posted December 16, 2009 11:32 AM            

You wrote in another thread (that I didn`t want to derail for once), that the 11th house relates to fame.

This surprised me, cause I thought I was the only one making this connection.
I thought that if the 5th house is related to self-expression (as in creativity for example),t he the opposite house would indicate, how the fruits of the self-expression (a role for an actor for example; the paintings of a painter and so on) would be received by the "Other" (as the 11th house is the 7th house from the 5th, and so representing the "partner" of the 5th house), in this case an audience or the public.

posted December 16, 2009 12:55 PM            

I'd like to ask Coffee a question or two, as well, and I don't want to open multiple Coffee threads, so I hope you don't mind that I use this thread.

Questions:

1. My first house Ruler is Pluto/Mars since my Ascendant is Scorpio. tPluto will never ever be in the same position as my 11th House Ruler (Whole Signs or Placidus) unless I live to be a few hundred years, and the same goes for tPluto with my 10th House ruler, 6th House ruler, 2nd House ruler and even 7th House ruler. tPluto will never conjunct anything natally for the rest of my life. It will trine, square and oppose a few things though.

So, does this mean that career, fame, finances and job are things of the past for me according to your system and calculations? Or am I not understanding something?

2. What of 1st House rulers like mine that have co-rulers? Do I utilize both or do I choose between the modern ruler and former rulers.

3. House system. I know you use whole signs, but does it work for others house systems too. I ask because some of my house rulers change from Placidus to Whole signs.

posted December 16, 2009 04:57 PM            

1. Might be a thing of the past. Or just even out, saying you will never reach the peak of your career...whatever the cycle will be showing.
The point to remember if the best aspect is not formed...there will be an aspect at some point, so make the most of it.

2. Stop reading the traditional rulers astrolgy bit. Thats all I can say.
Many astrologers, many reputable, well paid astrologers will use "this and that" method. Because they have some sort of status, people will go with whatever they say. Many will be wrong, some will be right. That goes for astrologers all over the world.

3. See above. There are many astrological house systems. All of them are mathmatically correct. Only one of them, in theory, is...ethically? correct. Only one of them can be used and should be, whichever it is. My guess, based on the equality of how things are done, is equal, and, my personal favourite: whole sign houses.

posted December 16, 2009 05:04 PM            

I have sun,moon,venus in scorpio in 2nd house in my sr

posted December 16, 2009 05:55 PM            

Good God! And it looked so promising.

Here's my chart:
It is as I suspect right? I didn't get it wrong or anything? My chart Ruler in transit will never hit anything until well after I am dead, or in my 90s. God! I might as well kill myself now!

I hear you on the traditional rulership thing. It does get confusing. Alright.

Fatalistic? Darn straight.

posted December 16, 2009 06:11 PM            

Coffee -
edit: in other words, if you have a slow moving chart ruler, like Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, and have most if not all your planets in 1st and 4th quadrants, you're screwed?! Harsh.

posted December 16, 2009 06:45 PM            

A few extra thoughts to spiral for you
...I also see the fame in 10th as the manifesting house (Saturn) where the world sees our accomplishments from the work we do in 6th house...again this would be derived 5th "expression" of work performed in the 6th.
The 11th like aKat said is the acknowledgement by others of how we "earned" (2nd house derived from the 10th) our status

posted December 16, 2009 06:49 PM            

please remember your co-ruler Mars and utilize this gift you have. He is strong in Scorpio and in your 1st house.
Its really up to you ..."Me", "Myself" and "I" = Mars...what you manifest in your life

posted December 16, 2009 07:05 PM            

Mars is my only hope.

posted December 16, 2009 07:29 PM            

I know you can do it...you have good natal aspects...what also sticks out big for me is both your rulers in same degree, so Mars (you) draws even more strength from Pluto - meditate on the 25th degree

All the best

posted December 16, 2009 07:47 PM            

I have moon in middle of house 11, venus,NN,mars in the end of house 11 and in abundance of asteroids like horus/philia/algol in start of house 11. I also have much more asteroids on my venus/NN/mars stellium wich also trine my saturn...

I've a lots of friends and get easy contact to people.
I was poor once a time. In time I am rich and earn much money. I did good investments.

posted December 16, 2009 08:40 PM            

Friends have always come easily but I have an awful habit of "poofing" randomly. I need a lot of personal space.

Venus + Mars conjunct my ASC by 1 & 2 degrees.

posted December 18, 2009 09:06 AM              

well i have a loaded 11th.the cusp is in Leo.

i have there :

Leo MARs cj Valentine cj Silver cj Karma cj Fortuna
Leo Venus
Virgo Sun

but im a person who puts high value on privacy and im a rather shy girl.

I pursue my dream of fashion adviser and i feel good on helping others.

posted December 18, 2009 01:23 PM            

capricorn ascendant with saturn, mars and pluto in the 10th house all in scorpio. Libra midheaven.
uranus in the 11th house.
jupiter (exact) and neptune conjunct the ascendant in the 12th house.

transiting pluto conjunct ascendant going exact in a few weeks. pluto also square moon. saturn square ascendant and opposite moon.

i am obsessed with fame right now. the dreams actually started about a year ago, but now its every single nite i dream about celebrities. beyonce is the most common.