posted July 28, 2010 07:25 AM            

1. NESSUS square DEJANIRA, 1.2 degrees
2. Pluto conjunct Mars, 1 degree
3. Retro Saturn sq Mercury, 1.2 degrees
4. KAALI conj IXION exact

Maybe if his Venus was also 12th, it would have manifested as additional sociopathy?
I think his Sag Moon and Uranus trine Saturn helped in tempering down the negative tendencies.

posted July 28, 2010 07:59 AM            

Ami

posted July 28, 2010 08:00 AM            

Ami

posted July 28, 2010 08:55 AM            

I'm the other way... I don't relate to many of the stories (except the Merc rx) but a lot of the aspects/planet placements that have been brought up thru the whole thread I have... that frustrates me- b/c I could never see myself hurting another human. Heck, when I see another person in physical pain I usually can feel it/pick up their pain and all I want to do is help them feel better. (which is probably my Sun conj Neptune conj Psyche in the 6th house)

EDIT: I keep seeing DEJANIRA being brought up... what's important about this asteroid? It aspects my chart pretty heavily...
(I have it in Pisces square my Sun/Neptune/Psyche, sextile Moon, conj SN, Trine Nessus/Vertex/Uranus, inconj Pluto)

posted July 28, 2010 10:07 AM            

what in a chart cant point to some of the tendancies diandra and unmoved spoke of, without actually being a sociopath? and not necessarily these expected aspects?

posted July 28, 2010 11:08 AM            

Not everybody with "afflicted Neptune aspects" are sociopaths nor spades
I have Moon square Neptune as well as Winona Ryder that was born the same day as me. We both have have the Moon in Pisces square Saturn-Neptune opposition. My maternal uncle Dino has Sun-Neptune in Scorpio square Moon in Cancer, and he his no sociopath nor spade either.

also we're not licenced psychiatrists,psychologists to judging people based on their charts that they are sociopaths or have other psychiatric disorders

I do find that to be VERY irresponsible.

that's one of the problems that I have with Astrology

those same aspects that are focused on as psychiatric disorders can also be indicators for people with neurological,learning differences......especially ones that involve Mercury, 3rd house.

also in Medical Astrology, "afflicted" Neptune is also known as an indicator for potential misdiagnoses as well as extreme sensitivity to medications that they might need half of dosage. Both these things are true for me. I had psychiatric misdiagnoses, and I am also have extreme sensitivity to medications that I have had strong side effects including even a trial dosage (a small dosage) of an antidepressant even gave me strong termporary sexual side effects that lasted for a week.

also the "afflicted" Neptune aspects are said to be indicators for immunity issues too.....especially if they involve Saturn.

also according to Noel Tyl:, "afflicted" Neptune aspects are also indicators for problems with the blood. I don't agree with Neptune ruling the blood though.

These afflicted Neptune aspects are common in people that are actors

a matter of fact:
Michael Douglas has Sun-Neptune square Moon
his father was an actor,and he is married to an actress

also

like Stephen Arroyo said, there are people that misuse the easy aspects too

posted July 28, 2010 12:54 PM            

She also dated another sociopath off and on for two years about four years ago. Was a part of a mob in Japan, has killed people, drug runner, raped her, and sold porn for a living while living in another country. She didn't find this out until later though. As always, when he was around me and her -- nicest guy in the world who even insisted on praying before each and every meal! lol

posted July 28, 2010 12:55 PM            

Free Will is definitely there, it is also the free will of a potential victim to rescue herself from an abuser using Astrology.

In my book, an astrologer MUST judge the chart and give advice when asked about someone else by a client. When it is individual counselling, the astrologer must teach the client how to overcome the challenges in the chart.

BTW Winona Ryder was convicted of shoplifting, her Neptune did play up negatively for a short while.

In your case it manifested as Neurodivergence. If you can get me 20 charts of Neurodivergents seeking your help who have not been accused of any physical or emotional crime, I will easily be able to teach you to spot the exact difference between sociopaths/psychopaths and genuine Neurodivergents.

