posted May 30, 2010 01:41 PM            

I don't know about you, but I don't like expressing my beliefs to others and tell them that is a fact.

A lot of people don't believe in reincarnation,pastlives, and even souls. They claim it as fact too. Maybe it. Maybe it is not. That's how I view your statement. I believe in reincarnation,pastlives,and souls too. However, I don't think that those things are facts. It could just be merely my opinion based on my perceptions and experiences.

One of the problems with the discord among people with different beliefs is that they believe that their opinions are facts and everybody else's opinions are not facts.

"this fact doesnt create per say a division...we are all Souls,perfect in its Essence.it is our Ehgoic Self that tends to rebell and wants us to create the "separation" between the Unity that we all ARE."

That fact can be questioned. Lot of people don't believe in souls. There are atheists and agnostics don't agree with you. There are people that believe that we live because a male and female had sex with each other, one of the man's sperm fertilized one of the woman's eggs in her ovaries, and she ended up giving birth after 9 months of pregnancy. They believe that everybody is born ignorant, but gets wiser with experience. They believe wisdom comes from earthly experience in this life and not from experience in previous lives. They believe that after we die, we cease to exist. They don't believe that we have a soul. Who are they to be told that they are wrong. They have their beliefs just like you. There are Christians that believe after dying, we either go to Heaven or Hell. They have their beliefs just like you. Who are they to be told that they are wrong. I am not going to tell my Roman Catholic mother that she is wrong for her beliefs,and I don't want her to tell me that I am wrong for my beliefs

"there are Souls who have reached a different state of awareness,and this is all soul´s work.we have always that choice to make,every time we reincarnate."

That also can be just an opinion. Not everybody believes in souls and reincarnation.

"the fact that some are Star Seeds and others arent,it is only saying that they are here indeed to help.to guide and through their knowledge,HELP the others who are open to that same help.
Why do people see that as something bad?or that leads to division?once again,it is my belief that that is just MindsWork,one that wants us to BE SEPARATE from our ouN Origins and MIssion here in Earth."

I don't think that it's bad. I do think that some people that think that they are "Starseeds" can have elitist attitudes and can get a bit preachy. I have seen how these people can be. One of these "Starseeds" blasted me because I told them I don't want my kids to go through what I went through. He told me that are meant to go through certain things, and he questioned my ability in regards to my nonprofit organization. He was very condescending and patronizing about it. I told him that many people are advocates of things because they went through it themselves and don't want others to go through what I went through. It took a black man that experienced racist Jim Crow laws in the South to lead the Civil Rights movement,and he didn't want other blacks to go through what he went through. My Neurodiversity advocacy is a civil rights thing. Neurodivergents shouldn't be viewed and treated inferior to neurotypicals. Their view of being defective is based on biases of majority of society. That doesn't mean that it's fact. Normal doesn't mean right. Norms are relative. Slavery used to be a normal thing, but that wasn't right.

"again:that need of feeling special that we all have? it might be our need for acceptance,it might be our own need for attention,but in the end---it is a natural process. and uou know what?
you re right.we are ALL SPECIAL AND UNIQUE in our own way."

How do you know all of us have a need of feeling special??

I certainly don't. I know what it's like to be referred to as special because I had special education needs. People with special needs are often referred to as "special" Most of my life, I have done everything that I could to avoid being viewed as special. I hated that word because of my past. Even now, I embrace my special education past and neurodivergence, but I still don't see myself as special. I have been told that I am an Earth Angel and incarnated angel, and I still don't see myself as being special. Not everybody wants to be special and unique. You have to consider what other people have gone through before you can make blanket statement of we all have that need of feeling special. I and many others who have gone through being viewed as special don't have the need of feeling special. We often have the need to feel that we are like most people and to be accepted as one of them.

"and if i know that and you know that,why do people feel "threatened" if the other is more evolved than us?one day we will all gonna get there,in our own perfect time and rythim.it is just a matter of Time.and of personal Work."

I think that all of it can be a perception. There have been people that think that they are more evolved , but the things that they say and do makes it to be questioned. This goes especially for some people that are viewed as gurus.

