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Topic: Unrequited Love ~ Do you see it? Astro Case Study
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venus in gemini
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posted April 12, 2010 07:22 PM
  
Lonake,
Awesome teaching thread. Thanks!  IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted April 12, 2010 11:38 PM
Can you tell us now?IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted April 13, 2010 12:12 AM
I see that his Saturn and his Neptune square her Chiron, so I would say that he broke her heart. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 13, 2010 12:35 AM
DD thanks for taking all that time in looking at the charts! To see your analysis bit by bit is really interesting
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Where she met him because of HIS profession, but not necessarily as a coworker?
This is true, as far as I can tell. There are some conflicting reports about this but I'll need to do more research before I post the case.Here are progressions, if anyone wants to have a quick look,
Hers
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Lonake
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posted April 13, 2010 12:36 AM
hi lalalinda!
You know I have the same Venus pluto square, it's true there's that one person that just captures our heart obsessively at one time or another.Hi Vapor,
I wouldn't call either of them particularly attractive, no. Hi Venus Gemini,
It's teaching me too Belage,
is the chiron aspect from Magi astrology? New Running Tally,
Vapor ~ he's sexually drawn to her, but not 'in love'
electric mind ~ she's in love
GotGemini ~ he's in love
Diana ~ he's in love
BenedictMoon ~ he's in love
staborgi ~ he's in love
DD ~ she's the one with the affections, if I read correctly, because she's not fitting in with his natal needs for a partner. (?) DD let me know if I'm wrong.
lalalinda ~ she's in love
Belage ~ she's in love Diana 
For sure the answer will be on the board tomorrow eve when I get home
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cherle
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posted April 13, 2010 02:06 AM
I didn't take too long a look but the three things that jumped out were:--His Saturn conjunct her Sun: I had this aspects in two cases of unrequited love, where I was the Sun person in love and the Saturn guy did not reciprocate on the grounds I wasn't attractive to him --A Cap moon: he's very Saturnine, so that strengthens the influences of his Saturn and any aspects to his Saturn. He's likely very fussy about his romantic choices, being an Aries Sun too. If she has any quirk he doesn't like--and her being Aqua, she likely does--he's cross her out as a possible option and go a-hunting elsewhere the way Aries men do --No strong aspects to his Venus: barring any parallels we don't know, since we don't have that declinations. Anyhow, Since Venus represents what a man is attracted to in a woman, a lack of aspects to his Venus could simply mean she doesn't seem like a romantic prospect to him. Again, this is an Aries Sun, so he's gotta be WOW'ed by a girl to even pay attention for more than 2 secs. If not, he's already looking past her to see what other prospects are coming up his way. So I'd say, she's in love and he's not interested. If I'm right, she has my sympathy. I have quite a knack for falling for Aries-Cap guys (and other Cap moon guys) who just aren't going to find me attractive. Welcome to the "Unrequited Love for Some Impossible-to-Please Cap Moon Guy" Club, girlfriend! IP: Logged |
Diana
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posted April 13, 2010 02:56 AM
Would it be possible for me to get their natal with transits at the time of the "affair?" Can you throw in asteroid #3811? Thanks. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 13, 2010 03:13 AM
There came a time that they broke contact so I'm setting transits for a few mos before then, when they were in contact. Let me know if you'd like a different time. Karma + transits, Hers
 Karma + transits, His
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Diana
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posted April 13, 2010 03:43 AM
So much going on in both -- and it was activating what I thought in both. I have a theory forming....Can I have the same charts with transits of when they resumed contact? If they didn't resume contact, then can I have the transits for when they broke contact? IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 13, 2010 03:54 AM
There was a day when they stopped speaking to each other, the charts I posted were for a few mos before then, I can post charts for the last time they got in touch. They were in contact off and on before then for less than a yr.Her transits, last in contact
His,
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Diana
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posted April 13, 2010 04:17 AM
Thank you for the additional charts.
