posted April 19, 2010 05:44 PM         

Anyway: I was SHOCKED by the intense Synastry our charts make!!! Gosh - if I had met him during his "active days" ... I probably would have fallen for him ... and would have become one of his victims. I am only mentioning the conjunctions/oppositions here in a small list - it's impressing enough, for my taste ...

HOUSE PLACEMENTS

Killer's CHIRON in my 1st
Killer's ASC in my 7th
Killer's VENUSin my 8th
Killer's URANUS in my 8th

My MOON in Killer's 7th
My URANUS in Killer's 5th
My PLUTO in Killer's 5th
My Sun/Moon-Midpoint in Killer's 5th
My SATURN in Killer's 12th
My NODE (N.N.) in Killer's 10th

Conjunctions & oppositions from Killer's chart to mine - pracitcally ALL his planets are conjunct/oppose some distinct planets/points of my chart!!!!!!!!!

K's ASC cj. my KARMA (1dg)
K's SUN cj. my BM LILITH (1 dg.)
K's MOON cj. my URANUS(1 dg.)
K's MERCURY cj./opp. my MC/IC (1 dg.)
K's VENUS cj. my MERCURY (4 dg.)
K's MARS opp. my JUNO (ex.)
K's MARS opp. my CERES (3 dg.)
K's MARS cj. my NODE (N.N.) (1 dg.)
K's SATURN cj./opp. my MC/IC (1 dg.)
K's URANUS cj. my VERTEX (2 dg.)
K's URANUS opp. my EROS (ex.)
K's NEPTUNE cj. my ADONIS (1 dg.)
K's NEPTUNE cj. my Lovejoy (ex.)
K's NEPTUNE cj. my Venus/ASC-Midpoint (ex.)
K's PLUTO cj. my Venus/Mars-Midpoint (ex.)
K's CHIRON cj. my Libido (2 dg.)
K's JUNO cj. my Sun/Moon-Midpoint (ex.)
K's VESTA cj. my ANTEROS (ex.)
K's PHOLUS opp. my MARS (ex.)
K's HADES opp. my APHRODITE (ex.)
K's PART OF FORTUNE cj. my PART OF FORTUNE (1 dg.)

I swear: If I would ever meat a man in real life ... and I'd see THESE Synastr-links ... I'd instantly beg him to 1.) make love to me, and 2.) marry me in an instant!

posted April 19, 2010 06:29 PM         

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I swear: If I would ever meat a man in real life ... and I'd see THESE Synastr-links ... I'd instantly beg him to 1.) make love to me, and 2.) marry me in an instant!

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posted April 19, 2010 07:04 PM         

But I'd love to see his chart!

posted April 20, 2010 02:07 AM         

LONAKE, you mean "OTT" like "odd"??? Sorry, no native speaker.

AYA_BABY: Yes, I'm gonna post the chart of that kiler, but must get off to work now, will be back tonight or tomorrow.

My main concern (very personal) now: I'm afraid that there's something about PSYCHOPATHS with me in general ....! No kidding! I've got weird natal placements, as far as my love-related planets, asteroids and Midpoints are concerned ... and this thing with that Killer-chart and mine (and also with my psycho-ex), it frightens me a bit - seriously! Natally, I have VENUS sq. NEPTUNE and VENUS sq. ASC, for instance. I also have VENUS exactly cj. my SOUTH NODE ("past life") ...

posted April 20, 2010 02:14 AM         

OTT - over the top, but I'm Leo rising so I like a lil drama on the side No worries

posted April 20, 2010 07:36 AM         

I once had a vision / dream during a meditationa bout the most gruesome murder - it was actually like I was witnessing it, but of course without being capable of doing anything. It completely freaked me out, but I comforted myself that it was "just" a dream.
until I stumbled across a website with photos of his victims - I just went there to prove to myself that I was wrong, that the woman had a different name, age and look than I had seen in my vision.
Unfortunately she was exactly the same woman I had seen in my dream!
No idea why i saw what I saw, and I had never heard of him before that. Far away, timewise and countrywise.

posted April 20, 2010 08:18 AM         

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K's ASC cj. my KARMA (1dg)

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K's SUN cj. my BM LILITH (1 dg.)

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K's MOON cj. my URANUS(1 dg.)

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K's MERCURY cj./opp. my MC/IC (1 dg.)
K's SATURN cj./opp. my MC/IC (1 dg.)

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K's VENUS cj. my MERCURY (4 dg.)