"again:these are MY Beliefs."

again these are my beliefs,
and in no way shape and form do I promote them as facts
these beliefs are just opinions
I have no facts because they actually be relative.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted May 30, 2010 01:44 PM            

DD,
"Yet, I think, no matter if our origin is from other planets than earth or if our origin actually is on earth, NOW presently we are all incarnated on earth as humans, and that`s where we are meant to live and make our experiences. Actually when I finally came to terms with this, it gave me a sense of almost exhilarating peace."

I'm feeling the same peace right now

Lara,
When I say "becoming a perfect human", I mean to improve oneself through getting rid of negative harmful mind-patterns, re-learning and re-membering what we were like when we were One with God. In my opinion, "developing" never ends. Are you suggesting that people should do nothing and just sit with what they have now?

Diandra,
I'm not feeling threatened by the "Starseed concept", in fact I may have had lives on other star systems too, but like ORBM I won't go around telling everyone that I'm a Starseed on Earth to assist humanity in awakening. I'm just talking about my concerns here, because I'm sensing a great danger for these people. I think we are all here to help each other. Is humanity that helpless that they need help from outside? Why do humans underestimate their own powers and turn to an outside source for help?

posted May 30, 2010 02:06 PM            

I agree with you. I won't go around telling everyone that I'm a Starseed on Earth to assist humanity in awakening either.
I can tell people that I am a neurodivergent who is neurodiversity advocate/activist who formed a nonprofit neurodiversity organization. Naturally,I don't want people telling me that I am not a neurodivergent.

I don't think African Americans that are African American rights activists don't like being told that they are not African Americans because that's not their true selves.

I don't think gays that are gay rights activists don't like being told that they are not gays because that's not their true selves.

I don't think women that are women's rights activists don't like being told that they are not women because that's not their true selves.

Why is that Starseeds don't have to be told that they are not Starseeds because that's not their true selves?

Starseed is also a label.

Shouldn't people have the right to label themselves as things that they feel comfortable with and relate to without people telling them that they are not those labels?

Names are labels. All of us have names that we use,and so we are using labels. We have nicknames that we use in the forum. Those are labels.

I see people on this forum referring to themselves and others as "Cancer", "Aries, and other zodiac signs that that their sunsign is in. Those are labels. I don't even identify as being "Scorpio" because I believe that I am more than just my sunsign.
I believe that I am more than just my ecliptic longitude chart that I even look at other coordinates like Declinations and Right Ascension. My Declination and Right Ascension charts are me too and not just my Ecliptic Longitude chart. Even then, my soul transcends all those damn charts. Therefore, how can anybody pin me down as a "Scorpio"? That would be greatly limiting me.

All words are labels any way. They are just names to identify thoughts that are expressed in oral and written language.

I'd think that being one's true self wouldn't even use words,language like "true self"

We didn't come into this world as infants using words,language.

After all, words,language that we use are made by humans. They are social constructs.

so yeah...even words to describe spiritual concepts are labels. Words don't have anything to do with one's true self.

If anything, just being and doing without using words could be about one's true self.
I believe one's true self goes beyond the use of words,language. I believe that it's just a state of being.

All of this is just my opinion based on my perceptions and experiences.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.

posted May 30, 2010 02:11 PM            

Diandra, ego is just a state of mind. Ego does not exist in the heart nor the soul.
Books are written mostly by thinkers - verbal ego trips. I perceive awareness to be something that you don't achieve nor search for. It's like saying that all happiness comes from the world. It does not. Ironically, the less you know the more aware you become lol

ORBM,
I am not sure they "work together"... i wonder if "they are allured toward and repelled simultaneously so as to keep an equilibrium" is a more apt phrase.
My view is that a soul placed in a body deems it imperfect, simply because of the mind. The mind is to me a poison. Thinking is like regressing. My intuitive sense from my highest self is perfect; my soul is not. Does it matter? Absolutely not. Do i care? nope. Why not? Simply because everyone thinks too much and feels too little. If we put our heart in the driving seat and our mind in the boot then perfection doesn't exist. Perfection only exists where there is a need to be better and to consistently compare against other things/thoughts/souls/actions.