I think things got very ugly. I think it's quite possible the authorities were involved: restraining orders, maybe arrest or threats of arrest. Someone may have even gotten hurt. It's even possible, from the charts and transits that someone died. Maybe both. I'd say there is a strong likelihood stalking was involved. All of this is very possible from their natals and their transits. Doesn't mean it happened, but it was definitely rife with the possibility. There are so many aspects in natal and in the transits showing this that I am not even going to bother to type it out unless i have to...
It's really hard to say who was the aggressor here, because both charts show the actions, which usually happens in cases of domestic violence, crime, or stalking/harassment. The victims chart will show the same stressors as the perpetrator. If I HAD to say who was the obsessed person, I'd say him, but it could just as easily be her, because her chart shows indications of these things, but like I said, the victim will also. His chart is slightly more disturbing, so I'll go with him.
I can definitely see that this got intense, this unrequited love -- I think it turned into something hideous.
I hope I am way off base and one of them just got seriously lovesick and annoyed the other terribly.
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Lonake
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posted April 13, 2010 04:26 AM
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His chart is slightly more disturbing, so I'll go with him.
This struck me as completely hilarious  Do you have anything in Capricorn, Diana?IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted April 13, 2010 04:45 AM
Cherle - I would agree with you about him being an Aries and crossing her out..BUT - they have not had sex.. ever.. So he couldn't cross her out yet, in my opinion. His Mars (the dispositor of his Sun) is on her Moon.. so at some point he did want to have sex.. and since it has not happened - he probably still does.
Also - About Saturn-Sun, I have a very close orb conjunction with someone and we are both highly sexually attracted, so that doesn't always work. But I'd imagine a lot depends on Moon-Venus-Mars-Pluto for sexual attraction.
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Diana
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posted April 13, 2010 04:54 AM
My mercury is in capricorn, So is My MC. Mercury trines saturn, too. Oh, and saturn is on my AC. So yes, I do have cappy affinities and tendencies. This is probably why I don't feel like going to all the trouble to type out the indicators since it would be so lengthy, unless I am right, because if I am wrong it's a total waste of my time. Waste not, want not, right?
I guess you won't tell me if I am at all right then...
His chart is more disturbing, but that can also just be reflecting drawing the disturbed in.... To be honest, though, I just looked at them again, and his is a lot more messed up than hers, but that could be because of the hell she put him through, like I explained above regarding the charts of victims.
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Lonake
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posted April 13, 2010 05:09 AM
I'm not saying 'what' or 'who's who' (yet) but the unrequited love definitely has obsessive overtones.My Capricorn Venus got a big kick out of your Mercury, and I did sense strong saturn too ( edit) What degree is your Mercury, I have to know!  Mine is 5 Aquarius which is why I prob come across like I'm semi out of my mind IP: Logged |
DD
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posted April 13, 2010 05:47 AM
It`s difficult to say. It could be both actually. My gut instinct told me it`s her, but then again, many things can be projected, too.
Also, theo thers had such good arguments for him being the one with the feelings.I`m staying with my initial feeling though, and say, it`s her who might think is in love. Hmm, maybe I need to have a second look at their charts again. Maybe I missed something here. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted April 13, 2010 05:54 AM
Lonake,you are HER, aren`t you? IP: Logged |
vapor-lash
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posted April 13, 2010 06:01 AM
DD - I'm pretty sure Lonake is a Pisces with Cappy Moon 
I'm really curious about this!!! lol
Are you letting us know tomorrow Lonake? IP: Logged |
DD
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posted April 13, 2010 07:01 AM
Yes, I just read the first post of Lonake, where she stated it is not her charts. I just thought it interesting that she seems to share the same mercury and Venus sign with HER.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted April 13, 2010 07:12 AM
I am at work, so not much time, but I glanced at the progressions, and it seems that his Venus is still unaspected. Weird.Such a lonely Venus
I)nterestingly the composite Sun is conjunct his natal Venus though. so if HE is the attracted one, it might be an indicator for the significance of composites and especiaslly their aspects back to the natals.
