posted June 22, 2010 10:45 AM            

Of course analyzing the dispositors is just like a little piece of the jigsaw puzzle that is synastry, but I was intrigued enough by it to do it nevertheless.
Maybe it`s worth something.

Anyway, I was thinking (even though probably other astrologers have thought about it before I did, like Stephen Arroyo or Rose Murray for example), that a comparision of the signplacements of the planets and their dispositors (Arroyo calls these "overtones") might give a good basic grip on possible underlying compatibility / attraction.
Of course natal aspects would modify this, and of course synastric aspects would intensify the connections, but beneath all of that, there are the planets in certain signs and how they basically get along with each other.
As I said it might give a good overview, a place to start, maybe a foundation to build our house (synastric analysis) on.

If you want to give it a try, just note the signplacement of the planets and their dispositors (this would be the sign the ruler of a certain planet is in: example: My Sun is in Sagittarius; dispositer is Jupiter in Pisces, so Pisces is the "overtone" of my Sun).

To asess "underlying compatibility"
compare:

° Sun to Sun
° Moon to Moon
- that would show compatibility on a personal-emotional level

° IC to IC
° MC to MC
- this indicates if your soul needs and your place in the world are in harmony

° Venus to Venus
° Mars to Mars
- this indicates the level of possible basic sexual compatibility

° ASC to ASC
° DESC to DESC
- how compatible are you when you have got to face the world? How compatible are your relationship needs and relating style?

To asess "underlying attraction" compare

° Sun to Moon
° Moon to Sun

° IC to MC
° MC to IC

° Venus to Mars
° Mars to Venus

° ASC to DESC
° DESC to ASC

Then have a closer look at what you`ve found. If the dispositors are in the same sign as someone`s planet, there is a subtle understanding and affinity despite possible conflicts on the surface.
I also think that it is the person who contributes the dispositor in the fitting sign,w ho understands the other person the most.

Anyway since I like juggling with points, I did a little rating system.
Give yourself
3 points for placements in the same sign
2 points for placements in the opposing sign
1 point for placements in the same element

0-5 points: very low / practically non existant
5-10 points: low

10-15 points: low average
15 - 20 points: average

20-25 points: high
25 - 30 points: very high

30+ points: maximal

I tried that out with the Newman-Woodward synastry, and they reached a score of 35 points *rolling eyes* They ALWAYS reach maximus scores, don`t they?

Their main dominance was on the compatibility for the Sun - and- Moon-level (I haven`t checked attraction yet though); it was like 37% of their overall score (25% for each category would be average).

Of course if the scores are high it does not mean that you will instantly fall in love with each other, it probably only means that you may have a soft warm cushion of understanding and a good potential to get along, which might help a lot with challenging aspects.

Example:
Boy`s Saturn in Virgo squares Girl`s Sun in Sagittarius exactly.
So far, so bad.

But boy`s dispositor of Saturn is in SAGITTARIUS (Girl`s Sun-sign), and girl`s Sun-dispositor is in PISCES (opposing boy`s Saturn-sign).
That probably will modify a little bit how people experience that aspect.

LEt`s say in another case we have:
Boys Saturn in Leo squares Girl`s Sun in Taurus.
Boy`s Saturn-dispositor is in Aquarius, Girl`s Sun-dispositor is in Taurus, too.

I would place a bet, that the second couple would experience this square as much more harshly than the first one (with their planets AND dispositors all in squaring signs, AND an actual square!)

EDIT:
Actually there is an example for this in the synastry with my best friend.

My Saturn in Cancer squares her Moon in Aries.
My Saturnīs disp is AQUARIUS, and her Moon disp. is LIBRA - actually whenever we hit the bottom with that aspect and there was this push-pull thing coming up with me getting all defensive and she on the verge of getting real hurt by my defensity, both of us took a step back, gave each other breathing space, and then sat down and talked about it, analysed it from a "bird`s perspective". There was a real understanding for why we did the things we were doing, that we were like that because that was just our personality, but not meant to hurt each other, and thus noone of us would take these things too personally. Our airy overtones probably really helped.

posted June 22, 2010 11:57 AM            

Sun-Sun
Natal/Syn - boys Leo Sun oppose girls Aquarius Sun

boys sun in its own sign.. her sun depositer is in Capricorn but its in a critical (0 orb) out of sign Trine to boys sun.

