posted March 22, 2010 02:23 AM            

I'm turning 25 at the end of June so this isn't gonna be relevant in a couple of months.

I hope you find it interesting, maybe you can tell me why I'm not barefoot and pregnant yet (HAHA) but i will admit that in this SR i've gone from,
"Yuck, get those little ppl away from me cos they cramp my style and my career is my baby" to..
"yeah, i definitely wanna be a mum one day..soon. Before I'm 30" LOL. My ovaries are reminding me I only got 20yrs left to have a family.

And the rest of the info (cos i read these things better than a chart lol but that's just me being a dumb blonde)

Still single and very un-pregnant LMAO whyyyyyyyy????? hahaha

posted March 22, 2010 02:49 AM            

*The moon, ruler of the 5th, is in the 1st house.
*The moon opposes Pluto by 1 degree.
*Saturn conjuncts the 4th house (in Gemini)
*4th house is empty - ruler of the 4th is in the 12th (no, the pregnancy was not a secret)
*Interestingly, her South Node for that SR chart is in the 5th house in Cancer lol
*Ceres is in her 9th house, square ascendant, and trine Moon by 1-2 degrees.

posted March 22, 2010 02:59 AM            

My mom's biological mother's Solar Return was March 28, 1953 to March 28, 1954

My mom was born on June 13, 1954...so conceived in the 1953-1954 Solar Return period.
My mom's halfsister was born on May 14, 1953..so was born during the 1953-1954 Solar Return period.

Retrograde Venus conjunct Mars in 5th
Transneptunian Dwarf Planet Candidate,Sedna in 5th oppose Saturn-Neptune (both retrograde) conjunction in 11th

Moon in 10th oppose Mercury in 4th
Sun conjunct Eris in 4th

Dwarf planet/Plutoid,Makemake in 8th square Saturn-Neptune in 11th and Sedna in 5th t-square, sextile Moon in 10th

Dwarf planet/Plutoid,Haumea conjunct Pluto in 9th,trine Sedna in 5th,sextile Neptune in 11th, parallel Ceres

Dwarf planet candidate,Varuna conjunct Mars in 5th, parallel Moon and Sedna

Dwarf planet candidate,Quaoar in 10th oppose Sun,square Midheaven

My mom's biological mother never wanted my mother. She married my grandfather for his allotment check. My grandfather was in the Marines. My mother was given up by her mother, but my grandfather kept after he returned from Korea. The sham marriage also occurred during the Solar Return period that she conceived my mother. Ceres and Part of Fortune are in 7th house.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 05:08 AM            

1st child.
SR 5th ruler/cancer.
SR moon in n 1st
N 4th ruler/sag - N 5th ruler/capricorn - SR jupiter cj n saturn - SR saturn cj n sun.

2nd child.
SR AC cancer
SR moon in natal 5th!
SR 4th ruler/virgo - n AC ruler.

3rd child.
SR AC cancer.
SR moon in SR 1st house!
SR saturn/n 5th ruler cj SR AC

posted March 22, 2010 08:24 AM              

I need to know what your chart looks like.

posted March 22, 2010 08:28 AM              

Its very simple.

posted March 22, 2010 09:31 AM            

I have a question concerning this:

"If Pluto in 5th house is significant for pregnancy/conception, then it's logical to think that the other dwarf planets in 5th house are significant for pregnancy/conception."

I have often read that in several of your posts, that if Pluto is significant for something, the other Dwarf planets are, too.

But I wonder, don`t the other Dwarf planets have symbolism on their own?
Isn`t it a little bit like saying whenever a planet - any planet- is in 5th house, it will be significant for conception / birth?

This is not meant as an attack in anyway, I am just not clear why all Dwarf planets should have the same symbolism as Pluto?

I would think that maybe Makemake could be another hint, too?
You said in one of your last posts to me, that it represents "fertility" among other things, so maybe if Makemake is in 5th house of the solar chart, this could be a good time for conception / birth?

EDIT:
I just read a bit on.
You mentioned Haumea as well as Sedna, and Ceres is also a Dwarf planet.

posted March 22, 2010 09:31 AM            

doesn't work that way for my mom

Solar Return period for when she conceived my half brother who was born December 1969

Solar Return period for when she conceived me. I was born October 29, 1971

Like I said before, Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planet,Haumea was in 5th house trine Ascendant and sextile Mars in the Solar Return.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 09:52 AM            

well...Pluto is a transneptunian dwarf planet. It was assigned ruler of Scorpio and 8th house because it was the only transneptunian object that was discovered at the time. It thought to be as large as our Earth until it's moon,Charon was discovered which allowed astronomers to determine Pluto's true size and mass. The astrologers thought it was a planet, and so they gave it rulership over a sign and house and other things that were assigned to other planets. They did the same with Uranus and Neptune in regards to modern rulerships. Unlike Uranus and Neptune, Pluto is not a planet. It's one of over a thousand transneptunian objects. That wasn't discovered until 1992.

