posted May 31, 2010 04:58 PM            

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Simply because compromise is not being true to yourself!

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posted May 31, 2010 05:19 PM            

What are you driving around?

posted May 31, 2010 05:32 PM              

my saggy part is enjoying it what i love is to "philosophy"!!

posted May 31, 2010 07:10 PM            

Point A is your point of view.
Point B is my point of view

posted June 01, 2010 03:01 AM            

If compromise is a circle, with not a little change in it, then it is more like "giving in" or "giving up something of myself", I think, and I strongly dislike that.

I always found the word "compromise" interesting; so many people use it to tell me I should be "more compromising", but what they really mean is: Leave your way and see it MY way unconditionally.

But that, in my view, is not a real compromise as I said.

Rant over.

EDIt:
Hey this was the 111th post. How cool.

posted June 01, 2010 05:51 AM              

yes it is the 11th how interesting.you know what the 11 means

about that circle thing...

most of the times,yes,people say to us to compromise when what they really mean is that we must change our own viewpints and perspectives according to what they think too.

in that way,it is not really compromise,cause we wont be changing internally cause of our own experience/self.wawareness.but because something in the exterior Self want us too.

as a libra i like to have the that balance when both people can be open,and tolerant and not be caught with the need of attention,and egoic need of being right all the time.if that sort of compromise is in both people,then it is awesome!cause indeed the thought will be modified by each other+s findings,they are open to discover what is true,not through an ego´s perspective,but within themselves.

but if both want to go their way,without being able to detacth from themselves,and see things from an outsise perspective(spiritually),seeing how a discussion is mostly of the times,all about ego mechanisms of needs of attention,then it will always be a circle.a neverending one.

posted June 01, 2010 06:59 AM            

of course I know about 11. this number has accompanied me since I was about 15 years old, maybe even before.

posted June 01, 2010 08:08 AM              

for me compromise remembers me that the two people are not really being true to themselves..they are just procrastinating the inevitable:when other wants us to change,and for the sake of the relationship(all of them),we tend to "agree"compromise",sooner or later,our need to be true to ourselves,will appear.

and then all it will explode,all that we kept inside,but because we "compromised" we bottled it up.

i did this times ago,but when i saw i couldnt do it anymore,it was making me feel disonest with myself and the other,i put all the cards in the table.

i discovered that,it is the best thing to do.

the thing is..we often tend to compromise,to also "receive" something from the other..but...that is not the goal of it...i wonder if that is why the compromise thing almost never works for both parties involved..

posted June 01, 2010 09:52 AM            

Even though my Mercury and Venus are in Scorpio in tropical zodiac,my Mercury and Venus are in the constellation of Libra (not talking about Sidereal).
My Mercury is conjunct Beta Libra star, Zuben Elschamali and another Libra Star in ecliptic longitude (regular chart coordinate that astrologers use).
My Venus is conjunct Beta Libra star, Zuben Elschamali and another Libra star in Right Ascension(equatorial longitude). Therefore, I have a very strong constellation Libra influence in my chart.

I also have Mercury conjunct Venus in Ecliptic Longitude and Mercury parallel Venus in Declination (equatorial longitude). I even have Mercury sextile Geocentric North Venus Node.
In heliocentric system, I have Mercury conjunct the South Venus Node,and so those things involves my higher self and the collective.
I have a very strong Mercury-Venus theme.

I'd say that it reflects my ability to be fair,just,comprise,believe in equality,and the need for balance.

"but if both want to go their way,without being able to detacth from themselves,and see things from an outsise perspective(spiritually),seeing how a discussion is mostly of the times,all about ego mechanisms of needs of attention,then it will always be a circle.a neverending one."

My Mercury biquintile transneptunian dwarf planet,Eris indicates my ability to see things from different perspectives,give alternative viewpoints,debate as to the belief of diversity,equality. However, it can be viewed as controversial,discordant to others that don't agree with my views.
My Eris sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli in Gemini/Sagittarius can indicate the same thing. In heliocentric chart, my Earth conjunct North Eris Node, and that indicates that those things involve involve my higher self and the collective.

A lot of times, a discussion can be about getting at the truth and show that there are different ways of perceiving and looking at things that aren't necessarily wrong. It's about merging point and counterpoint. It's about interaction and resolution between multiple ideologies.
That is what is called the "dialectic process."

In Astrology, it is thought that Eris actually rules the dialectic process. http://www.zanestein.com/Trans-pluto.htm#UB313

Being able to detach from one's self and see things from an outside perspective isn't necessarily a spiritual thing. Many people that aren't spiritual but aren't scientific can do the same thing. Law and Order depends on being able to detach from one's self and see things from an outside perspective. Justice cannot be subjective and involve emotional attachment. It has to be objective and involve emotional detachment. Of course, a lot of people get revenge and justice mixed up, and this is reflected by much of constellation Libra in tropical Scorpio as well as constellation Libra was once known as the Scorpion's Claws.

