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amowls*
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posted January 06, 2010 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
I've only experienced Moon/Mars as hard aspects in a double whammy. Venus/Mars in a conjunction and trine.

Venus/Mars was definitely more comfortable, but that might've been the nature of the aspects, not the planets themselves.

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posted January 06, 2010 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Amowls, I think I feel much life yourself.I did NOT like the Moon/Mars conjunction in a relationship... Great for attraction but not so easy to live with! I was the Moon and just felt so vulnerable to the Mars fella. Every little thing he said I was sensitive to and he wasn't a particularly positive guy.

I agree the sex is more primitive...(which I didn't like)... as a Libran I like equality on all levels of the relationship, certainly don't want to be dragged into the bedroom by my hair!.... Well not EVERY time lol...

I was not comfortable with the emotional intimacy... it felt more like an aggressive intimacy or a little invasive.

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posted January 06, 2010 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I wouldn't mind Mars conjuncting my Venus, but I wouldn't want it conjuncting my Moon......too hard on my Moon and it aggravates my t-square......squaring the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini and Neptune in Sagittarius,Jupiter in Sagittarius. If it's closely conjunct my Moon within 1 degree,then it will be opposing my Saturn/Neptune midpoint. I also don't think that she would like my transneptunian,Varuna squaring her Mars. Varuna squares my Moon with only 10 minutes.


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Polo C
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posted January 06, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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I was the Moon and just felt so vulnerable to the Mars fella. Every little thing he said I was sensitive to

This is interesting Quinnie. Vulnerable you say... So the Moon / Mars conjunction leaves the Moon person completely open emotionally. I imagine that could be quite uncomfortable if the Mars person isn't aware of this fact. The Mars person needs to be extra delicate in handling the Moon person emotionally. Seems this would increase intimacy between the two if done properly.

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I was not comfortable with the emotional intimacy... it felt more like an aggressive intimacy or a little invasive.

I can relate to this. As I said above, there is no room for insensitivity or aggression with this degree of emotional intimacy. More and more I am coming to understand that these various astrological aspects call us to mature in certain ways so that we can achieve an overall psychological balance. In doing this we raise our consciousness. In the situation you describe the other person seems to need to learn the lesson of tenderness. If so, you may have had a different opinion about this aspect.

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posted January 06, 2010 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely Polo C.
Everything you said ...spot on!

Just to add though that the Moon/Mars conjunction was in Aquarius, so I do think there was emotional immaturity on both parts and most definitely he was learning how to be tender and sensitive.
I on the other hand was learning to be more assertive, and confident with my emotions.

With the conjunction being in Aquarius, freedom was a big factor as we were tightly knit together for a while which probably suffocated us both!

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posted January 06, 2010 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
oooh I should add that consequently after this short relationship I begain a relationship with
a man who had VENUS in Aquarius, although it is not conjunct my Moon.

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posted January 06, 2010 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
We have that conjunction in Aquarius also. Her Moon conjuncts my Mars. She's exactly like you as far as being sensitive to everything I say. Sometimes I can ask her what the weather is like outside and she almost starts to cry... LOL! No no... I'm just kidding, it isn't that bad, but I said that to make my point that one needs to be aware of how emotionally open this aspect makes a person. You described it best Quinnie when you used the word "Vulnerable".

There is a lot of intensity between us, some bad some good, but all intense. I never know how I may feel when I see her. It's the weirdest thing! The vulnerability I experience seems to happen at a deep subconscious level. I always used to explain it by saying that she seems to have access to areas within me were only God should be able to go. It can make one feel a bit... uneasy.

Those emotions, plus the telepathy, made me take the concept of soul mates and twin flames seriously. I never did before this. I guess the combination of Moon / Mars (subconscious emotion) and Eros / Psyche (intuitive knowing) would make anyone reconsider the nature of relationships.

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posted January 06, 2010 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
All I can say is she is not "normally" that emotionally sensitive! And yes becuase it is so "primitive" as Ursa put it... it is accessing an instinctual part of you that goes beyond the words, culture etc.

I CAN relate then! I think it was also a soul-mate experience for me, albeit a temporary one. We were better off as friends and yet I don't think we ever could be just friends!

All I can say is it sounds like you have the knowledge to deal with it. She is super-sensitve towards you, its part pf the interaction you share because it's like the cells in your body react to one another. lol

Good luck! lol

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posted January 06, 2010 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond,

your example shows how important it is to take the whole chart into account.

Having said that, I once knew a guy whose Mars was in SCorpio exactly squaring my Aquarius-Moon.
I thought he was hot beyond words!

But his Scorpio Mars didn`t "hurt" any other planets of mine. It was trine my Juno and trine my Saturn (Grand Trine).

On the other hand I also knew a guy whose Mars was in Libra, exact trine my Moon; and even though I was attracted to him, there was also something that was putting me off. He was too "young" for my taste. Not his biological age.
Well, his Mars was squaring my Saturn and opposing my Chiron, so this definitely tarnished the Mars-Moon-trine for me.