You can't think and exist in 3D. It's impossible. Multi-dimensionality is where you leave your mind at home and go traveling.

Separation of the evolved from the unevolved is simply the step taken from living outside of yourself on a couch watching tv, having a job you despise whilst viewing life from this side of the end of your nose being controlled by your mind AND living within yourself entirely whilst interacting with the world with a totally open heart and a tamed, responsive mind.

You cannot say these things are together because they are not lol
Yin and Yang and extreme opposites that make up the whole.
If YIN were smart and YANG were stupid they would be poles apart upon meeting. Likewise, if YIN were materialistic and YANG were spiritually aware they would be classified as separate.
YANG cannot teach YIN - simply by being can they learn off each other. No energy can be taught, no human can be taught. We are all self sufficient and basically flotsam and jetsam so to say that a comment makes ones spine shiver is to be shown an imbalance within ones own emotional makeup to spark such a response.

The HEART is the 5th chakra. There are 4 chakras below it and 4 above. It is balance and centre. It holds the vibration of either end of both extremes - go figure.

Think and you are confined to your habitual, pattern-loving mind.
Feel and you are confined to the parameters of Universal Love.

‘I am what I don’t think.’ The mind is a wonderful servant but a very poor master, always complicating the simplest matters by drawing our attention to things in the outer world

posted May 30, 2010 02:27 PM            

The main danger that I think of is psychiatry. These Starseeds can be easily diagnosed as schizophrenia or bipolar by psychiatrists who often don't believe in the metaphysical.

Has anybody read the book, The Bipolar Child by Demitri Papolos M.D. and Janice Papolos? Many of the symptoms and traits can fit with Starseeds and neurodivergents.

I have checked out and read the book. It was one of the books that I recently ordered for my nonprofit's office.
http://www.amazon.com/Bipolar-Child-Defi nitive-Reassuring-Misunderstood/dp/0767928601/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275243525&sr=8-1

I wrote a review about the book, giving it 1 star. I was one of only 8 people that did that.

This is a blog entry that I did on the book http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog/159fc5 1c-3b0d-45fc-9700-9ce3085239a2

any ways..I don't trust psychiatry. I do believe that psychiatry is like number 1 danger that Starseeds face. I believe that many psychiatrists have been misdiagnosing Starseeds since psychiatry first came into being. IMHO, psychiatry is another form of witchhunt.

I feel that anybody can be misdiagnosed Bipolar,Schizophrenia because Psychiatry is not an infallible science. If you act,feel, look, believe, think and/or talk in a way that differs from the norm, there is a possibility that you will be diagnosed as mentally ill and be put institutionalized and/or put on medications which have serious side effects. They won't care about you being a Pisces,having a strong Neptune influence, having strong transneptunian influence, or having certain asteroids in your chart. They would think that's all garbage any way and part of your illogical thinking.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted May 30, 2010 02:31 PM              

i perceived what you said now.

i agree with the part that is dangerous that some people go out there saying that they are star seeds.they might very well be,and that by itself will make them discrete and helping others,without having to labell themselves.

Glaucus

you keep putting these long posts in places that arent meant for it.,again you´re perceptioning my words the wrong way.

but i wont dwell on it anymore cause it doenst help nor you or me or those who are searching for answers.

facts - we cannot prof many things through science right?that doesn't make things non-existent or stop them for being facts.

i know for a fact,through my own experience that what is True is what comes from our heart.not our mind ( like Lara said)

.all the things i state that are facts,are true for me.they arent true for you,but i dont come here in a preachy way,like you like to state ...that is not a fact,see?

again,think a bit and see all of your posts-and then look at mine.could you say that all your posts are just your perceptions?the way you analyse all my quotes...is that the truth??

what you say?or what i say?hmmmm

therephore.i´ll continue to say what i said.

it is your choice to see the things like you want to see-through your own perception.

i know what i said,what i wanted to say.and what i feel it is true- so...im like ORBM here - i´ll continue to live by and through love,not giving space or time for lower frequencies(at least is what i strive for).

dont dwell on things that arent worth .

posted May 30, 2010 02:35 PM              

i believe that once again i committed the error of stating beliefs.it is better that we stop saying things like the ones w´r saying here cause the astrology forum is only for that.

i know i would love to be able to share many things here,but i see that is impossible.

posted May 30, 2010 02:36 PM            

How am I putting long posts in places that are not meant for it?
How I am perceiving your words the wrong way?