Moon-Moon
Natal/Syn boys Aries Moon girls Critical degree Capricorn Moon (possibly Aquarius)

Boys Mars in Virgo, Girls Moon Depisotr (both Saturn & Uranus conjunct @ 0 Capricorn) = Same element. (do you think it also helps if the boys Moon depositor tightly trines the same depositor plant of the other persons Moon in his Own natal chart = adding similar related energy?, what if the moon aspects Saturn tightly too in his chart?)

1 point so far for Same Element.

Boys Ic in Libra, Girls Ic in Virgo
Boys Venus In Libra, girls Mercury in Aquarius = same element Air.

1 point

boys MC Aries, Girls MC Pisces
Boys MC ruler? in Virgo, Girls MC Ruler in Capricorn (trine 1 orb to one another) = Same Element (depositor of boys mars is in virgo too, so tis a definite if i did that wrong either way?)

1 point

Boys Venus in Libra, Girls Venus in Aries
Boys Venus in its own sign, girls Mars in Sagittarius.

0 pts.

Boys Mars in Virgo, Mercury in Virgo. Girls Mars in Sagittarius, Jupiter in Aries

0 pts.

Boys ASC Leo, Girls ASC Cancer
Boys Sun in leo, own Sign, girls Moon In Capricorn, 0 pts? girls Moon depositor in Capricorn (trine to boys Sun though)

Boys DSC in Aquarius, Girls DSC in Capricorn
boys DSC ruler in Capricorn, girls DSC ruler in capricorn (conjunct) 3 pts? depositors of both in Capricorn =

3 pts.

Sun - Moon = 0 pts

Moon - Sun boys Mars as depositor of moon in virgo, girls depositor of moon in capricorn =

1 pt

Girls IC Ruler depositor in Capricorn
Boys MC Ruler Depositor in Virgo =

1pt

boys Ic Ruler Depositor in Libra, Girls MC Ruler in Capricorn = 0 pt

boys Mars Depositor in Virgo, girls Venus Depositor in Sagittarius = 0 pt

Boys Venus Depositor in Libra, girls mars Depositor in Aries =

2 pts

girls ASC Ruler Depositor in Capricorn, boys DSC Ruler depositor in Capricorn =

3 pts

boys ASC Ruler depositor in Leo, girls DSC Ruler Depositor in Capricorn = 0 pts.

total = 13

result = low average

i think it makes sense, i would consider it a factor amongst the others in synastry such as normal synastric aspects, and rulers of these angles in aspect, and depositors of these planets in aspect to eachother might mean something too.

posted June 22, 2010 12:41 PM            

° Moon to Moon
his moon quincunx my moon
his moon/scorpio/pluto + my moon/aries/pluto(mars in taurus/venus
1 point

° IC to IC
his IC cj my IC
3 points

° MC to MC
his MC cj my MC
3 points

° Venus to Venus
his venus sextile my venus exact
his venus/gemini/mercury in taurus + my venus/aries/mars in taurus
1 point

° Mars to Mars
his mars semi sextile my mars
his mars/aries/pluto + my mars/taurus
1 point for opposition or not?

° ASC to ASC
his ASC cj my ASC
3 points

° DESC to DESC
his DESC cj my DESC
3 points

° Sun to Moon
his moon opp my sun
2 points
his moon/scorpio/pluto... his pluto in virgo trine my sun
1 point

° Moon to Sun
my moon/aries/mars-pluto + his sun/taurus
1 point

° IC to MC
his IC opp my MC
2 points

° MC to IC
his MC opp my IC
2 points

° Venus to Mars
his mars cj my venus exact
3 points

° Mars to Venus
my mars semi sextile his mars exact
my mars/taurus/venus + his venus/gemini/mercury in taurus/venus
1 point

° ASC to DESC
his ASC opp my DESC
2 points

° DESC to ASC
His DESC opp my ASC
2 points

posted June 22, 2010 01:23 PM            

" i would consider it a factor amongst the others in synastry "
I think that is an important thing to keep in mind.

Lara,

to be honest I am a bit confused with your listing. I have to look very closely.

posted June 22, 2010 01:37 PM            

I think you put compatibility and attraction together, right?
I would analyse it separatedly though, especially if you apply the points. The scale is always only in regards to EITHER compatibility OR Attraction (or if you want to put it all together, you have to double the numbers, so 60 points and more would be the highest level of the rating).

