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Topic: SOCIOPATHY in the natal chart
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PlutoSquared
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posted May 20, 2011 04:27 PM
  
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
or wait. that's your son maybe? is he born dec 4? that's weird cuz that's my mom's bday too. huh! well i have two different birthday books that basically say dec 4 people can be.. well.. not the nicest people (i think they're based on astrological degrees)
That's really interesting... because I know someone else with Dec. 4th birthday - a friend's ex boyfriend... he was not a nice guy, either... IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
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posted May 20, 2011 04:35 PM
And, yeah, that's the synastry between the socio and son...The socio's chart is this:  IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted May 20, 2011 04:58 PM
weird! and yeah there are some strong similarities or similar patterns. i have to wonder about those afflicted venuses in scorpios, personally. just something about that to me says 'perverse' (or i mean, potentially, if there are supporting factors etc), or sadistic. kwim?? the sabian for 13 sag is 'a widow's past is brought to light' (strange) and here are two others: Sagittarius 13
Sabian Symbol: A wistful young woman dressed in black is surprised into a warm companionship to which she has felt alien.
Kozminsky Symbol: An archer, with bloodstained dress, shooting at a stag. all of this refers to violence, darkness, loneliness. weird. i know my mom was deeply lonely which is why i always had compassion for her :/ i also dated two guys who were if not completely sociopathic, very very close (severely lacking in conscience, and both abusive and manipulative/charming), and i know it was due to my upbringing. one was diagnosed with borderline personality disorder three times, the other bipolar. thankfully i'm over that tendency. i'm gonna look at their charts but not put them up cuz i'm more interested in my mom. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted May 20, 2011 05:20 PM
hmm, with ex #1 (bipolar, supposedly) don't really see a lot on quick glance except a t-square of mars, pluto and moon, saturn in leo in the 12th, and venus opp saturn. he was extremely contolling (last resort after screaming for hours at me if i didn't do what he wanted was to threaten suicide) and explosive (moon aries in the 8th opposite pluto square mars). he also has SN in aries in the 8th and was extremely selfish. i think maybe he was more narcissistic than bipolar (despite his extreme mood swings) and even though his conscience lacked bigtime (i honestly do not recall it ever making an appearance) i think that is also a trait of narcissistic personality disorder. ex #2 (bpd) has nessus exactly opposite mercury in pisces (which is retro) and a t-square of mars, pluto and venus. trippy. but i'm starting to feel sick remembering these guys so that's all i'm going to look into it, at least for now. fun times. eta: WOW i just saw that mental health chart on page two. from what i see BPD is the extroverted version of schizophrenia? that makes so much sense. my therapist thinks my mother suffers from BPD (and i do too. i researched it plenty due to my ex). wow, that is a major revelation cuz its like they project their split OUTWARD, either loving/revering or hating/demonizing others, and often both, alternately. i think conscience flies out the window when you're completely obsessed with this crap. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted May 22, 2011 01:17 PM
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woah cakes
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posted May 24, 2011 12:20 PM
noooothing?i guess i'm really really curious how best to 'deal' with this person, according to her chart. normally i would not want to under any circumstance but she did something really awful to me a few years ago for which there will need to be ongoing continual conversation (trust me i would not engage were it not completely necessary), which i have not begun yet, but need to soon. given her chart and what i said about our relationship, any ideas about how to deal with her, or new ways to see her so as not to be so.. locked in this pattern of fear of her? IP: Logged |
maira
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posted May 24, 2011 03:44 PM
Hey woah cakes!
You should research the disease more - for instance, bipolar is not the same as BPD (the cycles are way shorter in BPD) http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walki ng-eggshells/201003/three-easy-ways-differentiate-bipolar-and-borderline-disorders Also, BPD is not the extroverted version of schizophrenia, but of schizoid personality disorder - these are people who live mostly inside their heads, isolated from others. No matter what the label is, if you're sure that it is a serious personality disorder the best way to handle it is to cut all ties. If that isn't possible, abstain from "engaging" - do not react to the hooks they throw at you. Sometimes it's easy for me to act as if I'm a therapist when dealing with these people, so the conversation goes something like this (I'm adapting it to fit the borderline disorder  ) "You're a horrible person and I hate you! - Ok, I understand that you are upset. Can you tell me the reason? - You didn't use a proper tone of voice when you said hi. - Ok, I can see why this would upset you and I am sorry if it made you feel that way." And so on, blah. After a while, if they don't get the knee jerk reaction from you, they'll search for it somewhere else. But you have to have lots of patience IP: Logged |
maira
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posted May 24, 2011 03:50 PM
I also want to add that this doesn't work with sociopaths 
In this case, if severing the ties is not possible, I have found that direct confrontation works best. Somehow, you have to out-sociopath them 
No conscience, no guilt, no fear. It worked for me.IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted May 24, 2011 04:17 PM
yikesorama. okay yes.. i see what you're saying. unfortunately i HAVE TO talk to her, i'm trying to build up the courage. she did something really awful and don't want to get into it (too personal and painful) and there is no way around this necessity.yeah i did research it somewhat after me and my ex with bpd split up. my therapist is pretty sure my mom is as well (as am i- she HATED me.. and told me all the time, once in a while she seemed to idolize me which was strange AFTER i left home and cut off contact, for many years between age 15-23ish she'd hook me back in by seeming way too overly into me in this very weird way only to turn on me within hours or days and begin hating me and trying to tear me apart. physically abused me frequently and tried to kill me several times. also tried to kill my father, planned it out and everything). anyway isn't a sociopath someone with no conscience? i swear she does not have one and she lies ALL THE TIME. thanks for the tips and reminders. blah.. it's such a tremendously heart breaking anxiety inducing experience dealing with these types. i guess cuz i'm an aquarius i want to be able to look into her chart, 'get' her and somehow find a method to deal with her via adapting to her chart and finding a way to not let her eff with me, even if it's just through UNDERSTANDING her better. IP: Logged |
maira
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posted May 24, 2011 04:39 PM
I'm sorry for what you've been through!