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Got Gemini?
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posted April 13, 2010 08:50 AM
That is an interesting point DD!GRABS POPORN, anyone want any? ------------------
Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 13, 2010 09:16 AM
From Linda Goodman's "Relationship Signs":Venus Oppose or Square Pluto "Pluto may be demanding and in some way impose on Venus, upsetting Venus's emotional stability. There could be problems kept secret until some event forces them to surface. Unrequited love is a possibility...." Pluto has the power in this aspect, with Venus being on the receiving end of Pluto's seeming coldness and lack of caring. Whether or not "unrequited love" IS the problem in this relationship, it will seem so to Venus. This is a Karmic aspect. Once the bonds between the parties are forged, it will be difficult to dissolve the relationship.  lalalinda IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted April 13, 2010 10:32 AM
LOVE this thread. I hope we can make it a tradition to have threads like this.
*I* ,as a newcomer, learn so much.
It is fascinating that we have a mystery ,too.
Thank you Lonake! Ami IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted April 13, 2010 11:25 AM
I have a few questions. When you look at a chart without degrees--how do you know how close things are to each other?
Also. She has mars, conjunct Saturn and Pluto--it seems ---in the 5th house.
Would this make her very shut down and" joyless"?
Could she be a powder keg of unrequited love feelings--in general?
Would this be an spinster type of placement--someone has great passion but can't use it in the real world?
Also, is an 8th house Venus a hard one. I remember being relieved that mine was in the 7th .
Is the 8th house Venus a wild type of Venus in the sense that Venus would not like to be in Scorpio's house and so acts out of character for Venus.
I may be waay off. Ami
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DD
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posted April 13, 2010 12:21 PM
This is just my take on your questions; others may have other opinions:"When you look at a chart without degrees--how do you know how close things are to each other?"
You existimate. It is really just guessing if the degrees are not written there. But you can also look at the natal charts and see the degrees there.
"Also. She has mars, conjunct Saturn and Pluto--it seems ---in the 5th house.
Would this make her very shut down and" joyless"?"
Not necessarily. Sure Saturn can put some "brakes" on it, but on the other hand Saturn can also make someone very focused and dedicated, a perfectionist in 5th house matters. Mars and Pluto in 5th house strikes me as very passionate, no matter if it is expressed or only lives inside her soul.
Pluto of course can also be a sign of obsessions.
With Saturn and Pluto here there seems very much power, intensity, focus, dedication here.
Of course with Saturn there, she could also block her intense passions (Mars and Pluto) in love or creative matters (5th house) - so in this triple stellium in the 5th house, it could be a sign of being prone to unrequited feelings.
She can feel all the passions (Mars and Pltuo in 5th), but doesn`t have to take the risk of living it in real life (Saturn as blocking factor).
Whereever Saturn is, we are sometimes fearful. So maybe she fears her deep intensity, passionate feelings with someone else, and so an unrequited love would be a "way out" of her dilemma.
Or she overcompensates (Saturn, too).
"lso, is an 8th house Venus a hard one. I remember being relieved that mine was in the 7th .
Is the 8th house Venus a wild type of Venus in the sense that Venus would not like to be in Scorpio's house and so acts out of character for Venus."
Some would tell you this, yes.
But I do not think so.
It`s still Venus and Venus in 8th house just shows or expresses her Venus traits in Scorpionic ways.
Actually personally I prefer this placement, as I can relate to the deep intense passions that this Venus can bring, even at the cost of unrequited love.
But I have Venus-square Pluto myself, so that`s just me I guess.
Venus in the 7th house would be a Venus that is more about balance, and partnership. None is better than the other, it`s just two different ways of relating (Venus).
I may be waay off.
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