"° Sun to Sun
his sun cj exact my sun
3 points"
Yes, I also considered adding an extra point for an actual aspect, which is in reasonable orb (as until now I just considered sign placements alone, but actual aspects would intensify this of course)

"° Moon to Moon

"his moon/scorpio/pluto + my moon/aries/pluto(mars in taurus/venus
1 point"
I don`t really understand this listing.
So his Moon is in Scorpio, right?
Then Pluto is the dispositor as well as Mars, so you have to check the sign of Pluto and even more so Mars.
Your Moon is in Aries so your dispositor is in Taurus).

His Scorpio Moon speaks to your Moon-dispositor in Taurus over the opposition, so 2 points are correct.
And of course it also tells you something, that it is over the most passionate axis in the zodiac.

° IC to IC
his IC cj my IC
3 points"

"° MC to MC
his MC cj my MC
3 points"
Jip. Where are the dispositors of your IC or MC, or we could also say, the rulers?

"° Venus to Venus
his venus sextile my venus exact
his venus/gemini/mercury in taurus + my venus/aries/mars in taurus
1 point"
His Venus-dispositor is in TAURUS, your Venus-DISPOSITOR is in Taurus, too, so that would actually make 3 points, not 1.

"° Mars to Mars
his mars semi sextile my mars
his mars/aries/pluto + my mars/taurus
1 point for opposition or not?"
No, His Mars and Mars-Dispositor are both in ARIES of course.
Your Mars is in Taurus (no connection), BUT your Mars-Dispositor is in ARIES, and thus in the same sign as BOTH his Mars sign and Mars-dispositor - that actually makes 6 points.

"° ASC to ASC
his ASC cj my ASC
3 points"

"° DESC to DESC
his DESC cj my DESC
3 points"
Yes

"° Sun to Moon
his moon opp my sun
2 points"
Is this in the actual opposing signs, then yes.

"his moon/scorpio/pluto... his pluto in virgo trine my sun
1 point"
So his Moon-dispositor (Pluto) is in Virgo, your Sun is in Taurus - same element, earth, so yes 1 point.

"° Moon to Sun
my moon/aries/mars-pluto + his sun/taurus
1 point"
Was your mars in Taurus?
Anyway, where is his Venus again (cause thatis his Sun-dispositor)?

So, your Moon-Dispositor is in TAURUS and his Sun is in TAURUS, same sign gives 3 points.
Nice sensual Sun-Moon-connection.

As of now I am counting 32 points, which would put you two in the highest category concerning underlaying compatibility.
It means that there are quite some similiarities beneath everything else. Just look at the signs you have in common, that really might be your common ground.
Even though of course I know this is a little bit simplistic. But it could be a good start to begin a synastric analysis. To see if there is already common ground in the initial sign placements.

EDIT:
Oh and this doesn`t seem to be always the case, that couple reach 30 points and more. I also checked the natal comparision for Liz Taylor / Richard Burton and Spencer Tracey / Katherine Hepburn, and even though there were *some* "hooks", the overall result was average to high-average.

The pairings of Paul Newmann / Joanne Woodward and Robert Browning / Elizabeth Barrett Browning on the other hand were both in the maximal or very high - bordering maximal category.

posted June 22, 2010 02:15 PM            

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
-----------------------------

his Sun in AQUARIUS,
her Sun is in Pisces, Jupiter, the old ruler of Pisces, is in GEMINI

--- so same element, AIR: - - - 1 point

his Sun is in Aquarius, Uranus, new ruler of Aquarius, is in PISCES, her Sun in PISCES
- so same sign PISCES --- 3 points

his Sun-dispositor in PISCES, the Dispositor, Neptune of her Sun, in VIRGO
- so opposing signs - 2 points

etc. etc.

Another example for attraction:

Richard Burton - Liz Taylor (they actually have almost maximal attraction)

his Sun and her Moon, are both in SCORPIO

Pluto and Mars are the dispositors of her Moon and both are in water signs, same element as his Sun, so WATER is the common ground here

Pluto as new ruler of his Sun, is in CANCER, her Moon is in SCORPIO, and both her MOon-dispositors are in CANCER and PISCES - so again common ground is water and especially CANCER

his Moon in Virgo, her Sun in Pisces - opposing signs

his Moon and her Sun-dispositor (Neptune as ruler of her Pisces-Sun) are both in VIRGO

his Moondispositor in Sagittarius (his Moon is in Virgo, ruler of Virgo is MErcury, which is in Sagittarius); her Sun Dispositor (Jupiter as ruler of her Pisces Sun) is in Leo - so the common ground is FIRE.

