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Topic: Indications of Fame in a Natal Chart
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NickiG
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From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
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posted September 22, 2010 09:42 PM
 
sure, no one anticipates WHAT gets put in the media, but they do expect that some part of their privacy is gonna get put out into the media. and, the worst part of them gets put out there...thats all reporters are interested in making a story out of.
besides, there are plenty of famous people out there that we dont hear about everyday and do good to stay out of the tabloids------------------
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evanski
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posted September 22, 2010 11:53 PM
I'm still learning myself and don't yet know how to interpret a chart.Wanting to see what you were seeing I entered the data given at astro.com. It has his AC at 2.48 Libra and his MC at 3.14 Cancer.
Part of Fortune is at 21 Taurus. Jupiter and Neptune is conjunct by 8 degrees. Might be too wide, idk. The grand trine is shown as Mercury, Mars and Moon.
I think Moon is too far away to be in a grand trine.
(It has Moon trine Mercury by 6 degrees and trine Mars by 10 degrees). Also noticed that Moon would be in 11th house if using equal house system. I have Jupiter, Venus and Moon changing houses when using the equal house system.
I'm still not sure which feels more right.
Maybe someone here has thoughts on house syatems? His True Node is on the fixed star Aldebaran (my AC is conjunct this)  Actor opp Destinn 4 degrees
Actor square POF 1 degree
Actor square Saturn 3 degrees Fortuna conjunct Karma 2 degrees
Fortuna trine POF 1 degree
Fortuna trine Fama 3 degrees Fama trine POF 2 degrees
Fama trine Karma 6 degrees (too wide?)
Fama trine Chiron 4 degrees
Fama sextile Mars 1 degree
Fama sextile Sun 0 degrees
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Betty Boop
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From: Betty Boop Land
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posted September 23, 2010 12:13 AM
Sorry I still can't post the chart - I'll ask him first.
I'm very busy and just popped in - but it's funny looking through this thread - a lot of people seem to equate fame with "Hollywood" or the music industry. I would only desire fame in my particular area of work (what I'm passionate about). No famous people who have a similar career to my own - are known to have drug-problems etc LOL
Those problems are often associated with Hollywood fame, not *fame* in any area. Btw I had people staking me for a while because of my ex who is a singer/song writer and has a following (though I would not call him seriously *famous*) It's the most disturbing annoying thing. I hate privacy invasion because of my Pisces/Neptune. Nicki - Even if these people are full aware their privacy will be invaded - those close to them are usually not. I wasn't aware and it HIT me like a ton of bricks at the time. IP: Logged |
bonadea33
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posted September 23, 2010 05:01 AM
EsotericAstrologer,I have many actors and actresses on one place and have looked now, what they have in common: They have Jupiter in 5th house,
They have Neptune in 5th house,
They have ASC Leo,
They have Moon or Jupiter in 7th
and so on. It is one thing to be good actor or good and popular. Popularity is connected with the Moon. It is good idea to do that research. I like it. The problem is that many actors or actresses don't have hour of birth (especially younger generation).
It is also true that many of them have their own Astrologer and only he (she) knows exact DOB. B. IP: Logged |
bonadea33
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posted September 23, 2010 07:28 AM
There is also meaning that person with ASC at 5 degrees will be famous. If nothing else, your actor will be rich (with 3 planets in 2nd) and you can have something from that. B. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted September 23, 2010 07:34 AM
Success ultimately = Strong and unafflicted 5th House. Sun conj Jupiter with Mars or Venus also in 5th is the best bet.
Men with Sun in 6th House will ultimately lean towards large scale social service. I always pray for their success. Your boy will be amazingly successful as an Actor because Asteroid ACTOR is also in 5th, and Pisceans with Leo Moons make the best actors.
Whether he will gain cash and keep the cash is the issue here with Saturn retrograde in 2nd House. Perhaps after his Saturn Return.
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bonadea33
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posted September 23, 2010 07:45 AM
Here is the Chart from actor or EsotericAstrologer?  Asteroid Actor in 5th. B. IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted September 23, 2010 11:20 AM
Wait a min, is this acting 'client' really you because on the other thread you said YOU have Venus in the fifth house at 29 Aquarius but on this thread you are saying its him....IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted September 23, 2010 01:37 PM
take a gander at marilyn monroe's chart. moon in 7th, MC taurus, venus conj chiron (in 9th) and leo rising...empty fifth house...i don't think you can really pinpoint "fame" aspects in any scientific way..though i haven't checked her asteroids . IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted September 23, 2010 01:39 PM
katatonic, whats marilyns sun? just curious
pls give as many aspects as you can
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Musette
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posted September 23, 2010 02:20 PM
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i don't think you can really pinpoint "fame" aspects in any scientific way
Quoted for truth, Kat! People see only what they want to see in charts too often. Many people here have commented that Moon in 10th indicates fame, but I know a few professional astrologers who say it indicates fleeting fame (which could mean winner of the neighborhood bake-off). Are there a lot of famous people with Moon in 10th? Sure, and many with Moon in 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. Meta_4, I understand what you're saying. Most people now are probably so hung up on "fame" that they would rather be a Katy Perry than a David Bowie! There are so many people who just want to be famous, like the Kardashian family or Paris Hilton. Fame doesn't equate to meaningfulness or abilities. And I agree that if people really understood what "being famous" entailed, they wouldn't be so slap happy about it and perhaps instead would focus on being good at what they do instead of well-known for it. Marilyn Monroe's Sun was Gemini in the 11th. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 23, 2010 02:26 PM
Marilyn Monroe had a Moon,Saturn,Neptune t-square, and that sucker really played out in her life like her mother was in a psychiatric institution. She obviously needed to go to one too.
