posted March 22, 2010 03:14 PM              

this year

moon cj pluto in SR 1st.
SR AC falls 3rd with ruler in SR 2th.CJ nCeres/Lith
SR NN in sr 1st falls n4th
SR IC cj Vertex in 7th
hmmmm nMoon in 8th falls into SR 5H though never saw this one

SR DSC cj nNN this one is hot!!i know...i already looked at my SR trizillion times!

SR STEllium of sun/ven/vERX in 8th

i noticed something in JOhns chart though:

SR moon cj SR Lilith cj SR NN cj nDSC:lilith is suposed to mean hurt isnt it?

posted March 22, 2010 03:18 PM            

But again - if you really are trying and it's not happening, maybe something like Lilith on the Moon or nodes might mean miscarriage even. But I wouldn't take this as 100%! This is all just speculation.

SO far for pregnancy I have seen:

*Pluto in 5th
*Pluto aspecting Moon (hard aspect)
*Ceres to asc/Moon/or Sun
*Moon and Mars
*Cancer on 5th house cusp
*Moon in 1st house

I think hard planets to soft planets makes sense too!

posted March 22, 2010 03:26 PM              

Hmm but how do we know what place to go?we would have to study some places and see how will the chart look like,is it?

i was seeing my SR for 11/2012 i think that there might be a probability here:

and it will coincide with my 1st Saturn Return.

SR AC in Cancer cj Angel
SR Moon in 3rd but cj nHaumea
SR IC cj AC
SR VX and NN in SR 5TH!
SR Pluto in sr6th but cj nIC
SR 8THcUPS CJ nCeres
n Moon falls SR 11H cj Sedna
n 4thRuler is placed in SR 4H with Haumea
SR Uranus(ruler of my n5th) cj n DSC

Jonnhy

posted March 22, 2010 03:37 PM              

im not trying to conceive.to be honest i want t have a baby only when im more or less 28 or 29.im still in the 26!

the ting is that many people told me about a possible pregnancy this or next year.not only astrologically but also a friend who everytime i go there or my Mom,says that sees a baby for me in these upcoming times.

im really doing everything not to conceive!aahaha hmmm lilith is intriguing cause i have natally a ceres in 5th cj lilith

posted March 22, 2010 03:40 PM            

Yes, if you've been taking the pill since 14 it would be good to let your body get a break for about a year. Just because it would be better for your body!

posted March 22, 2010 03:52 PM            

Diandra,
If you've taken the pill for that long you need at least a year off it before you consider a baby! Plus you need to have regular heart, thyroid, thrombosis and cervix checks - every year.

posted March 22, 2010 03:55 PM            

You're such a Virgo...the first to make the list here to conclude the observations in this thread

I'll add to your list -Nodes across 5th/11th house - a VERY prominent sign of pregnancy/birth, as well as Neptune in the 4th or 5th

Also, I am noticing SR ACS in Libra quite a lot!!!! How come?
And almost in every SR chart I've seen - Moon in any aspect to Venus!

SO far for pregnancy:

*Pluto in 5th
*Nodes across 5th/11th house
*Moon in 1st house or on an angle!
*Moon aspecting Venus
*Libra or Cancer ASC
*Neptune in 4th or 5th house
*Pluto aspecting Moon (hard aspect)
*Ceres to asc/Moon/or Sun
*ruler of 4th or 5th house in the 5th house

posted March 22, 2010 04:00 PM            

The stuff that you listed that included Makemake and Haumea were very interested. Midheaven conjunct Makemake and Ascendant conjunct Haumea are significant.

They are no joke. I'd always look at Pluto's fellow big transneptunians and Ceres. They are part of the 21st Century Astrology.

Basics change over time with each discovery that astronomers made. Astrology is all about change and progression. That's why Astrology is said to be ruled by Uranus. In astrological systems that don't use the TransSaturnians, Astrology is ruled by Mercury.

Astrology is full of diversity but also with discord that astrologers disagree so much with that astrology skeptics point out that out to discredit Astrology. Even Steven Forrest said that there is a Tower of Babel situation in Astrological community at an astrological conference when he talked about the future of Astrology. I even think Eris is a co-ruler of Astrology. I definitely think of it as ruler of 21st Century Astrology.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 04:37 PM            

I think hard planets to soft planets makes sense too!"

My mother had Moon-Uranus aspects in both Solar Return periods that she got pregnant.

She was 14 when she got pregnant with my half brother,and that was definitely an unplanned pregnancy. Moon in Capricorn trine Uranus in Virgo. Moon trine Pluto in Virgo. Moon sextile Neptune in Scorpio. Moon square Saturn in Aries. Moon square Ceres in Libra. She was moved away from home. She was forced to give up for adoption right after she gave birth to him. She ran away to San Francisco and met my father 2 months later.

She was only 16 when she got pregnant with me, and that was not a planned pregnancy either. Moon conjunct Uranus in Libra. Moon square Mars in Cancer. She was a teenage runaway at the time and living with my father in San Francisco.

She also had Sun-Ceres aspects in both Solar Returns too. Sun trine Ceres in the Solar Return period for the conception of my half brother. Sun sextile Ceres in the Solar Return period for my conception. She also had Sun square Pluto in both Solar Returns.