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K's MARS opp. my JUNO (ex.)
K's MARS opp. my CERES (3 dg.)
K's MARS cj. my NODE (N.N.) (1 dg.)

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K's URANUS cj. my VERTEX (2 dg.)
K's URANUS opp. my EROS (ex.)

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K's NEPTUNE cj. my ADONIS (1 dg.)
K's NEPTUNE cj. my Lovejoy (ex.)
K's NEPTUNE cj. my Venus/ASC-Midpoint (ex.)

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K's PLUTO cj. my Venus/Mars-Midpoint (ex.)
K's CHIRON cj. my Libido (2 dg.)

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K's JUNO cj. my Sun/Moon-Midpoint (ex.)

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posted April 21, 2010 05:32 PM         

KILLER'S NATAL CHART

MY OWN NATAL CHART

SYNASTRY WITH KILLER

COMPOSITE

posted April 21, 2010 05:39 PM         

There definitely seems to be some "lesson" involved for me ... It seems to be right that I am dealing with that kind of "fascination" now ... Hm. PLEASE HELP ME FURTHER, friends!!!

posted April 21, 2010 10:45 PM         

Synastry:
- his Sun is right on your BML - he can fulfill the void and insecurities you feel and might not be conscious about.
- his Nessus squares your Mercury/BML midpoint - further effects on your unconscious insecurity issues.
- your Nessus widely conjunct his AC - this might show that you see him as an abuser.

Composite:
- there's a stellium with Sun/Venus/Uranus/Mercury, and maybe they form midpoints that are conjunct, and then maybe it can show some attraction, along with Mars/Venus midpoint on the DC, but..
- Pluto on the DC and Nessus on the IC, and their midpoint conjunct Saturn - RUUN~ Abuse and power struggles seems very prominent. Possibly from him. Probably not even a bit of care or concern for the other, seems very selfish and abusive. Maybe I'm exaggerating, since a killer is involved, but this pattern seems quite obvious. And along with Venus/Mars midpoint conjunct DC, Pluto/Mercury midpoint is also there, which I'm not sure if it's a good sign.

posted April 22, 2010 01:11 AM         

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Unfortunately she was exactly the same woman I had seen in my dream!

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posted April 22, 2010 02:03 AM         

Oh how the grand trine can go awry. You know what they say for trines with killers, it's easier for them to get away with it cos they act like it's OK and everything's normal, that it's hard for them to get tripped up because there's no guilt complex involved. A good book for you right now is 'Man Against Himself' by Karl Meninger.

OK His chart. So he has @ the base of his chart sun conj pluto in Leo, so at the bottom of his soul he wants attention and power, bad. real bad. Jupiter in h10 is good for acclaim, recognition, fame or infamy. gemini chart ruler mercury h5 conj saturn. so he sees limitations with regard to romance, he's fixated on what he can do to get through to women or to get his creations noticed. It's a brick wall when he goes to express himself, and that conj is virtually unaspected, so it's doubly strong. Venus sq Mars, in fixed signs no less, is doubly intense, he has a lot of energy building in him and needs an outlet or else his inside may turn to volcano, venus in leo feels they can demand the attention and they better get it or they can throw a fit, esp. with that sq to mars in scorpio. Whose chart is this, ted bundy? Moon square Uranus is such a crucial factor here, emotions can be set off @ a moment's notice and the results are unexpected. Sun and Mars connected to this uranus in a grand trine facilitates that live wire energy moving swiftly and surely, at all levels of his masculinity.

Your Chart. Bam, Scorp Asc, so youre fascinated by dark human urges and taboos. Pluto is conj your Mc so you're likely to be confronted and also assert your power out there in front of everyone who is able to see. Neptune on Asc can cloud how people perceive you, but yours is a generation so fascinated with what drugs and sex can do to reach that ultimate spiritual high, that you may feel at any moment you could be pulled down into those depths and surrender. That could be an incredibly vulnerable conj. Moon h1 square pluto, that's a marker for a victim or perpetrator of violence. Your Uranus is fairly tame, unlike his, but it is in h10 so it does stand out on its own. Venus square that Neptune in Scorpio could definitely reflect your fascination with v. intense Lifetime movies and serial killer dramas. Venus is that Dsc ruler too square that neptune in scorpio, this puts you at another marker for violence. Mars conj the Sun in the 8th is another, mars is also conj merc, so the men in your life could use their words harshly and manipulatively against you, but you could also do the same, manipulate others to get your deeds done for you and trine the neptune in scorp @ the asc provide a convenient false front to get your needs more easily met because you would rather work around an obstacle than straight through it. It's all @ how a person is using their chart, but there are markers like I said for both in your chart. I'm not saying this just to say it either, my chart has @ least 4 victim/perpetrator aspects as well, so am not picking on you.