"This is not meant as an attack in anyway, I am just not clear why all Dwarf planets should have the same symbolism as Pluto?"

They don't have the same symbolism as Pluto.
I never said that they did. It makes sense for Orcus and Ixion to have very similar astrological energies to Pluto because they have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune just like Pluto. That's why they are classed as plutinos. It's logical to think that they are astrologically similar. Astronomers only give underworld names for objects that have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune.

I just made a point that they are transneptunian objects like Pluto. If transneptunian dwarf planet,Pluto has significance in houses including the 5th house, then the other transneptunian dwarf planets do too. Even for that matter, the transneptunian dwarf planet candidates. Also as transneptunians, they would have similar effects because they are transneptunian objects. It's like Uranus and Neptune could have similar effects because they are TransSaturnian objects,and they are given given rulerships of universal zodiac signs, Aquarius and Pisces ruled by the social planets, Jupiter and Saturn. Uranus and Neptune are planets associated with certain types of intuition,creativity as well as metaphysical orientation.

Imho Mainstream Astrology is very outdated with the discovery of a vast region of transneptunian objects.
Pluto has rulerships over a sign and house, but there are other big transneptunian objects that don't have that. 3 objects are equal to Pluto in Astronomy right now in regards to classification. Ceres,Makemake,and Haumea. There are more that are going to join the dwarf planet club. Some of them haven't been named yet, and 2 of them are larger than Ceres. 2002 AW197 and 2007 OR10 nicknamed "Snow White". The latter is between the size of Sedna and Quaoar which are both larger than Ceres.

That's why I even made adjustments like using only 3 degree orb for Pluto just like I use for the other dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates. If we use the same orbs for Pluto for the luminaries,planets, then we might as well as use the same orbs for Pluto's fellow big transneptunians and Ceres.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 09:57 AM            

Yes, I agree with you.

To me the question is not, if they are significant, but for what issues they are significant.

I have no opinion on Pluto in 5th house being significant for conception / birth. I actually think that Sun, Moon or Ceres or Haumea or Makemake make more sense in that regard.

I just wanted to point out, that we have to consider the particular symbolism of the objects.

posted March 22, 2010 10:22 AM            

Jeffrey Wolf Green devised his Evolutionary Astrology system when Pluto was thought to be the most distant object in our solar system. Therefore, he viewed Pluto as the soul and evolutionary intent. That's how he interprets Pluto in charts.

But the discovery of numerous transneptunians make it more complicated than that.

When Chiron was discovered, it was thought to be a unique object. It was thought to originate outside our solar system. In 1992, astronomers found another object like Chiron. Then they kept finding more until now over 60 centaurs have been discovered. Now, they say that they originate from the kuiper belt.

Philip Sedgwick refers to Pluto and its fellow big transneptunian objects as evolutionary intensified objects which means that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

so a big transneptunian in 5th house or aspecting the 5th would about emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence of the body intending to enhance the insight,inspiration,creativity,and consciousness of a person on Earth in the area of self expression,creativity,children,and romance.

to put in shorter terms
A big transneptunian (and that includes Pluto) in 5th house can be about evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences involving self expression,creativity,children,and romance.

Having a child fits with that.

my mom had Haumea in 5th in her Solar Return period of her conception of me. Haumea is the transneptunian dwarf planet aka Plutoid named after Hawaiian Fertility creation goddess. In her natal chart, she has a minor grand trine of Sun in Gemini in 12th,Pluto-Haumea in Leo in 3rd,Neptune in Libra in 5th. Therefore,she has Haumea aspecting a planet in 5th house in her natal chart.
I have Haumea conjunct Ascendant and square Midheaven in my natal chart.

She had Venus-Saturn-Varuna in 11th oppose Neptune in 5th in her Solar Return period of her giving birth to me.
Varuna is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate.
so evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences in the areas of friendships in connection to children

I have Moon square the opposition of Saturn-Varuna and Neptune in my natal chart. So I was born with the Saturn-Varuna oppose Neptune that my mom had in her Solar Return period that she had me, and it is personalized with it being square my Moon.

Philip Sedgwick's site has preliminary keywords for both transneptunians and centaurs http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 10:26 AM            

I ordered my mom's birth certificate just to figure out her chart in 1999. I first saw her birth certificate when I was a kid. I even ordered her birth certificate copy last year.

I ordered birth certificate copies of my 4 maternal aunts,uncles too in 2003. I was interested in looking at family patterns.

so yeah..I am very sure of my mom's birthtime. I even have the sucker memorized.