posted June 22, 2010 03:18 PM            

° Sun to Sun
Moon in Virgo
Uranus in Sag = 0

° Moon to Moon
Mercury in Cancer
Venus in Pisces = 1

° IC to IC
Sun in Cancer
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

° MC to MC
Uranus in Capricorn
Neptune in Capricorn = 3

° Venus to Venus
Sun in Cancer
Neptune in Capricorn = 2

° Mars to Mars
Sun in Cancer
Jupiter in Aries = 0

° ASC to ASC
Mercury in Cancer
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

° DESC to DESC
Jupiter in Gemini
Jupiter in Aries = 0

° Sun to Moon
Moon in Virgo
Venus in Pisces = 2

° Moon to Sun
Mercury in Cancer
Uranus in Sag = 0

° IC to MC
Sun in Cancer
Neptune in Capricorn = 2

° MC to IC
Uranus in Capricorn
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

° Venus to Mars
Sun in Cancer
Jupiter in Aries = 0

° Mars to Venus
Sun in Cancer
Neptune in Capricorn = 2

° ASC to DESC
Mercury in Cancer
Jupiter in Aries = 0

° DESC to ASC
Jupiter in Gemini
Mercury in Aquarius = 1

posted June 22, 2010 03:58 PM            

you have to check BOTH, the actual signs of the planets and their dispositors. To make it simple, I always write it like this:

person A

Sun: Sagittarius (Pisces)
Moon: Aquarius (Scorpio / Cancer)

IC: Aries (Sagittarius)
MC: Libra (Capricorn)

Venus: Capricorn ( Cancer)
Mars: Sagittarius (Pisces)

ASC: Sagittarius (Pisces)
DESC: Gemini (Sagittarius)

(The sign in brackets is the sign of the Dispositor).

Person B:

Sun: Capricorn (Gemini)
Moon: Libra (Sagittarius)

IC: Aries (Scorpio)
MC: Libra (Sagittarius)

Venus: Sagittarius (Capricorn)
Mars: Scorpio (Libra / Scorpio)

posted June 22, 2010 03:59 PM            

I make it 42 points on your amended calculations. but i don't care anyway lol
We are going to get married one day and we are living happily ever after

° Sun to Sun
his sun cj exact my sun
3 points

° Moon to Moon
his moon in scorpio/ruler pluto/mars. my moon in aries/ruler mars/pluto.

his pluto is in virgo. my pluto is in virgo.
his mars is in aries. my mars is in taurus.
His scorpio moon oppose my moon dispositor - mars/taurus. 2 points

my aries moon conjunct his moon dispositor - mars/aries. 1 points
° IC to IC
his IC cj my IC
3 points

his IC is scorpio. my IC is scorpio.

° MC to MC
his MC cj my MC
3 points

his MC is taurus. my MC is taurus.

° Venus to Venus
his venus dispositor - taurus. my venus dispositer - taurus.

3 points

° Mars to Mars
his mars is in aries. his mars dispositor is aries.

my mars dispositor is in aries.
6 points

° ASC to ASC
his ASC cj my ASC
3 points

° DESC to DESC
his DESC cj my DESC
3 points

° Sun to Moon
his moon opp my sun - 2 points

his moon dispositor is in same element as my sun. - 1 point
Total 3 points
yes, this is actually opposing.

° Moon to Sun
his venus is in gemini. Dispositor mercury is in taurus.

my sun is in taurus.
(in fact our suns and mercurys are all DW cj exact!)
So this is 3 points? or 1 point? I won't add it.
° IC to MC
his IC opp my MC
2 points

° MC to IC
his MC opp my IC
2 points

° Venus to Mars
his mars cj my venus exact
3 points

my venus dispositor is in taurus. his mars dispositor is in aries. my venus is in aries which talks to his mars dispositor? Is that 1 point? I won't add it to the total lol
° Mars to Venus
my mars is in taurus and my mars dispositor is aries.

his venus is in gemini and his venus dispositor is taurus.
my mars talks to his venus dispositer
1 point.

° ASC to DESC
his ASC opp my DESC
2 points

posted June 22, 2010 04:31 PM            

I am glad you are that happy.