With your synastry to him: What's v.important in his chart is the sun conj pluto, merc conj saturn, and moon sq. uranus, to me those are his big violence markers @ 1st glance. His merc saturn is conj your pluto, so right there esp. with your pluto in his 5th he could develop a certain fascination with you, again merc is his chart ruler. his sun conj pluto trines your moon, so he may feel like you understand him on some level, but it squares your saturn which puts up roadblocks to him which could be very frustrating and inciting, how does he react when he gets roadblocks, his emotional course is to get v.irritable and agitated and poss. act out in a manner that is somewhat perverse (uranus), well his moon is conj your uranus, so you would be much more directly influencing him, his moods would really feel that irritation very close and plus your uranus squares his. Also your Mars conj his Venus sq his Mars could be a draw.

Composite Uranus is conj his n.Sun/Pluto. This is highly energetic, at best he feels renewed and invigorated here with new purpose, at worst he feels all of a sudden that he cannot control his natal impulses, that he is driven toward this fascinating woman no matter what.

To you, I want to say that this is a not a sign that you will be murdered by a serial killer. I highly doubt that. I think this synastry/your fascination is trying to tell you to be aware of the power you have to influence (pluto asc ruler on mc, neptune conj scorp asc) and to use that for positive things. Right now you're being fascinated by evil and what the forces in your chart could sink to at their deepest darkest level. You're looking at a taboo and saying, wait, my chart is a lot about dealing with and confronting them, and you sit there captivated by it all, mesmerized with the intensity of it all. Current fascinations, things we collect, songs/movies we love, they're all attached to what we need to know about life and about ourselves, right this second, otherwise they wouldn't hold so much appeal.

posted April 22, 2010 02:53 PM         

One basic info for all who are interested: The killer I am talking about is Jack Unterweger - an Austrian citizen who killed some women in the US as well. You find some info on him on an English Wikipedia-site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Unterweger There it says, that he was born 1951 - but other, more reliable sources (especially the Austrian ones) mention the year 1950 - actually this is most probably the real year of birth (that's why I made up the charts with 1950). If you google pictures of him: Incredible how "innocent", "boy-ish", even "childike" or almost "handsome" that tiny man is looking - right?

DD: Your vision/dream is a scary thing, indeed. I never tried anything like a meditation, as you called it ... I am not sure whether I can imagine how this might have felt for you, at all. But I am pretty sure that, in some way, I can understand waht you wrote about the terrifying "undercurrent" such an experience has.

COMICA 23 and LONAKE: Wow - thank you very, very much for taking the time to share your impressions, your wisdom and insights with me - it really, really helps me a lot! In fact, both of you gave me so much food for thought ... that I still have to think about all that further, my mind has to swallow all that - and then process it.

But - I wanna come back to several thoughts both of you mentioned - and drop a few more additional thoughts of mine (<inspired by you!)

The kind of FASCINATION I felt, when I saw that killer in some interviews, just a few weeks ago: It was NOT anything "sexual" or "erotic" - more something ... "human". I don't have particular fascination for mass murderers or crime or something, I am not into anything "goth" or Vampire/splatter thing at all! I just sort of RECOGNIZED that person (the killer)... I have no other word to describe it better. I watched that 90 min. TV-documentary about him - I didn't really "like" the way he spoke or laughed or moved ... I thought: You are a beast - incredible how you're trying to charm the people around you, even the TV-Journalist ...It almost felt like ... as if I could "see through him" - and see the WEAKNESS in him. It is just that: It/he REMEMBERED me of something - like an echoing ... like: "I KNOW you, fella! I know your kind." It sort of "rang a bell" in my heart and mind.

Actually I was kinda surprised - I found it quite ridiculous and even a bit "cheap" - that kind of fascination I felt. (Like, telling myself: "Come on girl, how clichée is that - being "fascinated" by a serial killer ... EVERYBODY is in a way...that's boring!.")

So, at first, I treid to froget and leave that alone for 3-4 weeks now.

BUT - the killer and the strong impressions I had won wouldn't levae me alone - since then, I thought about that several times ...