BTW, what has been your experience in relationships? Have you been able to initiate and sustain a long term relationship, and did the synastry manifest well? Did you get abused in a relationship? Sometimes the charts of an abuser and a victim can be identical.
You are after all one of the best examples of a non-psychopath non-sociopath with afflicted Neptune. I think the Pisces Moon is helping you overcome the afflictions through service.

posted July 28, 2010 01:14 PM            

I got sun conj. mars (violence is a natural part of my personality)

Sun opp. Neptune (druggie psycho neurodivergent scumbag aspect right there)

Sun trine Pluto (scary, evil witch apparently)

Moon sq. Mercury <--- I do have a filthy mouth worse than a sailor that can reduce a full grown man to tears.

Moon sq. Mars <-----PSYCHO aspect there

Moon opp. AC <---always at war with myself

Mercury sq. Pluto <--- my words are worse and more damaging than a physical kick to the balls

Mars opp. Neptune <---- delusional psycho schizopherenic aspect right there

Mars trine Pluto

Mars sq. MC

Mars opp. MC

Just looking as my Mars aspects you'd conclude I'm an anti social psychopath. Maybe in my teenage years I was emotionally disturbed in a violent way. Then in my late teens/early 20s, it was ME who was the victim of the psychopath who's chart I posted earlier in this thread.

IQ..I figured this energy of mine out. Have you by any chance read The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo by the Swedish journalist Stieg Larrson? The heroine is an anti social woman who's been declared mentally incompetant by the psychiatrist and psych homes she was put in as a young teen and she has her own moral code when it comes to men who abuse women..which is..

eye for an eye.

Awesome trilogy. That girl, Lisbeth Salander..is me. I even have the same tattoo the book is named after. I think she's a fantastic eg of how those "psycho" aspects can be integrated into another enigma all together.

posted July 28, 2010 01:30 PM            

@Diablo
Nice post but the oppositions like Sun opp Neptune are not that harmful, it is the squares that we need worry about. I agree, Glaucus is genuine but he is Neurodivergent.
We need to see more cases of non- psychopathic Neurodivergents and we can find more insights.

posted July 28, 2010 02:11 PM            

x o x Ami

posted July 28, 2010 06:20 PM            

yeah.....that can be said for any aspect
It definitely doesn't mean that she is a sociopath

also other things fit with her Moon in Pisces square Saturn-Neptune opposition that she shares with me.

She is in show business as an actress,director.
She is also a musician. She also started her own music company.

her parents were involved in the Hippy movement. As a child, she lived on a ranch commune. Her godfather was Timothy Leary.

Ryder is not even her real last name. It's actually Horowitz.

Even though she is known for being dark-haired, she is a natural blonde.

She briefly checked herself into a hospital when she was 20, because she was suffering from depression, anxiety attacks, and exhaustion, resulting from constantly working on films.

Suffered severe stomach pains and doubled over in pain. She was sent to her hotel room in London, England, UK, and later was admitted to the hospital and diagnosed with a severe gastroenterological disorder.

Suffers from insomnia. She allegedly has had a habit of talking on the phone with actor Al Pacino, who also suffers from insomnia.

Suffers from aquaphobia due to trauma she suffered at the age of 12 when she nearly drowned. This caused problems when she had to act in some of the underwater scenes in Alien: Resurrection (1997). The scenes had to be re-shot numerous times because of this.

She was harassed her first week of junior high school when a group of bullies mistook her for an effeminate, scrawny boy.

She practices Buddhism and believes in karma.

There are so many ways that hard Neptune aspects like Neptune squares can manifest

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posted July 28, 2010 08:02 PM            

I haven't really wanted or cared to see someone's interpretation of my ex because I know him pretty well.

But everyone around me always tells me how much they don't like him...for this or that reason. I'm going to get the exact time and post his chart.

posted July 29, 2010 04:12 AM            

Fulfilling your request IQ here is my chart:

I know it appears very Leo, but I act mostly Virgo. All my friends and family will testify how very Virgo I am, so those cusps play their part. I even use a screen name on several sites with the word Virgo in it I identify with it so much.