Amy,

posted June 23, 2010 12:50 AM            

I'll amend it.

quote:

---

° Sun to Sun
Cancer vs Aquarius
Moon in Virgo
Uranus in Sag = 0

° Moon to Moon
Virgo vs Libra
Mercury in Cancer
Venus in Pisces = 1

° IC to IC
Leo vs Virgo
Sun in Cancer
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

° MC to MC
Aquarius vs Pisces
Uranus in Capricorn
Neptune in Capricorn = 3

° Venus to Venus
Leo vs Pisces
Sun in Cancer
Neptune in Capricorn = 2

° Mars to Mars
Leo vs Sag
Sun in Cancer
Jupiter in Aries = 1

° ASC to ASC
Gemini vs Gemini
Mercury in Cancer
Mercury in Aquarius = 3

° DESC to DESC
Sag vs Sag
Jupiter in Gemini
Jupiter in Aries = 3

° Sun to Moon
Cancer vs Libra
Moon in Virgo
Venus in Pisces = 2

° Moon to Sun
Virgo vs Aquarius
Mercury in Cancer
Uranus in Sag = 0

° IC to MC
Leo vs Pisces
Sun in Cancer
Neptune in Capricorn = 2

° MC to IC
Aquarius vs Virgo
Uranus in Capricorn
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

° Venus to Mars
Leo vs Sag
Sun in Cancer
Jupiter in Aries = 1

° Mars to Venus
Leo vs Pisces
Sun in Cancer
Neptune in Capricorn = 2

° ASC to DESC
Gemini vs Sag
Mercury in Cancer
Jupiter in Aries = 1

° DESC to ASC
Sag vs Gemini
Jupiter in Gemini
Mercury in Aquarius = 2

THIRTEEN.

---

posted June 23, 2010 12:09 PM            

that is exactly the point, w hat you wrote here:
"To me---Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton had a bad relationship. *I* would not want it."

This is what we always do, all of us, not just you alone. We judge a synastry by our OWN ideas and ideals of how a relationship should be.
Now while I certainly would not want such a relationship either, there may be people who crave for exactly that kind of Drama, this intensity, that borders the insane, almost manic-depressive. Laurence olivier and Vivien Leigh would be another example of this.
I found it very interesting that Liz Taylor still refers to Richard Burton as one of her two soulmates (Mike Todd being the other one) and she even said in a recent interview, that if Burton was still alive, she would instantly marry him again.

Anyway, I also think that some of these "I can`t live without you, but I can`t live with you" relationship scenarios may be due to a high difference in attraction vs. compatibility. In these passionate but volatile relationships people may have ultra strong attraction aspects - probably also strong Pluto aspects, natally and synastrically-, but their compatibility would be limited.
On the other hand, if compatibility is high, but attraction is pretty low, this might be relationships that can go on forever, but those in which fformer lovers tend to become friends more than lovers and their sexual life may fade quickly. Yet, their compatibility could keep them together.

My all time favourite "soulmate-couple" is Robert Browning and Elizabeth Barrett-Browning, and I found it very interesting, that they have an EXACT balance between underlying compatibility and attraction. Intriguing.

"It is very sad. They must have been playing out FOO(family of origin ) patterns."
This is of course always a thing to keep in mind.
I also think that we need to take oiur natal constellations more strongly into account as we are doing right now.
The expression / reception of a Venus-Pluto aspect in synastry always depends on the natals.
Just imagine two people have a strong Venus-Pluto synastry, but person A has Virgo and Capricorn-emphasis, while person B has Sagittarius and Aquarius-emphasis. I think this Venus-Pluto-aspect might feel like a shock to tehm, and probably will not be very well received.
I on the other hand LOVE Pluto-synastry. No, not love it, I NEED it to feel attracted. But my Venus is squaring my Pluto natally, no surprise here. And I always - without exception- ONLY feel attracted to someone who has Pluto in regard of his core or relationship planets. So ususally it will be Sun-Pluto, Venus-Pluto, Mars-Pluto or ASC-Pluto.
I can have a LOAD of nice synastric aspects that others lick their fingers after (you can`t relaly say that in English I guess, but I hope you know what I mean), but if there is no Pluto in play, I just don`t fall in love. Simple as that.