I believe that I put posts in places that are meant for it.
You're pretty much judging my perceptions.
All I did was disagree with you and just giving alternative viewpoints to your statements.

Just because I do that doesn't mean that I am perceiving your words the wrong way.

If that's the case, I can easily tell you that you are perceiving my words the wrong way.

I am just only giving an alternative viewpoints to what you say.

There is nothing wrong with that.

I question anybody that claims anything as fact or truth because I believe that they can be relative.

At the end of my post, I said that everything is just my opinion and that it is not fact.

I don't see what's the problem.

However, it is your choice to see the things like you want to see-through your own perception.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted May 30, 2010 02:37 PM            

Recipe for good, balanced, in truth perception:
1. an open heart
2. a subservient mind where ego does not rule like King of the Jungle
3. a good working relationship between the heart and the soul (feeling and intuition)
4. emotional stability and balance - so that comments or observations are not taken the wrong way due to bad habits or narcissistic patterns.

posted May 30, 2010 02:45 PM            

I don`t think I have to explain myself.
You are an intelligent woman, and as I think, an educated one, too.
Statements like yours have severd nation`s "leaders" of many generations as an excuse for establishing "ghettos" of any kind, claiming that one part of society / human race is more worthy/ evolved/strong, etc.
That kind of separation has happened in history, and for the part that was considered "less evolved" it often ended in the elimination of many of them.

I really hope you do not mean it that way.

I just fear that these words could be twisted in an "unhuman" way.

posted May 30, 2010 02:46 PM              

yeaht that is hard to keep all those items all the time

but at least im getting better at the nº 3!

open heart - i have a win here.

subervient Mind - that one still working on it

emotional stability and balance - well the best way to practise is certainly coming here at LL and state my beliefs

about Perception: when i use that word, i alays remember that quote in the book where it said:we all are here in the 3rd Dimension,living between the two extremesying/yang,dark/light,right/wrong...etc

what is a fact is what there only exists the absolute/light/ so therephore everything that it isnt that,it is only a matter of ilusion.it had to be created in order for us to perceive what is the "LIGHT!" that only can be seen in the "dark".

posted May 30, 2010 02:52 PM            

I am simply talking multi-dimensionally and also what is needed for the fate of the planet.

Having conversed with me for years on here now and knowing my stance, spiritually and metaphorically i am nothing short of gob-smacked that you could even conceive to link my comment which was not a statement actually to genocide and the hitlers of this world

What on earth gave you such an adversely negative reaction?, and why would your mind veer to the negative on impulse anyway? You don't have to answer yet i admit i am intrigued.

posted May 30, 2010 02:55 PM            

sorry i missed some of your posts

Yes, Universal Codes is a cool place to discuss this!!

posted May 30, 2010 02:57 PM            

Let us not lose focus and get distracted by philosophy. Philosophy is for the Universal Codes Forum. I will be requesting Randall at the right time for a Moderator Permission and if given the rights will then shift each and every irrelevant post, mine included, out of this forum and into the Universal Codes forum, where we can carry out robust discussions about the philosophy of Star Seeds, Angels, Re-Incarnation, Belief Systems, Skepticism, role of Ego, Evolutionary Level of Souls, Old-Young Souls, role of Neurodivergence and Interdimensional Awareness. Excellent points have been made on the above and so they deserve the right location.

On this forum, it should be just charts and astrological points with astrological counter points.

The charts I am analyzing are of people who have had not been diagnosed with any psychiatric problems. They are sane. Their witness in a murder trial is valid for a Jury in any American State. So me, as their astrologer have no reason to disbelieve their experiences that have convinced them of being Star Seeds. And hence we shall keep investigating their charts for strong patterns.

@Lara: I felt your son that was named after an Archangel is a Star Seed. You yourself are an Earth Angel with extreme potential as per Doreen Virtue's analysis seen from my unbiased third person perspective.