We don't have PM here, so I'll derail the thread a little bit further.Maybe someone more experienced could have a look at her chart. I usually rely on intuition, but it's not helping me here. Her behavior does strike me as psychopathic, the calculating bit. You should know better - it's fairly easy to tell if her tantrums were faked or real. If they're real, then the fear of abandonment causes them and she has BPD. Lots of reassurance, don't engage. If they're not, and she's lucid, um, well... like I said, the "no fear" bit works best. Yell harder, threaten harder, do whatever it takes to show that you will NOT break. I've learned that you can make a sociopath respect you in a weird way if you show him no empathy whatsoever. It's hard for empaths to achieve, but not impossible. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted April 01, 2012 09:36 PM
OK I created this thread much earlier...Yes My life has revoleved round it...Do Not under influence the power of pluto. It never fails to surprise me how people who Claim to be atrologers cant "feel" it. U must be numb! It is the most transformational, destructive, influence in my chart...Nothing can compete....Now T Pluto is right on my natals and men want to propose?? Ok?? Yes T Pluto is activting my Grand Trine with moon/venus/asc.
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Ami Anne
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posted April 01, 2012 09:41 PM
Thanks for bumping Scrabby. BE CAREFUL. That is what I am feeling for you, Sister. Be careful  ------------------
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Dreaming111
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posted April 02, 2012 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by seeleah:
it's interesting how great minds think alike..yeah, I thought of taking a good luck at ted bundy's chart too when I was reading this thread...interestingly enough...saturn is AGAIN in the 12th house..in fact with all the charts posted on here, INCLUDING TED BUNDY's, THEY ALL HAVE SATURN IN THE THE FIRST AND MOST OF THE TIME PLUTO NEAR THE ASC... just an observation..any other simularities? 
Man....I have Pluto and Saturn in the 12th.
This is really creeping me out.
I would like to think that I'm an emotional ball of love lol...not some sociopath. But now....after reading all this 12th hosue stuff, maybe people think or see me as being sociopathic or maybe I am kidding myself about being a good person and emotional...
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mintgirl123
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posted April 02, 2012 12:44 AM
^ haha I'm sure you're not some emotionless psycho =D.IP: Logged |
Dreaming111
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posted April 02, 2012 01:27 AM
Dang I hope not.I was seriously creeped out to have Ted's chart in my post.... IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted April 02, 2012 04:05 AM
<<
would like to think that I'm an emotional ball of love lol...not some sociopath. But now....after reading all this 12th hosue stuff, maybe people think or see me as being sociopathic or maybe I am kidding myself about being a good person and emotional...
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Millions of people have Pluto conjunct Saturn in 12th.Please read my analysis in this thread. Afflictions from Neptune and Nessus are also a necessary element in Sociopathy. Afflictions to Moon, Mercury or Ascendant are necessary too. The chart must be analyzed in its entirety to get the full portrait, including House Lords and Personality Asteroids. The fact that you are concerned about the feelings of other people itself is sufficient evidence that you are not a Sociopath
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Rosalind
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posted April 02, 2012 04:09 AM
I think I am a sociopath. Saturn in Sagittarius 1st house, Pluto in 12th in Scorpio and SN in 12th in Libra.The fact that I also have planets in 9th and 10th means nothing. If Saturn is placed in 1st house the native will be all his life ALONE without needing anyone. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted April 02, 2012 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Also Sag's are sometimes good conmen!
That's true, Sagitarians and Gemins get arrested for being con men the most. But Cancers kill more than other signs (including Scorpios) so I question the water = empathy thing.
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Aquacheeka
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posted April 02, 2012 06:26 AM
I think any sign unevolved or seriously afflicted tends toward sociopathy.IP: Logged |
Rosalind
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posted April 02, 2012 08:47 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I think any sign unevolved or seriously afflicted tends toward sociopathy.
Rubbish. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted April 02, 2012 08:49 AM
IQ is so calming and peaceful. I still want to clone him so ALL the ladies can have him but I cant get him to agree  ------------------
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violet7887
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posted April 02, 2012 06:17 PM
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Doux Rêve
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posted April 02, 2012 06:48 PM
Dreaming, I agree with iQ, you're probably not a sociopath because you seem to care too much! quote:
Originally posted by Rosalind:
I think I am a sociopath. Saturn in Sagittarius 1st house, Pluto in 12th in Scorpio and SN in 12th in Libra.The fact that I also have planets in 9th and 10th means nothing. If Saturn is placed in 1st house the native will be all his life ALONE without needing anyone.
What makes you think you're a sociopath apart from the astrological "evidence"?
@ Violet, interesting that their Jupiters are well aspected.. Kind of contradicts Ami's theory. And I don't see anything really difficult in their charts, well aspected Mercuries, not too many hard aspects.. hmm.
Maybe the worst people do have the easier charts after all..
I notice they both have Deja/Chiron though, now that's interesting. IP: Logged |
maira
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posted April 02, 2012 07:07 PM
I see strong Saturn in the charts - in the 1st one it's the most elevated and in the second one, exalted and conjunct the Sun.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted April 02, 2012 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
IQ is so calming and peaceful. I still want to clone him so ALL the ladies can have him but I cant get him to agree
I'm down w.this 
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