posted March 22, 2010 12:22 AM            

Has anyone researched and found recuring signs of pregnancy in solar return chart?
The LL girls who already have given birth, how your SR chart looked like the year your baby was conceived or born?

I've heard that Pluto or the Nodes being in the 5th house of the SR chart is quite often to see. Also, the SR Ascedent ruler in natal 5th house is quite a prominent sign.

posted March 22, 2010 12:27 AM            

Pluto is a dwarf planet.
If Pluto in 5th house is significant for pregnancy/conception, then it's logical to think that the other dwarf planets in 5th house are significant for pregnancy/conception.

I was born on October 29, 1971
My mom's June 12, 1970 to June 12 1971 Solar Return period is the period when she conceived me.

My mother had Pluto's fellow dwarf planet/Plutoid, Haumea in the 5th house in the Solar Return period that she got pregnant with me.
It was conjunct the South Lunar Node with 2 degree orb, trine Ascendant with 42 minutes of arc and sextile Mars with 34 minutes of arc in the Solar Return.

Haumea is named after the Hawaiian creation fertility Goddess.

I know that's very significant. It's even more significant because I have Haumea conjunct the Ascendant and square my Midheaven. Therefore, I am prominent in Haumea energy.

I'd think dwarf planet,Ceres in 5th would be significant for pregnancies too. It's associated with mother,nurturing,and reproduction.

as for Pluto in her Solar Return,
Pluto in 6th trine Midheaven with 2'59 orb and square Sun with 2'42 orb.

Raymond

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posted March 22, 2010 12:34 AM            

You use the location where you had your Solar Return.

Raymond

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posted March 22, 2010 12:57 AM            

He was born December 1969.
My mother's Solar Return period of June 12 1968 to June 12 1969 is the period of when she conceived my half brother.

no discovered large transneptunian objects in her 5th. nothing else in her 5th.

looking at her Moon which represents female reproductive system

Moon in 3rd house trine Pluto and Uranus in 11th, square Saturn in 6th

Ceres conjunct the Ascendant (Ceres was rising in the Solar Return),and Moon square that.

also
Sun-Venus-Mars conjunction in 8th square Uranus in 11th

as for Pluto:
trine Moon - 1'19,square Sun with 1'46 orb,square Venus with 16 orb

The father of my mom's half brother was her step maternal 1st cousin (her stepmother's nephew)

Raymond

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posted March 22, 2010 01:02 AM            

I am reading a website right now, which talks about Britney's pregnancy and investigates her chart for pregnancy symptoms(amids the rumors of her being pregnant in 2005 and before she gave birth).

So, according to this site, looking at the Converse Progression chart is a must!

-"When looking at her progressed horoscope for some additional information, we notice the following positions mid 2005:

Converse progressed Moon at 2° Aries is exactly opposite her natal Ascendant (indicating pregnancy)
Converse progressed Venus is exactly opposite natal MC
Converse progressed Sun at 15° Scorpio
Converse progressed MC is exactly opposite her natal Sun (ruler of her natal 11th house)
Converse Progressed Mars is conjunct converse progressed Ascendant.

Here too the converse progressed Moon and Venus are on an angle and thus very prominent. Also the natal Sun and progressed Mars are prominent on the progressed angles. "

Also, they talk about the importance of intercepted 5th house in the Solar Return chart:

-"We notice that there is an intercepted sign in the 5th and 11th house of children (the signs Virgo and Pisces).

posted March 22, 2010 01:03 AM            

No babies or boyfriend for me lol Still a single spinster but i do have to admit that having that kind of SR is making me depressed about it cos I've been single for 3yrs now.

posted March 22, 2010 01:11 AM            

I've had the best relationship with myself and I guess my SR showed me falling in love with myself hahaha but on a serious note, self acceptance and self-love is the greatest gift you can ever give yourself

posted March 22, 2010 01:16 AM            

With the discoveries of the transneptunian objects including the big ones with the demotion of Pluto and the promotion of Ceres as dwarf planets, I find Mainstream Astrology to be outdated. Therefore, I believe in adjusting and progressing just like Mainstream Astrologers did when they added Uranus,Neptune,Pluto, and even Chiron in their astrological systems.