She also had significant Venus stuff for both Solar Returns.

for my half brother:
Sun-Venus-Mars conjunction. Sun parallel Venus. Therefore she has Sun-Venus occultation. The Sun-Venus square Pluto.

for me:
Natal Venus conjunct Solar Return Venus (she had Venus Return the day before her Solar Return). Sun parallel Venus. Venus trine Neptune. Venus square Jupiter. Venus sextile Pluto.

June 13, 1954
Oakland,California (born in a naval hospital)
6:26 AM

Birthdata source:
Birth Certificate

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 04:53 PM            

it looks like Venus does play a significant role in the SR in terms of pregnancy, by aspects and location. Hence the Libra ASC thats popping around those *pregnant* ncharts

posted March 22, 2010 05:15 PM            

it looks like Venus does play a significant role in the SR in terms of pregnancy, by aspects and location. Hence the Libra ASC thats popping around those *pregnant* ncharts"

There is some astrological logic behind it.

according to

Rex E Bill's THE RULERSHIP BOOK

procreation,procreative urges and activities - 5th house, Moon, Venus, Pluto,and Mars

procreative act, the - Pluto,Scorpio, Mars,Venus

pregnancy - 5th house, Moon (Venus)

conception of offspring - Moon (5th house,Venus)

It makes sense that Venus could be significant in pregnancies.

Cosmobiologist don't even use houses,and so they wouldn't even bother with 5th house. They would pay attention to Moon and Venus as wells as midpoints involving them including even if its part of a half sum. They also look at Mars-Jupiter combinations including Mars/Jupiter midpoint.

I believe Pluto was listed because it rules Scorpio and 8th house. It certainly doesn't have anything to do with any mythological archetype when it comes to fertility,creating beings. Some astrological systems don't even use Pluto like Vedic,Hellenistic,and Classical Astrological systems. They don't use any of the modern sign rulerships.

I think that Pluto's big fellow transneptunians can be just as involved. Haumea and Makemake are both named after fertility creation deities. Sedna is also a creation goddess whose cut off fingers formed into animals of the sea in Inuit Mythology. Quaoar was named after a Native American Tongva tribe creation God.

Imho Mainstream Astrology is outdated with the recent discoveries of Astronomy.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 22, 2010 06:34 PM            

It is not as if you will get pregnant (despite the high chances according the sr) if you are using methods to prevent conception, correct?

posted March 22, 2010 09:05 PM            

It is not as if you will get pregnant (despite the high chances according the sr) if you are using methods to prevent conception, correct?"

Exactly

Free will is the ultimate factor, and that is something that I always stress as an astrologer. I don't believe in cause and effect Astrology whatsoever.

In my current Solar Return period,
I have Venus conjunct Haumea.
I have Sun conjunct Ceres
I have Sun trine Moon (same as my natal)
I have Natal Moon conjunct Solar Return Moon.

Those things don't necessarily mean that I am going to procreate. It just means that there is a possibility that I might.

I am not the type to go into bars and just hook up with any gal and sleep with her. I would like to get to know the gal for awhile before I even do. I want a deep spiritual connection with a woman. She and I have to have many things in common including especially spiritual/religious views, political views,and especially neurodiversity.

also there are STDs and HIV,AIDS to avoid.

Those things alone could make me less likely to procreate.

There are also thinking about future consequences for my actions that include what if's

What if I get together with this woman, she has my child, and then we break up....I am tied to her for the rest of my life even though I would be glad to have my child" I'd rather have a child with a woman that I will have a lifelong relationship with.

Look at me...I am the illegitimate child of a father that I never knew. My mother is the product of a sham marriage that didn't even really last year. My grandfather found his lifelong partner in his 2nd wife who he had 4 children with, was married to for 40 years until his death.

I don't intend to make the same mistake that my mother and maternal grandfather did.

I want to pick the right woman to have a child with.

I don't have to knock up a gal if I don't want to.

That's the example of my free will.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 23, 2010 02:35 AM            

I'm also scared of the changes to the body, i was almost 3 months pregnant when i was 17 before it was terminated and my little body couldn't handle the sickness, not eating, the pressure on my bladder, the big sore boobs (and now they're deflated to a nice B..greaaat)..argh even being pregnant is a discomfort i refuse to go through.

My mama was lucky with me, of course i was facing the wrong way (there's a cheeky Aries ASC for ya) so back in the mid-80s, they put her to sleep and cut me out. I've always wondered if thats why me and my mum had a hard time bonding, cos she didn't get to see or hold me when i came out in this world (poor little cancer here lol)

But my brother..he was a big fat baby and cos my mum is a tiny woman like myself, he couldn't get out her pelvis so they got the forceps to pull him out! He still has the scars lol. But yeah, ew and ow.

posted March 23, 2010 02:49 AM            

My little sister was the opposite - she was like 6 weeks EARLY and arrived during a doctor's visit, without ceremony...in all of 15 minutes ... can you believe it????? I think that's probably the best thing to have happen with delivery. My mother said it hurt like hell but was over so quickly. I pray for that. I am not so damned 'evolved' to have a natural birth. No thank you. LOL.