And only after a few days it struck me: THERE IS SOMETHING IN THIS KILLER'S DEMEANOR THAT IS SO SIMILAR TO SOMETHING IN MY EX-BF!!! And - it is about 1-2 years ago - I had posted severela threads on this posionous, awful realtionship here in this forum - of course my EX was not "violent" in a physical way - but definitely in an emotional/psychological way. A mean mixture of narcissim/greed/cruelty/obession with power/manipulation on the one hand - but all this is fuelled by a horrible, deep seated minority complex - he is VERY INSECURE about himself - and he tries to derive strength through hurting, even torturing other people. After a while his deep seated hurt (in his soul), his lack of love for himself was so PLAIN OBVIOUS to me ... That I had diffciulties to ... well ... to be "angry" with him, in a way - despite the fact that he treated me like dirt, ever so often. He REALLY wanted to hurt me - and he REALLY regretted it, often. He then was euphorically romantic, completely OTT (thanks for that expression, Lonake!)I understood so much about this dynamics, that somehow ... I stood "above" it. Which, of course, is nonsense! All empathy won't help - one MUST leave such a poisonous relationship!

My Ex is certainly no "killer" - but definitely more than an "emotional vampire". We had a very intense, very frightening relationship - and ... I don't know ... I was some sort of "victim", for sure - but at the same time I felt very strong - in a very (!) very perverted way, that is difficult to explain, it was ME who had the "upper hand", in a way. (That is something I'd never had admitted two years ago, while I was still involved in that relationship - but in retrospect, seeing all things clearer ... I must acknowledge my own input in this relationship. I "saw through him", i.e. my Ex - my SOUL was definitely, hm ... stronger than his. He knew all the tricks of psychoterror an manipulation ... it was all really bad, with sado-masochistic tendencies .... unhealthy, the whole relationship. He was the active one, the aggressor - but, in a way, I applied some "passive aggressive" means a swell, maybe. In retrospect, it was like a constant fight for power and supremacy. He did and said hundreds of very subtle very poisonous things ... sometimes, at several singular occasions, it brought me to my knees, it drained and weakend me - BUT I never broke down! That was my kind of force! Understand?

Well I learned about him qucikly, while we were together. When he acted mean, tried to provoke me with nasty things (like: "Well, I might have had Sex with that woman last week ... or maybe ... no. I don't know, I was a bit drunk..." - and he laughed as if it was a joke), I told him, plainly right into his face: "You're doing this beacuse you don't like yourself, right? Your're doing this so that I cry and beg you to "love me please". Because you don't love yourself. You need to hear people cry and beg for your love - because you doubt your own loveability, right? And you dont'think it is possible to "love" you just like that, right? You poor ting, you."

Puh - sometimes he even admitted that I was right. He was very sweet then and incredibly relieved, that in a way .... he doesn't get through with his tactics with me. In some wqy, he felt very much "at home" with me, he could relax, in a way, because I always saw that "angry child" in him - and just ignored his "psychoterror" often. (He called it "psychoterror" himself.

But then again ... he got jealous or whatever ... and out of the blue he'd change - and behave like a real monster for 5-10 days again - sometimes only being very (!) aggressive in bed - strangulating me and all. (<That started "harmless", really, and I found it "interesting" in the beginning ... but it went too far! Several times I had asked him to leave that ... It was shortly before I left him)

WELL, important thing: THAT KILLER AND MY EX DON'T LOOK LIKE TWINS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT! It's nothing physical or in the bevahiour that is directly "similar", in my eyes - it's more .. an "Aura"-thing, in a way. They both share a weird, mean, egocentric, highly narcisstic "logic", the way they sepak about themselves and other people - and in the way they manage TO CHARM OTHER PEOPLE! They are SO WELL in reading other people's needs, wishes ... The ABC of manipulation ... they really know it by heart, naturally. That's what makes these lonely souls so dangerous!

Sorry, that grew much longer than I had intended it to be - I sort of "vented" here, I guess. ;-)

I felt like my Ex'es "mother", "therapist", "nurse" on the one hand - he NEEDED me - and after I had left him he sort of broke down, he suffered badly (I learned after a while from freinds and rumours - we live several 100 miles apart from each other). On the other hand, I was DELIGHTED by the obsessive attention I got from him, he was obsesed in a sexual way as well - that fuelled my own narcistic tendencies, I guees - he was like a superstrong mirror to my victim-/AND saviour-side...And THAT's the thing I finally wanna understand now: WHY I WAS A CO-ADDICT, a CO-PSYCHOPATH and let all that happend for almost 3 exhaustive years ...

I'll make a comparison between both Synastries - WHAT do both men and I have in common, in Synastry? I mean: Which aspects do prevail in the killer- as well as in the Ex-synastry?

Maybe/probably I'll post them later.

