posted April 05, 2010 05:30 PM         

I have this with a person (square) and it's exact. (His Saturn in Leo and my Venus in Scorpio- in the 5th house). Trying to find more information about it since the relationship is one of the most caring ones I have been in, which it seems like it should be the opposite?

posted April 06, 2010 03:27 PM         

Harder cross aspects can make things harder for the Saturn person. They often feel insecure with these aspects, which in turn brings out their more negative Saturn energies. The key for the other person is to help reassure the Saturn person. And because you're dealing with cardinal, earth energy, these gestures of assurance need to be backed up with solid action. Show up on time. Keep your word. If you say you'll do something for them, do it. Be honest, no head games, no big secrets. Direct and clear communication.

And so when the Saturn person begins feeling insecure and acting out their more negative emotion, the other person needs to confront it, in a gentle way, and reassure the Saturn people with that history: "When have I've not been there for you? When have I lied to you? When did I not keep my word with you?"

Everyone has a Saturnine self, and we all need to be very aware of it, regardless of how Saturn is placed in our charts and how it cross aspects with other people in out lives. At some point, we all are tempted to act out our negative Saturnine selves and we are ultimately responsible for that. But here's the things with dealing with OTHER people's Saturnine selves: mature people can be easily reassured when it comes to their own Saturnine selves. They recognize and value trust, loyalty and honesty. They are reassured by what is authentic, sincere, REAL. They know that counts and they know the rest is just dross to be pushed aside.

However, immature people aren't always so easily reassured regarding their Saturnine selves and you may find yourself in a very unhealthy cycle with them where you're constantly trying to prove yourself to them, or tolerating far more patronizing and nagging than you deserve, which in turn builds resentment. At this point, you have to make a choice: this this person worth the effort to address their Saturnine energies, hoping in time you can help them nurture more self-awareness and maturity regarding their Saturnine selves, or do you need to just cut your losses and let them go?

posted April 06, 2010 10:09 PM         

I'll share my situation and then you can see how that fits well with what you said.

The person I'm experiencing this with is a friend (a guy) of 12 yrs. We met my 2nd year of college and we were tied to the hip. We were extremely loyal, protective and took a stand for each other all the time. I remember breaking up with my ex-boy and I was so upset that my friend spent the night, hugging me and allowing me to cry and just be in that space with me- which never taking advantage of the situation. So, that's how the situation was. After college he joined the Air Force as a musician and was stationed in Europe, which he was just transferred back to the US. When we re-connected it was like we were never a part but for the first time our relationship moved to the romantic side, which I know he is a little worried about how strong his feelings are for me b/c he went thru a divorce 2 yrs ago and he needs to get things straight. I'm trying to figure how to handle the situation in the most gentle way possible while allowing him to have his space to figure him out. I'll show you our charts together... we have other Saturn aspects (like a wide Sun-Sat opposition, wide Sun-Saturn trine, wide Moon-Saturn square) Plus... my Sun/Moon midpoint and MC are conj his Sun, a double whammy Sun- Venus Trine, and a moon-moon conj. So, there is a good mix of hard and soft aspects. He doesn't know his birthtime but it might give some more insight... I definitely need it.