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posted January 07, 2010 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
The Moon vs. Venus

Astrologers generally consider Venus to be the planet of love. This, however, is somewhat misleading. Venus describes the form in which an individual can recognize love or approval. The sign, house and aspects involving the natal Venus can describe the ways in which the person gained appreciation within the family structure. So someone with Venus in Capricorn might be appreciated for her sense of discipline, while someone else with Venus in Cancer was approved for her sensitive and caring nature. Venus, then, is a highly socialized planet, one whose expression doesn't necessarily correspond with our deepest needs, but is a learned value.

Venus is a step towards intimacy, it is the sweet attraction that pulls us towards another person (or him/her towards us). Magnetism, though, is not intimacy; it's not even love. It is important, vital in fact, if a meaningful relationship is going to develop, but relationships primarily built on Venus contacts may not last long or go very deep. Venus is a "horizontal" planet. It has to do with how we reach out to another person or object that attracts us. It does not, however, necessarily reflect our deepest needs. These needs, this pathway to intimacy, falls in the domain of the Moon.

The Moon is the primary feminine archetype in astrology. The relationship with mother is the basis for all future relationships. It was one of total dependency, the only physically necessary relationship in life. We can not exist without mother's presence (at least until birth). Fathers are vital for conception, after that they're optional, albeit desirable.

Closeness, then, comes through the Moon. It comes through connecting with our deepest needs, recognizing them and taking the risk to share them with the person we love. This vulnerability is a key element of intimacy. If we don't let our partner in we live parallel lives, rather than lives of true intimacy.

When we stay at the level of Venus, however, the need to be liked dominates the need to be heard. Closeness requires a willingness to move past the approval level and touch the soul. When we share our deepest feelings, fears and secrets we can open ourselves. Letting the other in is a challenge, particularly for men or women with strong Fire in their charts. Receiving is as much of an art as giving. Working with the Moon means allowing for changes, for inconsistencies. We're not talking about a fixed model of ideal partnership, we're seeking a living relationship between growing and changing human beings.

We can understand Venus as describing what we like, sort of what tastes good to us, but like sweet sugar in the mouth, the pleasure it gives is nice, but might not be very fulfilling. The Moon describes what feeds us. Therefore, it is important that we understand the relationship between Venus and the Moon in our natal charts. If the two are in conflict, extra attention may need to be paid to make sure that pleasure feeds us, rather than leaving us undernourished.

Someone with Venus in Cancer, for example, might appreciate the cozy and caring aspects of a love affair. But if the Moon is in Aries, space for spontaneity must also be included. This person can be very responsive to the partner much of the time (all other chart factors being equal), but suddenly pull away to reclaim her/his individual space. This can lead to confusion for both partners. It's really about addressing two very different needs. The difficulty is that Venus and the Moon are close enough in their natures to mislead us into reading one for the other. Liking and needing are not the same thing. The form of love (Venus) and the substance of emotion (the Moon) may or may not be similar for a given individual.

Love, in a living form, is not constant. We don't feel the same way about one another every day, because we don't feel the same way about ourselves. Now I'm not talking about wild mood swings here, just the natural ebb and flow of attraction that is part of the human condition. Venus' attraction is balanced by Mars' struggle to maintain individuality. This is why couples need to fight, to push one another away to regain their individuality. When this is conscious it can be included in the dance, a normal process that neither has to be ashamed of.

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posted January 07, 2010 04:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
'Yes, that is the article I was referring to.

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posted January 07, 2010 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
What a coincidence! That's Synchronicity!!!

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Lara
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posted January 10, 2010 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
How would moon cj mars exact play out?
his moon exact cj her moon and his pluto exact trine her moon.

Would it be sexy or just a nightmare and full of power struggles and hurt please?

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posted January 10, 2010 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Blue Moon
LOL. Ami

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posted January 10, 2010 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
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Would it be sexy or just a nightmare and full of power struggles and hurt please?

How was it for you in your own personal experience?

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posted January 10, 2010 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I've never experienced it. I would have thought the exactness would make it v noticeable and powerful yet not sure in what way... would it just be sexual?

I don't know much about moon/mars

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posted January 10, 2010 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Polo C     Edit/Delete Message
Some have said they don't like it, but others have said that they like it a lot. I think the consistent theme with this conjunction is emotional vulnerability. This is fabulous for sexual intimacy, but in arguments it makes each very sensitive to the other's slights and hurt feelings come easily. If they cherish one another properly then they should be able to reap the benefits and avoid the detriment.

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posted January 10, 2010 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
My Moon is at 19'12 Capricorn and my ex's Mars is at 18'44 Capricorn.

My own Mars is 2'35 Capricorn.

I did not feel emotionally vulnerable in this relationship. I felt strengthened. His overall energy makes me feel good.
(My Sun 12' Aries is also conjunct his Moon at 13' Aries)

It's very difficult to compare particular aspects. I could see why someone might feel "emotionally vulnerable" when another person's Mars touches their Moon - but probably due to the rest of our synastry.. I didn't feel this way.

We CAN have heated arguments.. It's not all sugar and spice. We're still in touch as friends and still have heated arguments on occasion - usually over something entirely silly and minor. Rarely, I have found him too aggressive.. but my own Mars is in Capricorn, so I kind of understand his motivations.

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