yes....I agree about the house stuff. As you know, I put little emphasis on houses myself. That's where I diverge from mainstream Astrology.
Raymond
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katatonic
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posted September 23, 2010 02:26 PM
nicki you can find her chart on astro.com, they have thousands of celebrity charts. or cast it yourself. june 1, 1926, 9.30 am in LA...and remember, no daylight time in '26!!personally i do think that jupiter in leo, especially in the 5th, indicates good luck in the performing arts. i agree with IQ that pisces sun/leo moon is a great performers' combo. brian jones of the rolling stones had this and exhibited its best and worst manifestations...and took the low road into drug oblivion when his leo moon was thwarted... IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 23, 2010 03:15 PM
check out the planetary nodes in her chart!Geocentric North Uranus Node in 13'27 Gemini
sextile Ascendant in 13'04 Leo Geocentric North Uranus Node in 13'48 Sagittarius trine Ascendant in 13'04 Leo Geocentric South Neptune Node in 12'40 Aquarius oppose Ascendant in 13'04 Leo
she had 3 outer planetary nodes aspecting the Ascendant, but the Geocentric South Neptune is the big one for it's in opposition to her Ascendant. Of course, that means that it's conjunct her Descendant.
She has personal connections to collective Uranian and Neptune energies.
She also had Mars in 20'43 Pisces sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node in 20'25 Capricorn
South Jupiter Node in 16'15 Capricorn
oppose/conjunct Lunar Nodes in 16'53 Cancer/Capricorn in 12th/16th
Check out her transneptunians
only the dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates
Orcus in 18'00 Taurus in 10th
oppose Saturn in 21'26 Scorpio R in 4th
square Moon in 19'05 Aquarius in 7th
(T-square)
Orcus is named after the Etruscan God ruler of the Underworld. He is said to be associated with oaths,promises.
It is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate plutino. It is astronomically similar to Pluto.
Quaoar in 7'09 Virgo in 2nd
trine Midheaven in 6'00 Taurus
square Mercury in 6'46 Gemini in 10th. Quaoar is named after the Native American Tongva creation deity who created through song and dance. It is said to be associated with inspiration,creativity. Haumea in 28'01 Cancer in 12th
square Venus in 28'45 Aries in 9th
trine Uranus in 28'59 Pisces in 8th Haumea is named after the Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess. associated with fertility,creative,female reproduction/cycles. Makemake in 23'39 Gemini in 11th
conjunct Antivertex in 24'31 Gemini Makemake is named after the Rapanui Fertility Creation God. associated with fertility,creativity, and communications. Makemake and Haumea are dwarf planets, and so they share the same rank as Pluto.
Having one of these objects in the 12th house is no joke like she had Haumea in 12th. I have the same placement myself.
She also has the following
Ixion in 20'38 Virgo in 2nd
oppose Mars in 20'43 Pisces in 8th
sextile Saturn in 21'26 Scorpio in 4th
sesquiquadrate Midheaven
Ixion is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino. That means that it's similar to Pluto astronomically. It's named after Lapith King who was punished by being tied down to a fiery wheel because of his sexual advances toward Hera. Ixion mated with a fake Hera made from a cloud by Zeus to test Ixion. From that union, was born the centaurs.
Ixion is associated with second chances, the karmic wheel, lust,and coveting Marilyn Monroe was very transneptunian type, and so highly evolutionary intensified.
This was something that astrologers wouldn't have known before the 21st Century which is when all the transneptunians except for Pluto were discovered. there is more
checking out her heliocentric nodes to her geocentric chart
she has the following:
Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 18'59 Taurus/Virgo
square Moon in 19'05 Taurus
so emotional nature strongly connected to collective Mars energy
can be quite emotionally volatile
which is already suggested by her Moon square Orcus which is very intense emotionally Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 13'37 Gemini/Sagittarius
sextile/trine Ascendant in 13'04 Leo Heliocentric Neptune Nodes in 10'58 Leo/Aquarius
sextile/trine Sun in 10'26 Gemini
check out what went on with her Venus
Heliocentric Chiron Nodes in 28'35 Libra/Aries
oppose/conjunct Venus in 28'45 Libra
talk about major collective self worth,love,relationship pain!
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Glaucus
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posted September 23, 2010 03:25 PM
I also checked her Right Ascension Chart.