Actually there is an example in the celebrity world. Jonathan Rhys - Myers. I once looked up his chart, cause I have been bored, and saw:

His Sun (in my 8th house) in the opposing sign of my Moon
His Sun trine my Mars and ASC
his Moon (in my 1st house) conjunct my Sun
his Venus (in my 7th house) opposite my Sun
his Mars EXACT on my DESC and opposing my Mars

I should probably develop an instand crush on him, but he really just doesnīt do anything for me. I couldn`t be less interested in anyone.

Consequently there is only limited Pluto synastry
His Mars is trine my Pluto by 2 degrees, but that is just too little for me.

And his natal Pluto is, well, only weakly aspecting his Mars- probably just enough to make me notice that he exists, but that`s all.

But I know for someone else, Pluto-aspect will send them running screamingly into the opposite direction!

I think our interpretation of a "good relationship" very much depends on what we are looking for on our own, but that can be different from others.
To me a good relationship is one who has a good basis in compatibility, with excellent Mercury aspects (that is an absolute must for me, as Mercury rules my DESC - and therefore has maximum priority as "relationship-planet") - and it turns out that I have ONLY been really turned on by guys who have their Mercury in firesigns, either Aries or Sagittarius, the only exception is Mercury in Pisces, it seems like there ARE no other Mercury placements for me; in friendships Mercury is often in Aquarius or Libra, but never in Gemini, and sometimes in Aries and Sag, too-, but on top of that good compatibility I also crave for very intense attraction aspects, or I wouldnīt even get motivated to invest myself emotionally.

I also think if the compatibility-cushion is very good and stable, then people can deal with even VERY difficult aspects. Of course it depends how ou deal with tension natally. Someone with much Taurus or Libra or Cancer or just Moon and Venus energy might be seriously hurt by conflicts / tension, while my Aquarius-Moon and Sagittarius planets sometimes even welcome differences; the one good thing about these placements is that I can take a step backwards and stop taking everything so personally, at least most of the times. For someone with much Cancer for example that could be a difficult task.

But this comparision of signplacements / dispositors could be a first step to get an understanding about the underlying "energetical exchange" between people.

posted June 23, 2010 12:49 PM            

Speaking of which, I should check past horrible relationships...

° Sun to Sun
Aquarius vs Aquarius
Uranus in Sag
Uranus in Sag = 6

° Moon to Moon
Virgo vs Libra
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Pisces = 3

° IC to IC
Pisces vs Virgo
Neptune in Capricorn
Mercury in Aquarius = 2

° MC to MC
Virgo vs Pisces
Mercury in Pisces
Neptune in Capricorn
...his IC dispositor is in the same sign as my MC, so I guess that's a 3?

° Venus to Venus
Capricorn vs Pisces
Saturn in Sag
Neptune in Cap
...again, my Venus's dispositor is in the same sign as his Venus (they are actually conjunct) so.. 3?

° Mars to Mars
Aries vs Sag
Mars in Aries
Jupiter in Aries = 4

° ASC to ASC
Scorpio vs Gemini
Pluto in Scorpio
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

° DESC to DESC
Taurus vs Sag
Venus in Capricorn
Jupiter in Aries = 0

° Sun to Moon
Aquarius vs Libra
Uranus in Sag
Venus in Pisces = 1

° Moon to Sun
Virgo vs Aquarius
Mercury in Pisces
Uranus in Sag = 0

° IC to MC
Pisces vs Pisces (these are actually conjunct)
Neptune in Capricorn
Neptune in Capricorn = 6

° MC to IC
Virgo vs Virgo
Mercury in Pisces
Mercury in Aquarius = 3

° Venus to Mars
Capricorn vs Sagittarius
Saturn in Sag
Jupiter in Aries = 4

° Mars to Venus
Aries vs Pisces
Mars in Aries
Neptune in Capricorn = 0

° ASC to DESC
Scorpio vs Sag
Pluto in Scorpio
Jupiter in Aries = 0

° DESC to ASC
Taurus vs Gemini
Venus in Capricorn
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

posted June 23, 2010 01:05 PM            

° Sun to Sun
Libra vs Aquarius
Venus in Libra
Uranus in Sag = 1

° Moon to Moon
Libra vs Libra
Venus in Libra
Venus in Pisces = 3

° IC to IC
Scorpio vs Virgo
Pluto in Scorpio
Mercury in Aquarius = 0

° MC to MC
Taurus vs Pisces
Venus in Libra
Neptune in Capricorn
...my dispositor is in Cap which is in the same element as his MC so 1?

