off the book. Yes, according to the symbolism it is the Eros person who is completely smitten with the other person.

You mentioned Karma, to see if you have karmic business with each other, I would rather do the Karma persona charts.
Cause with the name asteroids it is all a matter of perception.

They tell us how we perceive the other person, not necessarily how they are.
That is the reason I compared it to the natals, to see if what I perceive is reflected in the natals, too.

The second step of analysis would be to compare my (his name) persona chart to my natal, in what way he, or rather my perception of him, affects me.
I think if some of his natals planets conjuncts a PErsona planet which in turn conjuncts my natal - then we might have a situation, in what I perceive about him is not only the truth, but affects me in some way.
And it also probably means that I am concious of this connection to a certain degree, as the natal aspects also fit into the PErsona.

Example:
(theoretical, they don`t exist)
My (his name) persona Sun conjunct his Mars.
The way I perceive him fits with his masculinity. So I seem to perceive a true part of him.

Let`s say this PErsona Sun and his Mars are on 10 Scorpio, and now if my Venus was also on 10 Scorpio, it would tell us, that i don`t only see him as he is, but that I am attracted to him.

If there was only the natal aspect, I might maybe not have awareness of that attraction - but with a Venus-Mars-conjunction this would be pretty unlikely.

If there was only my Venus conjunct Person Sun, then I would be attracted to the image, the idea of him, but without his planet there, it would be just that, an idea, a fantasy, but not him himself. Maybe it would be about another man with his name.

If there was only my P Sun conjunct his Mars, then I would identify him as who he is, but without aspects to my tropical chart, I probably wouldn`t care too much. It wouldn`t trigger strong feelings inside of me.

So I thinkt he strongest connections would be those that happen on all three levels:
my natal - my Persona (his name) chart - his natal (and vice versa).

posted December 15, 2009 02:16 PM            

OVERVIEW
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ASC in Capricorn fits to my Cap Venus, but not really to my Sag Sun, ASC and Aqua Moon

Sun in Leo is well liked by my Sun and ASC in Sag and my Moon in Aqua

Moon in Scorpio seems very different from my Aqua Moon

Venus in Virgo and Mars in Taurus seem to fit my Venus in Cappy

ASC falls into my 1st house
Sun falls into my 8th house
Venus and his name falls into my 9th house
Moon sits on the cusp of my 11th house
Mars is in my 6th house

Aspects
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° Sun conjuncts my Cupido exactly on 19 Leo in my 8th house; in the persona chart p Sun is also exact conjunct the 8th house cusp

° Sun opposes my natal Moon, which is the ruler of my natal 8th house, by 2 degree

° ASC conjuncts my natal Vesta on 1 Cap in my 1st house

° Moon conjuncts my natal Uranus exactly on 1 Scorpio on the cusp of natal 11th house

° Moon conjuncts my natal Union

° Venus opposes my natal Jupiter exactly from 9th to 3rd house

° Mars in my natal 6th house (in the P 5th house) opposes my Valentine

° NN in my natal 12th house conjuncts my Valentine exact on 27 Scorpio

° Adonis conjuncts my Aphrodite in natal 10th house in Libra

° Valentine conjuncts my NN in 1st house and opposes my Karma in 7th house

I got to think about these a little bit.

his (my name) persona - his natal

Overview
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DESC in Capricorn fits to his Cappy-Sun

Sun in Sagittarius fits to his SAg-ASC and Sag-Venus

Moon in Scorpio fits to his Scorpio-Mars and Sun-Pluto-square

Venus in Aquarius kinda fits to his Air-Moon conjunct Uranus, and it is pretty compatible with his Sag-Venus

Mars in Aries could be a challenge to his Libra-Moon and Venus in 1st house and especially his Cappy-Sun, but would fit his Venus and ASC in Sag.

ASC falls into his 7th house
Sun-Eros-Psyche-NN fall into his 1st house
Moon falls into his 12th house
Venus falls into his 2nd house
Mars falls into his 4th house

ASPECTS
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° DESC conjunct his Sun exactly in his natal 1st house on 7 Cap

° ASC closely conjuncts his Valentine in Cancer in his natal 7th house

° Moon conjuncts his Mars in Scorpio in his natal 12th house

° Venus in Aquarius in 2nd house (and in the 8th P house) trines his MC exact and sextiles his ASC exact (not really strong, but nice)

° Mars in Aries in natal 4th house opposes his natal Moon; and Mars rules his natal IC - a bit much martian energy in his home

° Valentine in Libra conjuncts his Pluto exact

° Adonis conjuncts his natal Venus exact (0°00°) on 13 Sagittarius in his 1st house

° my name conjuncts his natal Amor closely

posted December 15, 2009 02:32 PM            

quote:

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You mentioned Karma, to see if you have karmic business with each other, I would rather do the Karma persona charts.
Cause with the name asteroids it is all a matter of perception.

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posted December 15, 2009 02:34 PM            

quote:

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your description of Eros aspect sounds like very much off the book. Yes, according to the symbolism it is the Eros person who is completely smitten with the other person.

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posted December 15, 2009 02:46 PM            

Eros, even though a masculine energy, is the one God everyone, men and women, Gods and demons alike have to succumb to.

I think we react to everything that is triggered inside of us, just differently.
If a planet / asteroid of the opposite gender is triggered, we might project it, and see the ideal in the other person who triggers it, while if it is the same gender we may express it more directly.

Example:
A girl`s Sun conjunct a man`s Eros.
He will react in very direct ways erotically to her. He sort of becomes the personified Eros, at least he thinks so.

If it was a man`s Sun conjunct a girl`s Eros, she might start seeing the ideal "Eros" in him.
Nevertheless she ALSO will be erotically attracted to him; after all it is her Eros that is being triggered.