posted April 14, 2010 05:35 PM            

DD,
it was obsessive unrequited love.

posted April 14, 2010 05:46 PM            

"DD,
it was obsessive unrequited love"
It depends how you define love I think.

For me the moment you harm someone you claim you love, you show that you are not capable of loving someone. You are showing no respect for the other person`s feelings. But imo love never exists without respect and caring for the other person.

But well, that is my personal definition of "love", and it may well have to do with my natal placements.

I just remember a good friend. Her boyfriend "loved" her so much, that he threatened her, hit her and threatened to kill himself, whenever she tried to get away from him, just because he "loved her so much that he wouldn´t live without her".

Imo that was not love, even though of course he thought of it being love to justify his actions to himself.

posted April 14, 2010 05:47 PM            

Well, I am sick today. It's my own fault for letting myself get run down. I've been staying up way too late, even though I've been tired.

posted April 14, 2010 06:02 PM            

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For me the moment you harm someone you claim you love, you show that you are not capable of loving someone. You are showing no respect for the other person`s feelings. But imo love never exists without respect and caring for the other person.

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posted April 14, 2010 06:06 PM            

I've been having strange asthma attacks lately and I don't have asthma, it's the season I guess.

Why does it happen that some charts always try to pull a fast one on us

posted April 16, 2010 10:47 PM            

Lonake - I missed this earlier

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Vapor:
"Because Mars on a woman's Moon or Venus is pretty huge for sexual attraction."
omg I have Moon/Venus and every man who has Mars conj this has me running in the other direction, I just don't find them attractive, is it because their Mars squares my Saturn/Pluto?

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Are you neutral about them though or do you intently dislike them?

I find the energy of Mars on my Moon and/or Venus disruptive. But they are always sexually attracted and generally that's mutual - But for me it's a love-hate feeling. With my ex with had other positive aspects which toned the "love-hate" vibe down. His Moon is exactly conj. my Sun.

posted April 16, 2010 11:35 PM            

I find that they're not attracted to me, and my interest in them is 'I can't believe their Mars is conj my Venus cos they are as far away from attractive as possible'

I'm also not attracted to men whose Sun conj my Moon/Venus. It is so weird, but I think it may be my Libra squares.? I've never even dated a Capricorn lol.

One thing I do like is a strong Saturn, and also Capricorn Moon/Venus/Mercury (both sexes) just not Sun/Mars in men. I find them oppressive. But not anger or anything no, just some energy I don't want around me. See but their Mars and Sun would be squaring my Saturn too.

I dunno, I wonder if its because i have the squares and you have the opposition. Because squares traditionally are felt and not always experienced 'out there'. For example 1 interp I read for Venus/Saturn, that a Venus sq Saturn will go to a party, mingle for a bit, then think "nobody wants me here so I'll leave out the side door so they don't notice" whereas the Venus/Saturn opp will go, mingle, have fun meanwhhile everyone else is looking at her thinking "why is she still here".

posted April 16, 2010 11:56 PM            

I would've imagined that the attraction would still be there, initially and the Saturn-Pluto problems would surface in time.

Were these close conjunctions? How many men has this happened with? I'm mostly curious about Mars, not so much the Sun. lol Sorry to interrogate you but you've peaked my curiosity now.

I'm very very surprised *they* weren't attracted..
I mean YOU I can kind of understand.. because sometimes Moon and/or Venus may feel wary of Martian energy... but them?!! Are you sure?

posted April 17, 2010 12:06 AM            

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I find them oppressive. But not anger or anything no, just some energy I don't want around me.

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hmmmm I was thinking maybe we feel the same kind of thing - but react to it in different ways.

My feeling is "similar" to yours.. but it does lead to "anger".

Basically I feel as though I have an inner balance or calm (I guess we all do.. Maybe that's what Venus stands for and possibly the Moon).. and when I am around a man who has Mars on my Moon BUT even more so if he has Mars on my Venus.. I feel thrown out of balance.

They have too much energy for me and the energy vitalizes me but aggravates me at the same time. These are people I always take notice off.. and they also take notice of me. We are definitely not ships passing in the night.

Mars can be spoilt, rude and self-centered in relation to both Venus and the Moon. Mars may act brash... The reaction to being attracted to you could be anything from chasing you ... to being a complete jerk to get your attention -- to snubbing you off in the initial stages, because they are scared of the attraction or insecure-shy (if their Mars is afflicted). It varies.

posted April 17, 2010 12:21 AM            

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Is it possible that you didn't get to know them well enough for them to display the attraction? - Cappy can be a slow-poach with that kind of thing.

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Ms. slow-poach at your service. But I thought I'm perceptive enough to pick up on it. Some women with Mars in Capricorn have been attracted to me, does that count?. It's not mutual, but it's something.
Maybe it's just I don't like Mars in Capricorn at all. My Mars is in Libra too. I have Mars conj Saturn conj Pluto all in Libra. I think this must be it. Count me as the exception here And i think it goes both ways, I really don't think they're attracted to me at all, it's mutual.

Edit, OK OK I got one, only thing is he's a celebrity haha which may void this! And you're gonna laugh but I had the biggest crush on Woody Allen, circa 1975. We have DW Mars conj Venus. OK you don't have to laugh *that* much

posted April 17, 2010 12:44 AM            

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Some women with Mars in Capricorn have been attracted to me

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Count me in!

posted April 17, 2010 12:47 AM            

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Edit, OK OK I got one, only thing is he's a celebrity haha which may void this! And you're gonna laugh but I had the biggest crush on Woody Allen, circa 1975. We have DW Mars conj Venus. OK you don't have to laugh *that* much

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Oh That's not funny at ALL. I mean you like who you like.

