posted September 24, 2010 09:41 AM         

That would mean that her Ascendant would be square the Geocentric and Heliocentric Eris Nodes in Scorpio/Taurus

in her chart

Geocentric North Eris Node in 5'19 Taurus
Geocentric South Eris Node in 4'07 Scorpio
Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 4'57 Taurus/Scorpio

Her Ascendant in aspect to the nodes of Pluto's bigger fellow transneptunian dwarf planet could be good for charisma

I think that her South Geocentric Neptune Node oppose Ascendant could easily indicate the otherworldly charm.......especially considering that South Geocentric Neptune is a collective Neptune influence, and so she has a strong connection to collective Neptunian matters. She has the Geocentric and heliocentirc Uranus Nodes aspect her Ascendant too.

also if you think Pluto aspects have to do with charm,charisma,and magnetism, then her transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects have to be considered.
She had an overall very strong transneptunian chart that nobody knew about until the 21st Century.

Her Moon,Saturn,Orcus t-square is no joke that is like having a Moon,Saturn,Pluto t-square. Orcus is in the 10th house of career,and so like having Pluto in 10th. Astrologers wouldn't have known about that t-square because the big transneptunians weren't discovered until after the 21st Century started. If anything, Eris,Makemake,and Haumea could be easily viewed as the planets of the 21st Century even though they are classed as dwarf planets like Pluto-Charon binary system and Ceres.

Marilyn Monroe was a highly intensified individual. There is no doubt about that.
I don't think that the 20th Century astrology system can fully describe her.

Also her Makemake conjunct the Antivertex is similar to having Makemake conjunct Ascendant for Antivertex is an auxilliary ascendant. Makemake is a transneptunian dwarf planet, and so it's equal to Pluto.

Her Venus square Haumea could also indicate her sex appeal,charm.

Haumea is a transneptunian dwarf planet,and so it's equal to Pluto too. It's named after the Hawaiian fertility creation goddess. Therefore, it's a female archetypal energy. It could be involved in feminine charm.

Unmoved has Sun conjunct Haumea with only 1 minute of arc. I'd say that she has a great feminine charm about her.

Marilyn's Mars oppose Ixion can be highly sexual combination. Ixion is a transneptunian dwarf planet that is a plutino,and so her Mars oppose Ixion is like having Mars oppose Pluto.
In mythology, Ixion had a more sexual/lusty theme than Hades/Pluto. He was actually punished for his lust.....heck he thought he could have sex with the supreme goddess. What audacity! It may also indicate her history of sexual abuse, especially considering Ixion is in opposition to her Mars in 8th.

Her Venus conjunct the Heliocentric South Chiron Node could be good for charisma,charm too, but there is pain,wounds in love,relationships,and self worth involved.

one of the things that I don't like about rectification. Many astrologers will look at a chart and go "Damn....this doesn't look right. She has certain aspects missing. She doesn't have certain things in houses"

the thing is that may not be the case at all

because she might have certain aspects and certain things in houses, but they involve objects that haven't been discovered yet.

This could easily be argued in Marilyn Monroe's case.

the same with many other celebrities born before the 21st Century objects were discovered. Princess Diana easily comes to mind with her Sun in 9'39 Cancer conjunct Orcus in 9'17 Cancer in 7th house square Eris in 10'33 Aries in 3rd house. Orcus is a transneptunian dwarf planet planet candidate/plutino, and Eris is a transneptunian dwarf planet. Both objects were discovered in the 21st Century after the death of Princess Diana. Therefore, Princess Diana's personal astrologers had no clue about them while doing astrology readings for her. Also that configuration was tied into collective energy for her Sun conjunct the Geocentric Jupiter Node in 9'59 Cancer,oppose the South Geocentric Jupiter Node in 10'10 Capricorn,conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Jupiter Nodes in 9'30 Cancer/Capricorn.
In Helicoentric chart, Earth in 9'39 Capricorn. Princess Diana was born during a very strong Sun-Earth-Jupiter Node alignment that involve Orcus and Eris.

I just think that rectification is highly questionable.

Vedic Astrologers rectify charts too, and they don't even use transSaturnian objects.

There are Classical,Hellenistic Astrologers that rectify charts,and they don't even use the transSaturnian objects either.

sometimes I think 2 major planets should rule Astrology

Uranus

and

Saturn

both planets rule Aquarius if considering co-rulers

I've seen many astrologers be rigid,not budge,and stick to the old just as I have seen many astrologers change,progress,and be innovative.

Of course, there is the Diversity and Discord in the astrological community, and so I think Eris could be another ruler of Astrology.

Raymond

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posted September 24, 2010 10:05 AM         

Raymond

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posted September 24, 2010 10:37 AM         

Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar, Varuna,and Ixion

Moon in 19'05 Aquarius
trine Geocentric North Makemake Node in 18'13 Gemini
sextile Geocentric South Makemake Node in 18'37 Sagittarius
trine/sextile Makemake Nodes in 18'26 Gemini/Sagittarius

Sun in 10'26 Gemini
conjunct Geocentric North Ixion Node in 10'06 Gemini
oppose Geocentric South Ixion Node in 10'08 Sagittarius
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Ixion Nodes in 10'07 Gemini/Sagittarius

Her Sun was no typical Gemini Sun
not with her Sun being very strongly connect to Ixion energy.
She was actually born during a very strong Sun-Earth-Ixion Node alignment. Her Earth was in 10'26 Sagittarius. Earth in heliocentric chart is always exactly opposite Sun in the geocentric.