My mother's chart:

One of the sweetest people in the word!

For further study...

That is the correct birth time btw.

Here is the sociopath's chart who was sexually abusive, part of a Mob,(the Japanese Yakuza when he lived in japan illegally for a decade) sold bootlegged pornography for a living in Japan, has committed murder, held a gun to his ex-wife's head, had a family member beaten by a single phone call(he later died by falling and breaking his neck using the crutches while recovering from his injuries) physically violent, secret drug trafficking with helicopters in the military in Peru, survived a several hundred foot crash in the sky when almost everyone else aboard died,(almost his whole body was broken but eventually made a full recovery) very knowledgeable of black magic, did one nice thing by removing a poltergeist that haunted our family with nightmares for years at our current residence to win my mom over with his "spirituality". He then transferred it to place he moved out of where they suddenly began having nightmares/horrifying experiences, and when he told my mom about it he laughed and found it funny saying he would leave "it" there.

Showing what how "kind" he is and being so helpful is part of his disguise.(really goes out of his way to make others happy..but it's all for appearances) He is extremely diplomatic and charming at parties/events. He uses his spirituality and "closeness" with God to lure others into a false security of security.

posted July 29, 2010 06:24 AM            

Am now processing all your charts, lets find a unique insight....

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posted July 29, 2010 06:46 AM            

1. Pluto conjunct retrograde Venus exact in Virgo. Perv control freak.

2. Sun square OSIRIS exact, the Anti-Hero aspect.

3. Mars square Saturn exact, the frustrated rebel aspect.

4. DEJANIRA quincunx Chiron exact, indicates a need to cause emotional wounds to lovers, probably to control them because of point 1.

5. LUCIFER trine Saturn exact, can easily act out evil. Saturn is in 0 Capricorn, he could have cleared all his past life karmic debts but chose the dark side. Lucifer, Saturn and Mercury form a grand trine of twisted thinking and actions.

6. Uranus in 12th square RUDRA exact. Hidden destructive wicked acts which come as a surprise to others when revealed.

7. DNA conj ANUBIS exact. This can indicate dark side reptilian DNA or Ancient Egyptian royal bloodline.

8. Moon conj IXION, 3 degrees.

9. LUST sq Neptune exact with LUST quincunx Pluto-Venus. Double Perv.

10. The deadliest aspect: retro NESSUS conjunct KAALI exact in 27 taurus, just half degree away from ALGOL!!!! And this wicked aspect quincunxes Moon exact!!!

101% Sociopath.

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posted July 29, 2010 07:08 AM            

2. Mars weak square Nessus

3. Mars exact quincunx Saturn, nasty aspect that psychologically adds to the victim mindset.

4. LUST square DEJANIRA exact, again allows sexual victimization because of points 1 and 2.

5. LUCIFER weak square Moon.

6. KAALI opposes Venus, 1.5 degree orb.
Recall that Gerardo's Nessus conjuncts Kaali, so as far as your Mom goes, with respect to Gerardo, it is like a Nessus opposition Venus.

Interestingly, both Angel and Gerardo have
SIVA in 12th House.

Zanarkand's Aspects:
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You dont have any Nessus red flags but you too have a KAALI affliction. Sun-Mars-Venus are exactly squared by KAALI. Your vital emotional energy can be leeched by negative people and you should even be careful of Astral attacks etc. KAALI-Venus is playing a strong role in mother and daughter's charts along with the common JUNO in Pisces. You also have inherited Mars in Leo and the Saturn in 2nd House.

The main challenge for you is Saturn opp Dejanira, it is like high chances of getting "mentally" abused as Dejanira is in Gemini.

Pluto square Moon is another difficult aspect, of not being able to attain full emotional control.

You have VALENTINE conjunct ALGOL, this is a past life tragedy indicator.

You actually have very strong Star Seed Aspects: Sun-Venus-Mars and Mercury merge at REGULUS exact and Ascendant conjuncts SPICA-ARCTURUS exact.

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