Right Ascension is Equatorial Longitude. It is used along with Declination (Equatorial Latitude) to locate objects by astronomers.
It's a very valid coordinate to use in Astrology. I am believer in not approaching the sky from just one dimension. I believe in the multidimensional view of the sky applying to Astrology.
in regards to transneptunians in her Right Ascension chart:
Makemake in 22'55 Gemini
trine Moon in 22'25 Aquarius
square Mars in 22'20 Pisces
Quaoar in 7'23 Virgo
square Sun in 8'50 Gemini
square Mercury in 4'53 Gemini
Varuna in 4'38 Aries
sextile Mercury in 4'53 Gemini
Varuna is a transneptunian dwarf planet classical kuiper belt object aka cubewano. It was named after the Indian God of the Oceans, was once supreme god. He judged the drowned souls. It is said to be associated with justice,judgment,cosmic order, and competence.
Raymond
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katatonic
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posted September 23, 2010 07:04 PM
now that makes sense to me...connection to the collective energies WOULD probably predispose to fame. but not everyone with outer planet aspects wants to be famous. some have it "thrust upon" them.i think most performers want SOME fame, it goes with SUCCESS at what they do. it is hard to stay in work without people liking you and one thing leads to another. also, to get up and stand in front of those lights and a house full of people requires a certain willingness to show off!! and despite the paparazzi and tabloid interest in people, there are plenty of famous people who manage to keep their private lives private...of course that means taking some precautions in your own behaviour. personally i think the hardest thing about fame is knowing whom to trust...something a lot of celebrities have a lot of trouble with! but also not-so-famous people with money or power will have to weed through the opportunists and sycophants... IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 23, 2010 07:17 PM
I think that Marilyn Monroe had some major insecurity and self worth issues that stemmed from her childhood. There are beliefs that she was murdered. It's easy to believe that she could have died from her own hand due to a drug overdose.
Raymond
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raspberri
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posted September 23, 2010 07:22 PM
Anyone who knows about Norma Jean understands that she was not a normal person by any means. She is more famous than any other woman in Hollywood, I mean I live here and she is the main attraction people are fascinated with her. She is an icon, always will be. I feel that her past made her the person she became. You cant know what the light is until you have been through darkness. To me she just revolutionized the standards that beauty and sex appreal in a woman are. That is what Marilyn Monroe was, a sex
symbol; a very, very large one.
Btw Raymond, what do you think about the geocentric nodes of my Jupiter on my Sun and geocentric nodes of Uranus on my Venus- my chart ruler?
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Glaucus
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posted September 23, 2010 07:24 PM
you knowI actually liked her natural look better.
She looked more girl next door. I love that look.
Raymond
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FrozenQueen
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posted September 23, 2010 08:28 PM
10th house Jupiter...Luck with those in authority.------------------
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Glaucus
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posted September 23, 2010 08:37 PM
"Btw Raymond, what do you think about the geocentric nodes of my Jupiter on my Sun and geocentric nodes of Uranus on my Venus- my chart ruler?"
If you want to and work at it, you can be famous. You're probably very attractive looking too.
Raymond
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katatonic
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posted September 24, 2010 01:19 AM
that part of marilyn that remained childlike knew the light. i don't think the rest of her ever got past the dark. suicide definitely is a good possibility with her, as is "erasing" because she was too close to people who might have told her too much. i believe she died in 62? the profumo affair blended some similar "inappropriate liaisons" (politicians with call girls and rent boys) about the same time in britain and nearly brought the govt down..i also preferred her out of character, shall we say? she was outrageously beautiful, girl nextdoor or no....someone once told me it took her 3 hours to "become" marilyn monroe - makeup, hair, mannerisms; her offscreen persona was as much an act as anything she did onscreen. she came from very sick stock... one of the things that always amazes me about marilyn is that she was only 5'1"...she came across as larger than life and i don't mean just her tatas... IP: Logged |
bonadea33
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posted September 24, 2010 04:27 AM
Here is Natal Chart from Marilyn Monroe:  Her two photos, when she was very young 1st photo:
 2nd photo:
 Is somebody there in the World that was (and is) like she was? Nobody! B. IP: Logged |
bonadea33
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posted September 24, 2010 04:37 AM
Marilyn had something, nobody can buy with any money:
CHARME, SEX APPEAL, CHILDISH LOOK AND MUCH MORE. SHE HAD SPECIAL WARM AND SMILING EYES!The question is: was her hour of birth the right one? I have seen that one Astrologer made rectification of her DOB and she was ASC Leo at 5 degrees. In each case she was very unlucky: Stars don't lie! For me she was and still is: NUMBER ONE! b. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted September 24, 2010 04:41 AM
well...the astrologers didn't know about the transneptunian objects at the timethey can really fill in the blanks it's kinda like how astrologers in the old days were using only the objects to Saturn and probably wondering what's going on in the chart and they try to rectify by only using the objects up to Saturn
of course astrologers often overlook the nodes of objects besides the moon
Raymond
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