@Katatonic: Some of your 2 cents are like 2 grams of gold, todays prices

@DD, DIandra, Lioness, Evanski and everyone who has posted a chart: Will give feedback after I analyze and post some more Star Seed charts.

@Winged Leo, ORBM and Glaucus: The philosophy is spot on, every point seems pertinent but lets shift that to another thread.

About the 1980s point: Yes, the majority of Star Seed claimants are born after 1980 but there were waves of Star Seeds born 1966-1968 and 1977 as well. One gentleman born 1951 has awakened. Some years ago a wonderful man born 1930 awakened but did not post in LL after a while. Analysis of Generational Planets will throw light but commonsense point is major conjunctions aspects of evolutionary planets like Pluto, Neptune, Uranus and Jupiter.

In the coming years, Star Seed Astrology will shift to these points:
1. How to check who has had ET DNA imprinted/activated at zygote stage and one who has inherited unactivated Alien DNA which can be activated later.

2. How to astrologically distinguish between contactees like Billy Meier, abductees like Cliff Dess, programmers/disinformers and later deprogramming experts like Stewart Swerdlow. Additionally, to determine if specifically mind controlled people, like MKUltra victims, were actually star seeds compromised before their Star DNA activated.

3. How to astrologically find out the veracity of New Age Fluff "Everything is going to be ok so lets lazily sing the praises of love and light" channellers who claim to be in touch with Pleaidians without having the integrity to give evidence like the one handed Billy Meier. Billy, before being compromised by Brookings Report followers, gave a sample for analysis to labs that had every metallic element in just one alloy. The spooks stole the sample from the test labs!

4. How to astrologically determine if and when a Higher Form of one's own Soul Matrix, who may be an Extra Terrestrial of a higher dimension, has walked in.

5. How to connect past lifeline astrology in known powerful cultures like Atlantis to Star Seed Astrology.

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posted May 30, 2010 03:29 PM            

no, I don`t.
I know that you don`t mean it that way.
I just wanted to point out that your statement *could be* (and has been) twisted that way.

Besides I agree with Diandra and Katatonic. Separation is not the right path (in my opinion).

posted May 30, 2010 03:49 PM            

Not enough publicity to buy over enough people, it would seem lol

posted May 30, 2010 03:52 PM            

I think that it's fascinating study.

I have my theories that they are unusually strong in the transneptunian objects (mainly the big transneptunian ones, but also the named small ones can strongly figure in too) because they are highly nonconformist and metaphysically oriented like energies. People with strong easy transneptunian aspects could be highly metaphysically oriented and feel very comfortable with their experiences and perceptions as well as be accepted by others and can feel easily connected with others. People with strong hard transneptunian aspects could also be highly metaphysically oriented but they could feel uncomfortable with their experiences and perceptions to the point that they can cause them much stress and anxiety and can be treated like something is wrong with them and that they are defective which can lead them to be loners. On the other hand, there is a possibility of a great deal of empathy with others that have problems like them.

D.D. brought up a good point that we could check out their heliocentric charts. The Heliocentric Chart is said to be about Higher Self and Christ Consciousness.

I also believe that strong contacts to Heliocentric Nodes may figure into people who have an impact on a masses of people. The Heliocentric Nodes move very slowly like stars do. They have to do with the collective.

Philip Sedgwick wrote the following about heliocentric planetary nodes:

Planetary nodes in heliocentric astrology advance at a rate of about one degree per 100 years.
This does not represent an effect of precession since precession is a geocentric perceptual phenomenon. The slow motion of the nodes creates a generational influence in which virtually any person born in any given century has the same nodes. What could be the fuss?
The planet in contact to the node represents the personalized connection to a collective issue.
The planet reveals the impetus that the individual possesses to exert an effect in a larger issue of humanity and in context of the planet’s symbolism. North Node connections induce the individual to push for advance, change, reform and progress - worst case: rebellion, malcontent and antiestablishment attitudes prevail, often polarizing the opposed force into greater manifestation; protest and resistance fail to function at any level. South planetary nodes contain heritage, tradition and foundation. Contacts to the south node support such historical bases with great chauvinism. Other times, the tailing node contact represents dogma, resistance to progress, fear of advancement and the inability to adjust to technological progress. A point of equilibrium and balance must be maintained.