Ixion is a lusty,sexual archetype
That could play a big part in sexuality,charisma. She was very strongly connected to the collective Ixion energies that the Geocentric,Heliocentric Ixion Nodes are.

also if you consider her East Point which is an auxilliary Ascendant.....so objects and object nodes to the East Point is like objects and objects nodes to the Ascendant:

East Point in 1'27 Leo
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Haumea Nodes in 0'55 Leo/Aquarius

Haumea is Hawaiian fertility creation Goddess. So a female goddess archetype. As a transneptunian dwarf planet, a powerful one. A collective goddess female,reproductive,sexual energy.
She was strongly connected to collective Haumea energy.

If astrologers approached her chart with ignoring that Pluto's fellow transneptunians exist and the fact that the Moon isn't the only object that has Nodes, there would be no way of knowing that Marilyn Monroe was strong in collective transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate energy

with strong,hard collective connections to a node of transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate object, there can be the potential to be a public figure but involve major evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences that seem even more evolutionary intensified than having strong,hard connections to the transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate objects themselves.

Conjunctions,oppositions,squares to transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate objects,nodes can indicate very difficult life that can involve significant trauma but opportunity for significant spiritual growth. They have to avoid boundary issues. There can be a very fine line between the mystic,psychic,shaman and the schizophrenic,psychotic with people that have hard transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate object,node aspects. It depends on how the person is. Even the soft aspects can be misused.

I think that this especially goes for Sedna and its nodes for Sedna has the greatest average distance,longest orbit of all objects in our solar system. It makes Neptune look mundane. With it being larger than dwarf planet Ceres, it will join the ranks of dwarf planets indeed.

going back to Princess Diana

her Venus in 24'23 Taurus in 5th
square Geocentric South Sedna Node in 23'49 Aquarius
square Geocentric North Sedna Node in 23'14 Leo - 8 minutes past the 1 degree orb that I use.
square Heliocentric Sedna Nodes in 23'41 Leo/Aquarius

so her Venus was strongly connected to collective Sedna energy
her love nature,value systems,relationships strongly connected to collective Sedna themes of higher consciousness, environmental awareness,caretaker for humanity, victimization,abuse,betrayal

All of us know of her as the victim in her marriage with Prince Charles but also her compassion and environmental concerns too.

She obviously had problems with self worth too.
There were also problems with the father
Sedna myth includes father issues.

Princess Diana also had Lunar Nodes in 29'10 Leo/Aquarius stationary direct in 8th/2nd
trine/sextile Sedna in 28'19 Aries in 4th

Raymond

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posted September 24, 2010 11:24 AM         

raymond: if i have asked before sorry, where can one find these heliocentric nodes and the others too? i have some studying to do!

posted September 24, 2010 11:43 AM         

I edited my last post. I included stuff on Princess Diana in regards to Sedna and its nodes.

Use the following link: http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

type in the names of the objects

type in all your birthdata

If you want to calculate Nodes of the objects, check the boxes that say Show North Node and Show South Node.

If you want to calculate the Heliocentric Nodes of the objects, change Geocentric to Heliocentric.

if you want to calculate Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude), check the box, Show RA (as zodiacal).

if you want to calculate Declination (Equatorial Latitude), check the box, Show Declination.

Calculate Right Ascension and Declination for only geocentric chart.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 30, 2010 03:36 AM         

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Aspects:

Dionysus is in Leo
Shakespeare in conjunct my MC in Scorpio
Sun trine Actor
Sun semi-square Shakespeare
Moon sextile Actor
Moon bq Dionysus
Mercury semi-square Dionysus
Venus conjunct Shakespeare
Uranus trine Dionysus
Chiron sextile Dionysus
Actor trine Ascendant

The aspects look positive to me. What do you guys think?

posted October 03, 2010 12:24 AM         

I look at Mars/Jupiter for success because Mars represents energy/drive/force and Jupiter also represents luck as well as greed. If fame or success are what you're after then having these two in good aspect to each other would help. Saturn mixed in can delay what you're after, but in good aspect can make it more lasting and maybe less controversial (I'm still wondering about the controversy part).

Then there's of course the placements of these wonderful planets and their signs. Aquarius, for instance, is lucky and don't you need luck to become famous?

posted October 03, 2010 05:05 AM         

Look at house rulers 1 (self) and 11 (fame) in transit and their aspect to each other. The more important cycle is the slower moving transit planet to the faster moving natal planet.

Libra rising is Venus ruled (1st house ruler) while Leo is Sun ruled (11th ruler)

Forget which is slower or faster from Venus and Sun.

posted October 03, 2010 12:52 PM         

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Unmoved has Sun conjunct Haumea with only 1 minute of arc. I'd say that she has a great feminine charm about her.

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Aaaaawwww {{{{{{hugs}}}}}

Thanks Raymond.

posted October 03, 2010 10:48 PM         

Thank God we have diversity in Astrology.

I can't help think that Eris should be a co-ruler of Astrology.

man..if we have different viewpoints, were either amateurs spouting rubbish or spiritually ignorant people

The more I read stuff like this, the more I want to move away from mainstream Astrology and work with a 21st Century Multidimensional Astrology system.
It makes my decision more easier to make.

Raymond

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posted October 03, 2010 10:55 PM         

I agree 100 percent. I am tired of the same stuff with IQ.

This is the same dude who says that Virgo Rising and Pisces Rising are indicators for homosexuality.

Raymond

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