° Venus to Venus
Libra vs Pisces
Venus in Libra
Neptune in Cap = 0

° Mars to Mars
Virgo vs Sag
Mercury in Libra
Jupiter in Aries = 2

° ASC to ASC
Leo vs Gemini
Sun in Libra
Mercury in Aquarius = 1

° DESC to DESC
Aquarius vs Sag
Uranus in Sag
Jupiter in Aries = 4

° Sun to Moon
Libra vs Libra
Venus in Libra
Venus in Pisces = 6....?

° Moon to Sun
Libra vs Aquarius
Venus in Libra
Uranus in Sag = 1

° IC to MC
Scorpio vs Pisces
Pluto in Scorpio
Neptune in Cap = 1

° MC to IC
Taurus vs Virgo
Venus in Libra
Mercury in Aquarius = 2

° Venus to Mars
Libra vs Sag
Venus in Libra
Jupiter in Aries = 2

° Mars to Venus
Virgo vs Pisces
Mercury in Libra
Neptune in Cap = ...3?

° ASC to DESC
Leo vs Sag
Sun in Libra
Jupiter in Aries = 3

° DESC to ASC
Aquarius vs Gemini
Uranus in Sag
Mercury in Aquarius = 4

posted June 23, 2010 01:22 PM            

that is why I think it is not enough to just have a look at these. There are houseplacements and natal aspects modifying all of this.

For example I have Moon in detached Aquarius and Venus in reserved Capricorn. If you didnīt know that my Venus also squares Pluto, you might get a false or only partial image of me. Which makes me think that I have of a modification of this system, that integrates natal aspects, too.

Ami,

posted June 23, 2010 01:26 PM            

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This is the one with Aspergers, the one that drove me almost insane.

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My goal is to try to come back today with a few relationships.
Amowls, I like to do forensic synastry, too.
It is like figuring out the murder after it happened

posted June 23, 2010 01:46 PM            

i never added pts if the depositor of one persons planet is in the same sign or element or opposite of the other personals Natal one. i thought it was only Depositor vs Depositor sign/placement.

i shall re count under that,

i won't do aspects between them as i am not sure waht a sextile/trine/square/conjunct/opp equals. DD?

also, do you think in general it might be of any significance thats a persons Personal planet depositor, positively aspects the other persons personal planet? for example, the synastry im looking at, her moon depisoter Saturn, Trines my Sun. but my sun is 27 leo, and hers Saturn is 0 Capricorn (trine of 3) ?

synastrically her Moon Quincunx's my moon.

would you consider any further affinity if they are in linked houses? e.g. her moon depisotr saturn is in my 5th house (house ruled by sun).

lets take a look now anyway..

Sun-Sun

Leo Vs Aquarius
Uranus Trine my Sun (how many pts if any?) its out of sign..)

synastry its sun opposite sun as well as in opposite signs (2pts? we'll stick with depositor/depositor and depositor/personal planet)..

0 pts

Moon-Moon
Aries Vs Capricorn
Mars Virgo - 1 pt vs Saturn Capricorn - 1 pt =

2 pts

IC - IC
Libra Vs Virgo
Venus in Libra + her Depositor Mercury in Aquarius = 1 pt
my IC in Libra vs her Mercury in Aquarius = 1 pt

= 2pts

MC - MC
Aries vs Pisces
Mars in Virgo (opposite her MC in aspect and sign?) = 2 pts

her Depositor Neptune in capricorn = 1 pt, trine in aspect to my depositor?

Venus - Venus

Venus Libra vs Venus Aries
0 pts

Mars - Mars
Virgo vs Sagittarius

0 pts

ASC - ASC

Leo vs Cancer

0 pts

DSc - DSC
Aquarius vs Capricorn
Uranus in Capricorn = 3 pts
(conjunct her DSC ruler Saturn in its own sign more pts?..)
Uranus & Saturn (depositors) in Capricorn = 3pts

Moon- Sun
Sun-Moon

= 1 pt

IC-MC
MC-IC

her IC in virgo same sign as my MC ruler? = 3? pts and in the same sign as my MC Ruler depisotor? = 3 pts? her IC Ruler Depositor Mercury In Aquarius, Uranus, in capricorn, same element as my MC ruler, and ruler depisotr = 2 pts?

Mars-Venus
Venus-Mars

my Mars In Virgo vs Venus in Aries.
depositor of mars in VIrgo, depositor of venus in Sagittarius. = 0 pts

Venus in Libra vs Mars in Sagittarius

Mars Depositor in Aries oppose my Venus in Libra = 2 pts.

