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DD
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posted July 22, 2010 11:42 AM
  
he said, in tears.Here is the chart:  Can you find that quote, or that feeling he expressed with that quote, in the chart?
Where can we see that this was indeed real and love? IP: Logged |
DiandraReborn25
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posted July 22, 2010 11:45 AM
dont really know DD but waht caught my attention was Karma cj Valentine. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted July 22, 2010 11:47 AM
One person's Valentine in the other's 5th house
The ohter person's Valentine in other's 7th house?IP: Logged |
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posted July 22, 2010 12:12 PM
I think he say so because he visually something he believe on... I think he not was meant to be with her because valentine square her valentine.
his valentine square hers pluto
his valentine conj hers karma
his psyche trine hers valentineWas they really in a relationship? IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 22, 2010 12:16 PM
Yes, they were. Quite long actually.He was saying that, shortly before his death, when reflecting on his life, a long time after her death.
He had been (happily) married to his wife (not her) for over 20 years at that time! IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 22, 2010 12:18 PM
The NN's seem big.
DD--what is that Mars like symbol with the dot in it next to the Mars ? Ami ------------------
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posted July 22, 2010 12:22 PM
DD. interesting. I've one valentine square valentine to the man I had strong strange feeling for. I'm not meet him in long time. Maybee I not should give up him  .IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted July 22, 2010 12:24 PM
DD. But he was married in someone else? and happy? Is it possible?IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 22, 2010 12:24 PM
Ami,that would be Uranus. 
Popcorn,
I don`t think ONE aspect alone can decide the fate of a relationship, not even Valenting-Valentine-square.
Even though of course it will have its effect. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
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posted July 22, 2010 12:26 PM
DD did you try a composite?IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 22, 2010 12:26 PM
OH 
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Hermes made me do it. IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted July 22, 2010 12:29 PM
I must see more. I also need a composite and maybe the Progress chart match each other in long time.
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DD
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posted July 22, 2010 12:47 PM
Usually I would agree on the progressed charts, but he was saying this, out of the frame of their relationship. His sentiment on this seemed to somehow extended time. I don`t know.Personally I think the natal synastry suffices, but as I know there are so many composite-lovers here, I will post it here in a minute or two. IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted July 22, 2010 01:18 PM
both of their Moon's are un-aspected... to me that throws a huge red flag up...EDIT: just saw that one is conj to the MC... but it's the only moon aspect... IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted July 22, 2010 01:20 PM
I know why he said so.In hers natal chart she have a kite including proserpina/persephone/valentine/pluto When they meet each other with his venus on one side and ixion/psyche on the other side they togheter get one star of david. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 22, 2010 01:28 PM
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posted July 22, 2010 01:41 PM
They have some classic aspects which can indicate a deep soul connection
-saturn square moon
-venus trine chiron
-venus sextile pluto
-sun sextile IC
-MC conjunct Moon
-MC-IC axis widely conjunct
-sun trine NeptuneAnd with that Saturn conjunct ASc plus Saturn conjunct N.Node they made sure not to miss the lessons this time. They had a lot of karma to work on... IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 22, 2010 01:44 PM
"And with that Saturn conjunct ASc plus Saturn conjunct N.Node they made sure not to miss the lessons this time. They had a lot of karma to work on..."
Exactly my thoughts.  IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted July 22, 2010 01:52 PM
I'not believe that is enough to get this feelings.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 22, 2010 01:54 PM
No, the Saturnian connections just explain the karmic issues and why their connection had such a lasting effect, I think.IP: Logged |
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posted July 22, 2010 02:07 PM
They also have in the composite karma conj P fortuna. For me the most importent in both synastry and in composite persephone and proserpina connection. In composite these two people have tight opp persephone - proserpina in conj to MC/IC.
In composite I also like merk conj amor is fine also mars conj psyche.IP: Logged |
StarrofVenusGirl
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posted July 22, 2010 02:38 PM
Composite Moon conjunct the DSC must also be indicative of a very fulfilling emotional partnership, maybe like the other person completed them in some way?ETA: And in 29 Scorpio at that...this lifetime was definitely their time to work on "them." IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted July 22, 2010 03:04 PM
So... when a planet on the composite shows up on the 29th degree (lets say Venus)... it means that? (it's a time for them to work on the relationship)IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 22, 2010 03:42 PM
They have several closed circuits between their charts, which include all (or almost all) of HIS planets I think.
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his Sun: 29 Taurus
his Mercury. 27 Taurus
his Saturn: 25 Pisces
his NN: 25 Cancer
his Venus: 29 Aries
her Neptune: 28 Cancer
her midheaven: 00 Aquarius
Note, how HIS Venus is on the exact midpoint of her NEptune-Midheaven-square!
I think that his Venus square her Neptune might very well have given him a soulmate-feeling, though an unfulfilled one in a way.
they have a LOT of Neptune btw. natally he has Venus square NN, another sign that he might wait for a soulmate-relationship, but that this might not be unchallenging. And her Neptune conjuncts his NN and squraes his Venus. So her Neptune is doubly emphasized here. No wonder she dazzled him! his Saturn trines his NN - something fated about connections.
her NN is actually at 22 Pisces, conjunct his Saturn and trine his NN. Through their relationship he was able to work on this karmic lesson?
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his Moon: 19 Virgo
his Mars: 17 Capricorn
his ASC: 16 Gemini
his Pluto: 22 Gemini
his Chiron: 18 Aquarius
her Mars: 21 Cancer
her Saturn: 17 Gemini
her Venus: 18 Libra
her NN: 22 Pisces She had a pretty tight Venus-Saturn-trine.
His ASC-Chiron trine made this a Grand trine. His Chiron is the missing piece here. she also had Mars-NN-trine. This is a complimentary aspect to his natal Venus-NN-aspect. Both had to deal with the other gender I guess.
his Moon-Pluto-square connects to this.
Also note the exact Pluto-NN-square, this one is quite compulsive, I can tell you from experience!
his emotionally intense Moon-Mars-trine connects to her Mars. The Mars-Mars-opposition was probably very hot and very fiery and challenging; his Moon relaxing it might have helped to ease the tension a bit, but in the end it just became too much.
Also his Mars turns her natal Venus-Mars-square in a T-square. They must have been on fire!
His Pluto and her Saturn might have given a feeling of fatedness and compulsion to that volatile constellation. They might have burned out, and yet could not let go of each other (Saturn and Pluto do that, you know?). They also share a Venus-Pluto-DW (trine and sextile).
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his Jupiter on 10 Cancer
his Neptune on 10 Cancer
his Uranus on 12 Capricorn
his MC on 10 Aquarius
her Sun on 12 Scorpio
her Moon on 9 Aquarius
her Jupiter on 13 Capricorn
her ASC on 13 Taurus She has a natal Sun-Moon-square. Jeez, she had both, the Sun-Moon AND Venus-Mars-square?
his MC fuelled this Sun-Moon-square, and it is clear in the reports that it was hsi public status and his talent and success that at first filled her with admiration but later on with jealousy and insecurity, as she could not keeping up with him!
his Uranus must have inspired her Jupiter-ASC-trine.
Those circuits included
BOTH
Sun`s, Moon`s, Venus, Mars, ASC, and MC.
Also both Saturn`s and Nodes. Both Neptune`s and Pluto`s.
Looks pretty intervowen, doesn`t it?
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StarrofVenusGirl
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posted July 22, 2010 06:53 PM
My understanding of planets in the 29th degree is that the soul has evolved to a point that the lessons associated with that planet are nearing completion. As opposed to planets in 0 degrees which are about new lessons.IP: Logged |
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