Pluto is associated with reproduction is because it was assigned rulership to Scorpio and 8th house.
This is a modern Western Astrology concept. Medieval,Classical,Hellenistic,and Vedic Astrologers don't use TransSaturnian objects.
Mars is traditional ruler of Scorpio and 8th house.

Pluto was thought to be the only object in the transneptunian region until 1992. Until Pluto's Moon,Charon's discovery, Pluto was thought to be as large as our Earth. After Charon's discovery, astronomers were able to figure out Pluto's size and mass by Charon's orbit.
They figured that it was much smaller than our Earth's moon.

Astrologers just assigned Pluto as ruler of Scorpio and 8th house, thinking that Pluto was a planet and the only object in the transneptunians regions of the solar system. So why not give it sign,house rulerships.
Scorpio is also the sign of Pluto's perihelion (the nearest point of Pluto's orbit to the Sun) and perigree (the nearest point of Pluto's orbit to the Earth).

Pluto has a 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune. Orcus and Ixion also have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune, and so they are very similar astronomically to Pluto. That's why astronomers named them after mythological Underworld characters. Orcus is named after the Etruscan God of the Underworld. It would make sense for them to be astrologically similar to Pluto.

Makemake and Haumea are both classifed as dwarf planets/Plutoids like Pluto. Both are named after fertility creation deities. Makemake was named after Rapanui fertility creation God,and Haumea was named after Hawaiian fertility creation Goddess. These are very relevant astrological archetypes because of not only their significant size which led to them be made equals to Eris,Pluto,and Ceres as dwarf planets. Their archetypes can fit with reproduction process.
Haumea seemed to work that way in the Solar Return period of when my mom conceived me.

Transneptunian dwarf planet, Sedna may also be a reproductive archetype. It's myth was involved in creating creatures of the sea. Sedna was named after the Inuit Sea/Underworld Goddess.

Raymond

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posted March 22, 2010 01:25 AM            

You can make a solar return chart for 2009 or 2008 depending on when you had your Solar Return.

Raymond

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posted March 22, 2010 01:45 AM              

I found that the solar return 4th and 5th houses are important for usually the 1st major pregnancy.

4th is conceiving - 5th is pregnancy

SR 4th ruler in 4th or 5th
and
SR 5th ruler in 4th or 5th

Either one of these can substitute by being placed in the 1st house of the SR chart. As is 4th ruler in 1st or 5th ruler in 1st (1st house is YOU so therefore it has come to you)..

Sometimes there might be eg: cancer on the early degree cusp with mercury in 4th or 5th (the sign just before it) that works also.

Other things i found was SR moon in an angle of the NATAL chart.

North node and pluto in 5th.

Natal 4th and 5th rulers in conjunction or trine.

SR ASC in 5th or conjunct IC.

posted March 22, 2010 01:47 AM            

Right on!

Here are some interesting articles that an astrologer wrote about Makemake and Haumea.

Makemake http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/makemake_great_sea_spirit_of_easter_islan d.html

Haumea http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/haumea_dwarf_planet_and_sacred_nature.html

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posted March 22, 2010 01:53 AM            

It's shaped like an egg,football,or cigar. It spins end on end every 4 hours. It's mostly rock with very little ice unlike the other transneptunian objects. It is as big as Pluto along its longest dimension. Nothing else is so large,so elongated, or so quickly rotating is known anywhere in the solar system.
Astronomers conclude that all that comes from being subject to a collision with another large transneptunian object.

Fragments from Haumea broke off to form its 2 moons and independently orbiting transneptunians which are referred to as Haumeids.

In Hawaiian mythology, Haumea's deity children broke off from her body.

The astronomy and the mythology match each other.
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/2003EL61/

Raymond

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posted March 22, 2010 02:06 AM            

I wonder about Sun-Ceres aspects

My mother had Sun sextile Ceres for the Solar Return period that she conceived me. She also had Ceres square Midheaven.

She had Sun-Mars trine Ceres for the Solar Return period that she conceived my older half brother. She also had a t-square of Moon square the opposition of Ceres-Ascendant and Saturn-Descendant.

Raymond

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the truth is it only matters relatively"