Of course, strong contacts to fixed stars could indicate a person's special purpose. After all the fixed stars very slow moving like the heliocentric nodes, and personal planets/points conjunct the stars could indicate a strong connection to that collective energy indicate a certain purpose according to the theme of the fixed star.
They can be viewed through not only ecliptic longitude chart, but also Right Ascension,Declination, and Heliocentric system too.

also Geocentric Nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond it are slow moving ,but not as slow moving as fixed stars. Jeffrey Wolf Green uses them in Evolutionary Astrology. The Nodes of the geocentric outer planets and transneptunians could be strong in Starseeds too.

I also think that Galactic Anomalies like the Great Attractor, Galactic Center, Super Galactic Center, and even things like Gamma Ray Repeaters also could figure strongly in Starseeds.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted May 30, 2010 03:56 PM            

How can you say that separation is not the way to go when the entire Universe is built upon separation? lol
Allurement is key here. Without it, Planet Earth would simply not exist.

posted May 30, 2010 04:02 PM            

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@Lara: I felt your son that was named after an Archangel is a Star Seed. You yourself are an Earth Angel with extreme potential as per Doreen Virtue's analysis seen from my unbiased third person perspective.

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posted May 30, 2010 04:29 PM            

I have some books written by Doreen Virtue.
I had a reading done,and I was told that I was an Earth Angel and incarnated angel. She even saw a little of the Starseed and Wise One in me. Heck..I have already been told by people at Berkeley Psychic Institute that I have had breaks between earthly carnations that include incarnations on other planets.

I have her book
Realms Of The Earth Angels http://www.amazon.com/Realms-Earth-Angels-Inf ormation-Lightworkers/dp/1401917186/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275250120&sr=8-1

Read more at Suite101: Earth Angel Realms: Five Categories of Incarnated Lightworkers http://new-age-beliefs.suite101.com/article.cfm/earth_angel_realms#ixzz0pRjJfjPz

It's her 2nd book on Earth Angels

I actually relate most to the Knights Paladin.

According to Doreen Virtue:
The Knights Paladin is an Earth angel realm that represents the protective side of angels. They are fascinated with knights, armor, the Round Table and Arthurian legend and often work in the armed services or police force.

All that is definitely me. I grew up very interested in Knights,Arthurian Legends,The Round Table,Swords,Armor,Chivalry. My stepfather even gave me a sword/scabbard,breastplate,helmet,shield toy set for my 10th birthday because of my interests. I even have Arthurian Legend Tarot Deck. I was in the US Navy too,and so I was in the Armed Forces.

I am even very strong in the Arthurian Legend asteroids overall including a Moon conjunct Lancelot with only 2 minutes of arc, and that conjunction is aligned with the heliocentric North Fay Node and heliocentric South Angel Node. I have Galahad square my Ascendant with 10 minutes of arc. In Arthurian Legend, Lancelot was raised by the Lady of the Lake who was a fay. Galahad was Lancelot's son by Elaine through enchantment. He was raised by nuns,sat in the Seat Perilous at the Round Table,and he achieved the Holy Grail through his purity which included his virginity. He was the perfect knight.

This is her 1st book on Earth Angels http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Angels-Incarnate d-Elementals-Starpeople/dp/1401900488/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275250194&sr=1-1

here is site on Earth Angels
http://www.innerself.com/Spirituality/angel_9262.htm
http://www.emergingearthangels.com/index.html
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art45545.asp

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted May 30, 2010 04:32 PM              

separation exists yes but only in our Mind yes?

if we would live only by our spiritual law,our hearts voice ( intuition) then we would know that only Unity is the real thing.

we are all One.
the separation only comes when we let the Mind/egoic self control.

again is a perception this separation thing.just like judgment is also a mind´s work and many other things.

for me the star seeds people are the ones that already mastered that,and live in accordance to the "within" .

i believe that when 2012 comes,that that separation will be tiny and tinier.i think that is what is going to happen,many more will awake and start living less in the material and more in the spiritual level.