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DD
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posted June 02, 2010 03:03 AM
  
How do you interprete Chiron in synastry? What does it mean if one`s Chiron is heavily "targeted" by someone`s planet?
And what does it mean for the planet person?
What do these aspects mean in Draco?
Chiron is really puzzling me.IP: Logged |
jane
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posted June 02, 2010 03:09 AM
 Good questions. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 02, 2010 04:20 AM
you get that I got Your mail? IP: Logged |
retrogrademercury
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posted June 02, 2010 04:33 AM
what is a good synastry website? Or one for aspects, doing it by hand takes way to much timeIP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 02, 2010 04:35 AM
You`re in the wrong thread.Why donīt you open up an own thread where people can post links to good synastry websites? I think many people would like that.  IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
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posted June 02, 2010 07:15 AM
DD, I'm in the same boat as you lol. Only thing I can think of is the keywords, tough, Saturn-like lessons in a healing way. Tough love if you will. Like, Mercury conjunct Chiron, I guess the Chiron person may help the Mercury person work through communication problems that the Mercury person knows they have but denies that they are problem? Chiron Venus would work the same way I suppose. Chiron would urge the Venus person to let go of some past hurt or love that is keeping the Venus person from growing? Chiron Moon would be Chiron teaching the Moon person to let go of unhealthy emotional Patterns by bringing them to the front? I'm just guessing here as Chiron is a mystery to me as well. Then there's the issue of it NOT being the only Centaur out there begging the question, why is this one Centaur so special, if your gonna use one, why not all of them?
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Ami Ann
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posted June 02, 2010 07:24 AM
I was just reading about Chiron, yesterday.
It said that a Chiron aspect can be healing OR harmful to the planet person.
I was intrigued cuz my Mother has her Chiron in exact conjunction to my Sun  and if I can EVER get over her in this lifetime it will be a miracle lol.
Chiron can either wound you or heal you depending on the aspect.
With conjunctions, it can go either way.
My g/f has her Chiron in exact conjunction with my Venus.
That relationship is healing.
I am reading a book on Chiron by Barbera Clow .
She says Chiron is the ruler for Virgo.
Chiron is the energy that takes you from Saturn(the earth) to Uranus(intuition outside of the earth).
She says lots of things but they are too esoteric for me to understand 
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posted June 02, 2010 08:02 AM
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Ami Ann
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posted June 02, 2010 08:04 AM
Happy Dragon
My book says that a hard natal aspect of Chiron to Venus is needing to learn lessons about love.
Any natal aspect to Venus is this but the hard aspects are more difficult. Ami PS I will read and write more later! IP: Logged |
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posted June 02, 2010 09:36 AM
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Ami Ann
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posted June 02, 2010 10:02 AM
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Write up as much as you can and I will study Chiron and Venus and get back.
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DD
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posted June 02, 2010 11:25 AM
Your responses are very interesting.
Picture me sitting here and listen to your wise words and learn (if you wonder, why I don`t comment on it - I just need to let it sink a bit).
Okay, a little comment I have,
Happy Dragon,
I found it interesting, what you said about "heart-attractions" - Chiron always played a big role in it for me, too.
It feels very deep, if Chiron is involved; more than the usual "wounding-healing" scenario seems to describe, even though that is fitting, too.
Maybe it is my Chiron in 4th house squaring an 8th house Saturn, that makes me prone to feel that vulnerability.
Yes, I think for me, Chiron has always had a relation to feeling very vulnerable. Can anyone relate to that? IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted June 02, 2010 11:26 AM
Chiron conjunct Venus in synastry is really strong in both love and pain. The feelings run deeper than any other relationship I have ever had. It all depends on the aspects it makes with other planets. The love is still v strong tho, no question about that. IP: Logged |
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jane
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posted June 02, 2010 01:14 PM
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it's got something to do with instinctively relating to the others heart ( romantic ) problems ..
and wanting to make them happy in that respect .. if possible ..