Futhermore, a person can go inside himself/herself and get a certain perspective on life that is spiritual. A person can gain insight from deep inside one's psyche. Introverts tend do that.

In Astrology, a person with most of their planets in the bottom half of the chart are highly introverted types (people that take their cues from their internal world). All of my planets are in the bottom half of the chart except Saturn,and so I have a bucket pattern. I am indeed highly introverted as my Sun,Mercury,Venus in tropical Scorpio,Moon in Pisces,and Virgo Ascendant combination already suggest. Therefore,I indeed take most cues from my internal world. However, it doesn't stop me from taking cues from the external world.

There is a debate that a person that goes inside himself is getting information inside his/her own brain or is connecting to an outside source. Some people believe that intuition isn't something that necessarily has to be from outside ourselves. It could be from the right hemisphere in our brain.
Studies show that extreme temporal lobe and parietal activity can lead to mystical experiences. Some scientists believe in "a god part of the brain"

This is all just my opinions,beliefs,and views. I don't claim to have facts and truth.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 01, 2010 11:21 AM            

I get where you are coming from, and too often this is what compromise means (which is the reason that I do not really like this word, either).
But I think there is a form of compromise, that can actually be frutiful and bring both people to gain insight in a new perspective.

I do not have any problems with "disagreeing to agree" or "agreeing to disagree".
This is not a compromise imo. It`s expression and showing one`s own position concerning a certain issue / topic and accepting that another person has a different view, and expressing the acceptance of this other person`s view, even though one won`t agree with it.
In a way it is a nice way to say: We are on such different points in our lives, or have such contrasting views, that we cannot come to an agreement, unless one has to "lose" themselves, and since we know that any kind of further discussing this matter would be fruitless, we just let it rest. But know that I accept your opinion, it`s just not my own.

That is the long form of what I understand in this term: "let`s agree to disagree".

posted June 01, 2010 11:34 AM            

Exactly

I also think that I used the wrong word "going in circles"

what I meant is

A makes a statement, and B disagrees with that statement and gives a counterstatement,
then A makes a counterstatement, and then B makes a counterstatement, and then A makes a counterstatement, and then B makes a counterstatement, and so on.

It's all connected to ideology..

It can turn into arguing.

or one or both people get frustrated,irritated that their viewpoints are being disagreed with and feel that they are being misunderstood or the other person just doesn't get it.

If you say that you're being misunderstood or taken the wrong way , it often implies that the other person lacks the understanding of what the person is trying to stay like it's an intellectual/judgmental shortcoming

on the other hand, the misunderstanding could be due to the person not being clear about vague about what is being said.

It also can be both of those things.

That tends to happen when people have different views,beliefs,and perceptions.

This especially goes for religious and political discussions.

I definitely don't want to be converted by anybody nor I want to convert others.

I believe in equal/civil rights.
That is why I embrace the label,"neurodivergent", and I am supporter of the Neurodiversity Movement which is a civil/equal rights movement for people with neurological/learning differences. The movement started with Autistic Rights.

Unitarian Universalism is a religion that involves free thinking and belief in social justice.

Many Unitarian Universalists are involved in activism/advocacy,and it stems from their free thinking/belief in social justice views.

Women's Rights Leader, Susan B. Anthony was a Unitarian Universalist.

To each, his/her own

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 01, 2010 11:38 AM            

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on the other hand, the misunderstanding could be due to the person not being clear about vague about what is being said.

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posted June 02, 2010 05:06 PM            

Quite interesting finds:

Sixth house has his Pluto/Venus Conjunction and also includes his DNA, as Osiris Asteroid into the Stellum.

His Aura is Conjunct his MC and opposes his Karma Asteroid exactly.

Uranus/Destin are conjunct one degree from Regulus.

Pallas is conjunct Mars on ALD.

His Aura is very close the GC at 29 Sag, and his MC is at 28 Sag.

And his Sun at 28 Degrees Cancer is inconjunct the GC.

No strong connection to Sirius though...Im wondering if thats why he is not able to keep himself from being abducted. And why he is not able to protect his self from blast and just being tampered with in general. There is a more helplessness to him when it comes to how he is treated on the Astral. That Aura oppoing Karma...near GC says alot IQ.

Oh and he has a 12th House Moon, Jupier, Chiron..

Whats more IQ his Moon is at 22 Pisces conjunct Aleiser Crowleys exactly and exaclty conjunct my Venus.

Sabian for 22 Pisces:
A Prophet Carrying Tablets Of The New Law Is Walking Down The Slopes Of Mount Sinai

posted June 02, 2010 05:22 PM            

Yet she is very well aware.
Has an extremely good intuitions, her gut feelings are always right and she has always been able to see auras and has always been aware of dimensions.

Check out the Chart though....