THANKS for accompanying me so far already!!!

posted April 22, 2010 03:52 PM         

conjunctions/oppositions only – tight orbs (0-3 dg)

My JUNO 4° Taurus
Killer:
cj. K’s Part of Fortune
opp. K’s Mars
opp. K’s Vertex
Ex:
opp. Ex’s Union

My ANTEROS & my SIRENE 14° Taurus
Killer:
cj. K’s Nessus
Ex:
cj. Ex’s Hades
cj. Ex’s Part of Fortune
cj. Ex’s Brontosaurus
cj. Ex’s Discord
cj. Ex’s Clinch
opp. Ex’s Neptune
opp. Ex’s Swindle

My CIRCE 12° Gemini
Killer:
cj./opp. K’s DSC/ASC
opp. K’s Chiron
Ex:
cj./opp. Ex’s IC/MC
cj./opp. Ex’s S.N./N.N.

My VERTEX 10° Cancer
Killer:
cj. K’s URANUS
Ex:
cj. Ex’s Moon/Venus-Midpoint
cj. Ex’s Lucifer
opp. Ex’s Valentine

My MARS 28° Cancer
Killer:
cj. K’s Venus
Ex :
cj. Ex’s Melancholia
opp. Ex’s Moon/Mars-Midpoint

My Venus/Mars-Midpoint 18° Leo
Killer :
cj. K’s Pluto
Ex :
cj. Ex’s Mercury
cj. Ex’s Actor
opp. Ex’s Damocles

My BM LILITH 24° Leo
Killer:
cj. K’s Sun
Ex:
cj. Ex’s Sun

My VENUS 4° Virgo
Killer:
opp. K’s Venus
Ex:
opp. Ex’s Vertex

My MC 19° Virgo
Killer:
cj. K’s Mercury
cj. K’s Saturn
cj. K’s Eros
Ex:
cj./opp. Ex’s ASC/DSC

My URANUS 5° Libra
Killer:
cj. K’s Moon
Ex:
opp. Ex’s Ceres

My Sun/Moon-Midpoint 8° Libra
Killer:
cj. K’s Juno
Ex:
cj. Ex’s Interkosmos
cj. Ex’s Harmonia
cj. Ex’s Liebe (German for “love”)
opp. Ex’s Orpheus

My Venus/ASC-Midpoint 15° Libra
Killer:
cj. K’s Neptune
Ex’s:
cj. Ex’s Cupido
cj. Ex’s Flammario
cj. Ex’s Venus/Mars-Midpoint
opp. Ex’s Chaos

My ASC 27° Scorpio
Killer :
opp. K’s BM Lilith
Ex:
cj. my own Name-asteroid in Ex’s chart
cj. Ex’s Felicitas
opp. Ex’s Destinn
opp. Ex’s Veritas

My NORTH NODE 4° Pisces
Killer:
cj. K’s Jupiter
Ex:
cj. Ex’s Vertex

posted April 22, 2010 04:18 PM         

PLUTO-connections in the Synastries

KILLER'S Pluto
cj. my Venus/Mars-Mp
cj. my Part of Desire
cj. my Part of Marriage
sextile my Cupido
sextile my Nessus
trine my Amor
trine my Part of Romance
trine my Part of Destiny
trine my Medea
opp. my Damocles
square my Saturn
square my Hades
square my Anteros
square my Sirene
square my Melancholia

MY PLUTO and Killer
sextile K's Venus
trine K's BM Lilith

EX'S PLUTO
cj. my MC
cj. my Venus/Uranus
cj. my Venus/Pluto
sextile my Melancholia
trine my Anteros
trine my Sirene
square my Circe
square my Libido
square my Actor
square my Nessus
opp. my Hera
opp. my Pallas

MY PLUTO and my EX
cj. his Venus
cj. his Sun/Mars
cj. his Venus/ASC
sextile my Name in his chart
sextile his Felicitas
sextile his Part of Desire
sextile his Melancholia
trine his Destinn
trine his Angel
trine his Veritas
square his Jupiter
square his Vesta
square his Hera
opp. his Eros
opp. his Chiron

So MY Pluto touches THEIR Venus - while THEIR Pluto touches my Anteros & Sirene and my Melancholia ... and many more strange coincidences...

posted April 23, 2010 01:13 AM         

I didn`t even try a meditation at that time! It just happened, because I was completely knackered and just wanted to rest my eyes a bit.
Anyway I came to the conclusion that it was more about the victim, and that for some reason SOMEONE needed to remember her.