I can relate to this. There's something very tender and bare about Chiron, natally and in synastry. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 02, 2010 01:26 PM
Yes, I agree. Very very tender.Well, I was pondering about Chiron in comparision to Saturn and how I experience them.
The idea / thought struck me that both are very sensitive spots in our charts.
But when something triggers Saturn, we may go into "defensive-mode", trying to erect a wall or blocking the other, aiming for control (of ourselves, our emotions ore even the other person), and somehow trying to "hide our shame". Something there feels so "inadequate", like we couldnīt let others see our "deficiency". Of course my Saturn is retrograde in Cancer in 8th house - so it could be just a personal thing.
Anyway, if someone triggers that spot, especially with harsh aspects or planets, we may "strike in advance", reacting coldly,d efensive (of course this is a rather negative manifestation of Saturn).
But Chiron, even though related to some sort of pain, feels different to me.
There we are vulnerable, too, but at least in my case it feels like I cannot go into defensive mode like with Saturn.
Chiron is somehow not able to erect a wall against other people or emotions.
It almost feels like I can`t hide, neither from myself nor from other people.
But for some reason there is not that feeling of "shame or guilt", as is tied to Saturn, just a feeling of utmost vulnerability, and yes some kind of wound.
But it`s so much more tender than the Saturnian issues.
I don`t know maybe i am totally wrong here and it is just how I experience it and it is not like people generally experience it.
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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 02, 2010 02:58 PM
DD, I think you know a little about what I think about Chiron
But I am really with you on the Saturn/Chiron comparison! I always associate the two with personal wounds, and I was just thinking last night that both have this in common which is a huge thing IP: Logged |
karena
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posted June 03, 2010 12:33 AM
I find Chiron very important in relationshipI see many couples having significant Chiron aspects in synastry (esp. Chiron aspecting Sun, Moon, Venus, 5th or 7th ruler, Amor and Valentine) Magi Astrology is correct in observing the importance of Chiron aspects in synastry, but I think their theory about Chiron is wrong. Chiron isn't a love planet; it still means wound deeply in the soul. It's soul-related and vulnerable. There's a couple with her Valentine exactly cj his Chiron. He died recently after fighting with cancer for 18 years, and she's taken care of him for those years. Despite his illness, they're still very loving and sweet. She indeed treat his most vulnerable part with sacrificial love. IP: Logged |
staborgi
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posted June 03, 2010 02:23 AM
Hmm, I guess its different for everyone but I'll share my experience- I have a not so good relationship with Chiron natally. Its at my IC opposite my Venus/Uranus. I have a lot of unfounded issues and insecurities about closeness and getting into relationships. I've always felt unloveable and like I somehow "do love wrong," if that makes sense. In my experience, when I am the Chiron person and someone's planet has made an aspect its been a combination of feeling like there's something really intrinsically right about us- we might have different personalities or values but deep down there's something vulnerable about us that is the same, which usually leads to wanting to get close to them, but it opens the door to the possibility of my hurting them because of my own Chiron problems. I think natal aspects to Chiron might help explain how you could help heal or wound the other person. My soft aspects to Chiron seem to lend to helping heal the other, kind of breaking down their walls (in the domain of their planet) but my hard aspects have also done some harsh wounding. I've read that Chiron can be very aggressive sometimes, the way a wounded animal is. When the planet person tries to get close and help, the Chiron person might very well lash out, I think this is typical of hard aspects. My more intense experiences though have been as the planet person. I've had my Moon conjunct someone's Chiron, and this person moves me to no end. I feel like he's the most emotionally mature, intelligent, inspiring person I have ever come across. Its not romantic, but it really feels like this person understands something about emotions and people that feels like an articulation of something that's always been inside me and that he gives a voice to. Almost psychic feeling in a way. And of course, SO HEALING and calming, makes me feel like there's nothing wrong with me and could never be. IP: Logged |
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posted June 03, 2010 02:29 AM
DD, I agree with you on Saturn v.s. Chiron too. To me Saturn is more about inadequacy or deficiency which is why I feel like its easy to get super Saturnine and think you can control or fix whatever that Saturn issue is with structure, regimentation, etc. Chiron feels so much more vulnerable and potentially unhealable. It also feels like its something innate within you whereas my Saturn issues seem to come out moreso in larger contexts. Wondering- has anyone ever experienced a Chiron quincunx in natal or synastry? IP: Logged |
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posted June 03, 2010 02:34 AM
Chiron to me means *ouch* for the Chiron person in conjunctions, more often than not, it's not a connection I like to see. quote:
Chiron is somehow not able to erect a wall against other people or emotions.