****** DD****** if my personal planet Venus is in its own sign, and her Mars Depositor is in Aries, is it just 2 pts for her depositor oppoising my venus, or is it 4, because my venus doesnt have a 'depositor' and its in its own sign?

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ASC-DSC
DSC-ASC

Leo Vs Capricorn
sun in leo vs Depositor = 0 pts, but are in trine aspect to one another otu of sign by 3 orb.

Cancer Vs Aquarius
Moon in Capricorn (Saturn in capricorn) DSC ruler in Capricorn = 3 pts same sign as ASC Ruler = 3 more pts Depisotr of Uranus as DSC ruler in Capricorn = 3 pts for her ASC ruler, and another 3 for her ASC ruler's depisotr in same sign? 3 pts? not sure..

result:

27? Very High

not sure if i did that right but oh well lol it is definitely more than 13 than i originally thought.

so probably within average to high average atleast if not very high.

perhaps we should really take this into consideration for hard aspects in synastry.

i got that wrong last time!

posted June 23, 2010 05:37 PM            

"i thought it was only Depositor vs Depositor sign/placement."
No, dispositor to natal, also.

"i won't do aspects between them as i am not sure waht a sextile/trine/square/conjunct/opp equals. "
I didnīt do it either. Even though I think a tight aspect would intensify the connection.

"also, do you think in general it might be of any significance thats a persons Personal planet depositor, positively aspects the other persons personal planet? "
Yes, I start to definitely think that it is significant.

"for example, the synastry im looking at, her moon depisoter Saturn, Trines my Sun. but my sun is 27 leo, and hers Saturn is 0 Capricorn (trine of 3) ?"
That might give *a little bit of * a Sun-Moon flavour I think. Een though in your case it is out of sign, maybe this would be a bit weaker?

"would you consider any further affinity if they are in linked houses? e.g. her moon depisotr saturn is in my 5th house (house ruled by sun)."
The problem is that the deeper we get, the more details we look at, we might get confused and lose sight of the "main things".
But, yes I think there is significance to this, too.
But in a more subtle way. Example: if I gave for the actual Moon in your 5th house 3 points, I would maybe give for the dispositor in your 5th house 1,5-2 points, but not the same amount as the actual planet in your house.

"Leo Vs Aquarius
Uranus Trine my Sun (how many pts if any?) its out of sign..)"
So you have opposing signs of the actual planets that would make 2 points.
Your sun dispositors seem to be in the same element - so 1 more point.
In what sign are Uranus and Sun?

"Aquarius vs Capricorn
Uranus in Capricorn = 3 pts
(conjunct her DSC ruler Saturn in its own sign more pts?..)"
I am confused now. I feel like there is an information lacking. but I am too tired to think it all through right now.

"her IC in virgo same sign as my MC ruler? = 3? pts and in the same sign as my MC Ruler depisotor? = 3 pts?"
Yes, but you are mixing compatibility and attraction here, I think?

"the connection her IC Ruler Depositor Mercury In Aquarius, Uranus, in capricorn, same element as my MC ruler, and ruler depisotr = 2 pts? "
Yes.

"if my personal planet Venus is in its own sign, and her Mars Depositor is in Aries, is it just 2 pts for her depositor oppoising my venus, or is it 4, because my venus doesnt have a 'depositor' and its in its own sign?"
4.
You could consider Libra as the actual signplacement of your Venus AND it is also the sign of the dispositor of Venus (it means that planets in their own sign always are counted twice - they are pretty strong)

"perhaps we should really take this into consideration for hard aspects in synastry. "
That is, where I think it has the most merits, to analyze the aspects further.
Also, these overtones / dispositors may show an underlying theme.
Usually there is a good mix, but sometimes an element will be emphasized in the overtones.

I am aa rather extreme example of this.
My main element is fire: Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC in Sagittarius with a bit of Air, Moon in Aquarius and even a little earth through Venus in Cap. NO single personal planet is in water though.

If you check my dispositors though, the image gets modified:
Sun-dispositor in Pisces
Moon-disp in Scorpio / Cancer
Mercury-disp in Pisces
Venus-disp in Cancer
Mars-disp in Pisces
ASC-disp in Pisces

ALL dispositors of personal planets are in watersigns. this element HAS to be strong, at least in a subtle way, and it is.