I'm only laughing because I saw a..a..a.. giraffe dressed as a clown??.. um

yeah.

posted April 17, 2010 01:00 AM            

My Venus in Capricorn is triggered to go into aloof mode now, but I will persist!

Are you lying about Mars in Capricorn, I am so gullible I might believe anything lol

Ahh you know with Woody Allen, he developed that big crush on starlet Scarlett Johnassen and the teenager that's still living inside me was completely crushed. But yea she has Venus in Capricorn so I thought *score one for the team*.

posted April 22, 2010 09:05 PM            

Transits for the couple

HIM

Pluto:

T. pluto just crossed his AC, thus opposing his DC of others. Pluto on the cusp of a house, especially an angle, is a lot of energy regarding that house's activities. Here, it would be himself and his will, just like mars here can make someone aggressive, pluto can do that too, but in a more plutonic way, which can be good or bad, depending on the person, their psychology, and the rest of their transits. That will go for all the transits I am listing from here on out.

This pluto energy is also opposite (in conflict with) his partner. The ultimate power play aspect. To make matters worse, the ruler of his DC, house of the partner, is in a quincunx with pluto.

Pluto is also squaring his chiron, 1 degree, in his third house of mind/communications. Pluto is also squaring his venus in the 3rd. I don't know the transit of pluto back then, but it may have already passed over his venus, and then rx-ed, and was poised to pass again. That is always hard, because the energy has been building for awhile. Ditto for the pluto/AC/DC.

Pluto is rx-ing back into a trine with n.mars and karma in the 8th. People often think the trine is good, but I've seen it be bad too. It's a lot of energy directed at a planet or point. That easy flowing energy can facilitate tremendous energy which leads to action.

t. mars is also trine his n.sun, so is t. chiron. This can lead to action as well. T.mars is in his 1st house and this is a very aggressive transit. It could just be assertive and good, but it depends.

t. nep is square his mercury. nep is also rx, so he may have had the square before and it was getting ready to square again. This can be a very fanatical, delusional aspect. Muddying up the thoughts. His n. merc is in the 5th. Neptune is opposing mars and karma in the 8th house of sex, obsessions, and death -- all the stuff pluto rules. I mentioned before how nep/mars aspects figure prominently in violence. Neptune is also quincunx pluto in his 8th.

T. uranus is on his saturn. This can be a law breaking aspect, as well as a victim aspect. So can the pluto mars. Uranus is almost exactly sextile his sun. Uranus is quincunx his NN in the 8th. Uranus is sudden, erratic, and sometimes crazy change and actions.

t. venus is square his moon (ruler of his 8th). It is also quincunx his neptune. The quincunx is a difficult aspect, because it is hard to find a middle ground with it. It is also trine his mars. His mars was being heavily activated.

saturn

Saturn is squaring his uranus in the 8th. That house is being hit hard. It is also sqauring his pluto in the 8th. I think we are all too familiar with the sat/plu square these days, so I don't need to explain.It is also sextile his jupiter, which is yet another law breaking aspect.

Jupiter is trine his n. saturn -- ANOTHER law breaking aspect. It is also square his venus and chiron, from the 7th. Mercury, transiting his 7th also, is making the same aspects as t. Jupiter.

t. karma is conjunct his MC and opposing his Sun. Sun is intercepted on his 8th house cusp. There's that house again! It's trine his Saturn, and making a T-square with his natal nodes. He became "famous" with his crime. His whole reputation was shaken up and changed as the result of the murder/suicide (NN in 8th). Karma is also quincunx his Venus. t. karma was making a lot of aspects, in addition to all the other aspects I listed.

All of these aspects, in totality, led me to believe that something happened -- something criminal. These, along with the progressed chart, the natal fixed degrees, it all made me think " murder-suicide" but best case scenario: Restraining order/arrest.

Interesting, t. sun was on Algol, just like t. Venus is currently on Algol. I always see certain things highlighted in the news when this degree is in the sky. Usually, it's some sort of violence against, or committed by, women.

I'll do her transits next.

posted April 23, 2010 07:56 PM            

I agree with the power of PLuto at play for him, I was surprised, but then again not, to see it so strong for both of them transit-wise.

"Pluto is also squaring his chiron, 1 degree, in his third house of mind/communications"
So Chiron being in the 3rd natally he's already sensitive to his words never being heard/acknowledged, square that t.Pluto it seems an overreacting aspect.

"Jupiter is trine his n. saturn -- ANOTHER law breaking aspect."
I had no idea these 2 were tied to law breaking.

"Pluto is rx-ing back into a trine with n.mars and karma in the 8th. People often think the trine is good, but I've seen it be bad too."
I agree, the energy is given a chance to flow v.easily, with almost no stopping, barring a heavy saturn influence possibly. The trine doesn't say good or bad, it says it has less stopping it. It's amazing the markers here for violence for someone at his level.

"nep/mars aspects figure prominently in violence"
I think it can be a factor, too, but in addition to others, like he has.

"T. uranus is on his saturn."
Wow. This is an urge to break free all right, a major stress aspect. So far he has major Pluto, Uranus, and Mars transits. Scary.

"Saturn is squaring his uranus in the 8th."
Another wow. He has 2 instances now of Saturn/Uranus.

"t. karma is conjunct his MC "
Again, I'm going to have to make a note of transiting Karma.

Regarding Algol, like I stated in another thread, some astrologers do make very impressive readings of it in their studies.

posted August 01, 2011 10:16 PM            

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posted August 03, 2011 03:20 AM            

And DD... And Jane!

posted August 03, 2011 05:53 AM            

I am here.

Lonake,