This makes sense to me. Chiron opens up and makes itself vulnerable by sensing a possibly warm heart in the other person, but it tends to be the planet person that reacts negatively to this after a while and when Chiron senses a withdrawl of the planet person, the pain runs v.deep. It's different than Pluto and Saturn pain of rejection or abandonment. Chironic loss feels like no bandaid could ever stop the blood, it's just a walking open wound. Pluto and Saturn have their shields and protections they can set up in offense/defense. And also my Chiron is unaspected.IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 03, 2010 11:39 AM
I am reading a book on Chiron, as I said. I don't like the writing style very much but I will share things as I learn them.
I may be wrong on some things cuz it is hard to understand .
Chiron in the 12 houses shows the focal point of where that person needs to heal.The person must take life garbage and turn in in to gold.Chiron is where you must do alchemy in your own life.
Chiron is the bridge between Saturn and Uranus .
It takes the person from being earth bound with all the earth bound restrictions(Saturn)to dealing with the problem on a higher plane(Uranus) i.e wisdom,revelations, the spirit.
If this is interesting--I will be back with Chiron in the houses and signs and then aspects.
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DD
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posted June 03, 2010 11:50 AM
Who`s the author?
My Chiron is in Aries in 4th house, so I think I have some deeply seated emotional problems to heal, which may also revolve around a healthy expression of Martian energy. Which is part of my lesson anyway, since Mars is in 12th house and conjuncts Neptune and NN.
It all comes back to Mars for me.
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Ami Ann
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posted June 03, 2010 12:10 PM
It is Barbera Hand Clow. Right now, I am reading about Chiron in the houses.
It is SOO interesting cuz I have Chiron in the 4th ,too.
This means that we must heal ourselves. That is our main purpose in life. We have deep wounds from a very hard childhood.
When,we heal we will be a light to others cuz they can see our healing rather than we are actual ,professional healers, for example.
Our own healing --is the testimony.
I can relate to this very much. Can you, DD?
I see the beginnings of God using me to help other people who lost children BUT I am not healed sufficiently enough to do much good yet.
I will come back and write about Chiron in Aries later .
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DD
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posted June 03, 2010 12:19 PM
I think I do have deep wounds, yes.
My obesity nad me letting clutter claim my appartment is a clear sign of this.
BTW I am just cleaning up my sleepingroom, and I feel like I can hardly breathe - all psychosomatic, I know how that feels, believe me.
I wonder what it is about the sleepingroom that clamps down on me though.
Also, when I was cleaning up my office, I felt like opening up all my cupboards and throw all things there onto the cleaned floor (I didn`t do so though; it took me three days to get order back into my office. lol).
Almost like something inside me cannot bear "orderliness".
It`s most fascinating to me.
Gotta go back to my sleepingroom though.
Oh I disgressed, but even though, yes there are emotional wounds, my childhood wasn`t hard.
My family, grandparents, parents, brother and my sister-aunt, always loved me and supported me.
Noone of my family hit me, violated me or something of that stuff you read about in psychological books.
I guess the only kind of violation I experienced was by my mum in terms of my eating and when it came to cleaning up my room.
lol But it`s not my fault, asteroid HOUSE is exactly conjunct CHAOS and HYGIEA in my 4th house, and conjunct CHIRON and PHOINIX, opposing DNA. I guess being messy and chaotic is part of my genetic code. IP: Logged |
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