I got my mom's biological mother's birth certificate back in 1994 when I was trying to find her for my mom. She was born in San Francisco,California like myself. I have her birthtime memorized too.

so I am 3rd generation Californian on my mom's side. My maternal grandfather was born in Bryte,California too. His birthtime is on his birth certificate. I have his birthtime memorized. His mother was born in Sebastopol,California. I never got her birth certificate. I am 4th generation Californian on his mother's side.

California seems good for keeping track of birth times.

I was very disappointed when I got my biological father's New Orleans,Louisiana birth certificate without a birthtime on it. I really wanted to know what he was like. I felt that Astrology would be a great way to help me understand what he was like. I did find it interesting that he had Moon in Pisces like me and my maternal grandfather. He even had stationary retrograde Neptune.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 01:10 PM              

i talked with Belgz,and according to the studies she did,it will not work for me.nor this year or next year.or the rest that are in the short term..

i saw my Mom´s chart too!

time me and my twin were conceived.i guessed it more or less around 15feb 1983.we were born qith 6. and a half months only.

but i have this problem my mother was born at 20th feb.if i choose SR of 198/83 the date is right there at the last period:from Feb 1982 till Feb 1983.

do i choose this one?

Time of Conception of 1st Child

Time of conception 2st child

Time of conception of Twins

posted March 22, 2010 01:29 PM              

SR ASC cj HAUMEA!
SR Makemake cj nPLUTO!
SR Moon in 3rd with IC cj nCeres!
SR VX and lilith in 5th falls into n4TH
Stellium in SR 7th wichi ven/Ceres/SUN falls into the 5th

SR 4thruler in the SR 2nd cj Uranus
SR 5Th ruler in thE SR 1oth falls n8TH

n4thRuler jup in 10th SR
n5thRuler Uranus in 2nd SR cj Pluto.

2nd BABY

SR PLuto in the nASC
SR AC Ruler in the 5th
SR 5TH with sun/ven/NN there
SR MERC ruler of n12th in the SR4TH
SR 4THRUler in the SR 7Th
SR 5TH Ruler in the SR 12TH ( IT WAsnt a secret,althought the 1st baby was)
SR MARS is cj Sedna
SR MC was cj Makemake and NN
SR Moon in the 11th of hopes and desires

n4thruler is in the 1st SR HOUSE
n5th ruler is in the 12th SR house

3rd Baby the Twins

SR AC was cj Haumea!
SR AC ruler was placed in the SR 5th
SR jup cj nCeres
Neptune cj nIC ruler of n6th and SR7th
MOON is conveniently placed in SR 5TH
SR MC on Moon - moon on an angle.

in two times she had Neptune on the 4th which rules her sun and 6th...

in two times she had stellium on the 7th

posted March 22, 2010 01:33 PM            

The year that Lil Missy was born, 2009 - SR chart had Pluto in the 5th only. 2008 SR had nothing remarkable.

2009 in my boyfriend's natal chart had jupiter transiting his 5th house. He natally has north node in his 5th and his sun in Aqua is in the 4th.

posted March 22, 2010 02:45 PM              

you´re right! indeed one it was in the 11th and the other in the 5th...the nodes!

i would also love to know if asteroids are important here specially this one:

4580 Child

and maybe Vertex plays a role too?children are always fated events.wether we are conscious of it or not.

Ceres is definatellly important and in my Mothers charts the Haumea,Sedna and Makemake seem to figure strongly aspected!

let me see the years of birth

1st child

SR AC falls into n2nd
SR Ruler of asc in SR 3rd cj srIC
SR moon/merc/mars/satu/kiron in SR 5H
SR cHILD CJ sedna cj DSC falls n8th
SR anGEL AND NN in 8th cj nChild
SR Jup in 8th cj nMoon
SR mAKEMAKE cj nPluto

2nd child

SR moon in 1st falls n4th
SR 5th ruler in the SR 1stH
Sr 4th ruler in the 12H
SR NN in 2nd falls n5H
SR IC cj nVEnus and Sedna
SR Pluto cj nASC
SR child cj nMoon

Twins

SR AC falls n3rd
SR eRuler of asc in sr 1st with uranus ( we were unexpected pregnancy and born before the time we should have been born)

SR Neptune cj nIC
SR VE/MARs in 4th falls nDSC
SR cHILD cj nSedna and Venus
SR Kiron cj CHild ( we were born with 6and half months becaus my mother got nervous when our sister has burned herself in the kitchen.my mom entered in labour then.

SR MOON on SR7H cj nUranus 9H
SR NN in 8th cj n Saturn
SR Tyche cj Angel
SR Pluto cj nTyche