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bonadea33
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posted October 11, 2010 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the same ASC Libra (as in Natal).

SR Sun in 7th; Sun in 7th in Natal.

SR Mercury is in 7th; Mercury 0 DESC in Natal.

SR Moon 0 MC; Moon 120 MC in Natal.

SR Mercury 60 Mars; Mercury 120 Mars in Natal.

SR Mercury 120 Pluto; Mercury 120 Pluto in Natal.

SR Mercury 180 ASC; Mercury 180 ASC in Natal.

SR Mercury 90 MC; Mercury 90 MC in Natal.

SR Venus 0 Mars; Venus 60 Mars in Natal.

SR Venus 120 Neptune: Venus 120 Neptune in Natal.

SR Mars 180 Pluto; Mars 0 Pluto in Natal.

SR Jupiter 60 Saturn; Jupiter 90 Saturn in Natal.

SR Jupiter 180 Uranus; Jupiter 120 Uranus in Natal.

SR Jupiter 120 NN; Jupiter 120 NN in Natal.

SR Pluto 60 ASC; Pluto 60 ASC in Natal.

On....

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1.Obicham te
2.Seni seviyorumi
3.Ya tebya kahayu
4.Te sakam
5.Eu amo-te
6.Taim i' ngra leat
7.Szeretlek te'ged
8.Ta gra agam ort
9.S'agapo
10.Jag a Iskar dig

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bonadea33
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posted October 11, 2010 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was in Spain five weeks, from July until end August 2004 (9th house in Gemini, ruler Mercury very active).
In Spain they thought I will stay there and gave me all:
Spanish lessons,
Place to sleep and food,
Internet,
Health insurance and so on...

They told me, I could get the job, after my Spanish would be better. I didn't get the job, as my Moon, ruler of 10th in 10th had only hard aspects. I had to go back, here.

When I look the SR, there is ruler of 4th, Saturn in 9th (abroad), in Cancer (water). It was big city beside the sea side. Neptune in 4th means also, like the home beside the water.

Here is something else important: my SR Sun in 7th. I met Spanish blond man in Botanic garden, born in sign of Leo. Bad thing was I had bloody feet’s because of walking long time with brand new sandals. After that my feet’s looked like killed chicken. I have visited female doctor, she gave me bandage and it looked like some kind of shoes.
My new Leo wanted me to go with him to buy me some slippers, so I can walk properly. I didn't want. He has invited me to the lunch; I didn't go either.
Here is he shown by Sun (Leo) in 7th trine Jupiter (stranger) in 11th. As the Sun wasn't just on the line of DESC, it was nothing from all them. He found me in the moment, I had full head of problems and beside that and I wasn't ready for any communication.
Here is also Juno on IC in hard aspects and Juno is like some kind of partner.

On.....

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1.Obicham te
2.Seni seviyorumi
3.Ya tebya kahayu
4.Te sakam
5.Eu amo-te
6.Taim i' ngra leat
7.Szeretlek te'ged
8.Ta gra agam ort
9.S'agapo
10.Jag a Iskar dig

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bonadea33
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posted October 12, 2010 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will finish here.

Nobody cares about Solar Return. For me SR is much more important than thousand Asteroids.
My wish was only to show how SR works.

2005, I have sent this Solar Return to two American female Astrologers and have asked them, why so good SR didn't work (there happened much more than only Spain)?
They told me, my all angles are hard aspected, what is very important by Solar Return. They also told me, I have talent for SR and should study more about them.
2004 and 2005 were Astrologers, very helpful (over Internet) and they gave me more advices about me and my life.
Today is all different: I see that I don't belong to this group.

I see now why only good Medical Astrologers understand my all situation. Only they know why all my opportunities in the life have failed.

Some fortune-tellers told me, I have all screwed up: I could be very rich and happy, but I did mistake after mistake. They don't know where the point is and why all happened so as it happened.

Bobbie

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visions
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posted October 12, 2010 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for visions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi bonadea i love sr charts too,

i cumulate a lots of t-quare sinnce my 25 yo and plus the saturn return didnt' help me so much i wonder how much time i have to expect to be relieve from all the pain and sorrow in my life

last year was the worst year of my life so far, yet here is my current sr chart who is difficult too...

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Bonadea, can you help mo to see clear in my sr chart please

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bonadea33
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posted October 13, 2010 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi,

First I have to see your Natal Chart.

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bonadea33
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posted October 13, 2010 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not yet specialist to explain other people SR. I do explain my Solar Return, so other people can see that.

I will say only that:

There must be some change in your personal life,
I see also some money from somebody,
Change of profession (progressive Moon has changed the sign),
You have to move to abroad or you did already relocated (Natal Chart shows life in abroad),
Your Natal Chart shows work in connection with abroad and here is ruler of 10th, Jupiter in the 1st.

There is already more than half a year of your SR. Maybe you want to control me?

Bobbie

P.s. Now, I have to study more Solar Return because I don't want to lie.

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1.Obicham te
2.Seni seviyorumi
3.Ya tebya kahayu
4.Te sakam
5.Eu amo-te
6.Taim i' ngra leat
7.Szeretlek te'ged
8.Ta gra agam ort
9.S'agapo
10.Jag a Iskar dig

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bonadea33
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posted October 13, 2010 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is your Natal Chart:

Now, I have to go and come later.

B.

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1.Obicham te
2.Seni seviyorumi
3.Ya tebya kahayu
4.Te sakam
5.Eu amo-te
6.Taim i' ngra leat
7.Szeretlek te'ged
8.Ta gra agam ort
9.S'agapo
10.Jag a Iskar dig

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ariescancer
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posted October 13, 2010 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bonadea, I believe in SR but sometimes it is very hard to undertand.

In the year 2007, I had a cancer in my kidney, witch the doctors remove, no matter how I looked to the SR I can't see it.

The ruler of the As was Ok, the ruler of the 6th Pluto was ok.

Ok, maybe this is it I had Jupiter in the 6th square Uranus. Maybe because of Jupiter there I was OK.

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visions
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posted October 13, 2010 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for visions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello bonadea,

i don't test you and you are right in many departments of my life,

i have resigned from my last job because i wanted to change, this year i earn money through welfare state, and i live deep transformation inside me, lot of headache (sr mars in the 6th + uranus transit my natal mercury), i would like to go abroad but i am always on my natal country yet.

The T-square in the sr chart just make me afraid but averyone in my country live this t square because heavy planet was involved, personal planet seems more accurate to look but the netpune on the ascendant is curious too, with venus retrograde i expect past lovers of friend coming back again in my life, the SR venus trine pluto in the 11th mean maybe a financial renew or love renew ? the transit from saturn in opposition to my sun hit me hard until the 22 october !

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alanabelle86
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posted October 13, 2010 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For 2009,

My solar return AC was at 9' Leo, conjunct my natal Moon (ruler of natal 8th house) at 10' Leo in the 8th house.

The SR Moon was at 4' Aquarius exactly opposite Mars in 12th at 4' Leo.

I was born with natal Moon-Mars opposition (Moon in Leo- Mars in Aquarius) 0'12 of exact. The natal opposition sits in my 2nd-8th houses.

My grandmother passed away this year. I got hired at a fantastic job straight out of college. I finally moved out of my parent's house.

The SR Sun was in the 4th house. The SR MC was at 27' Aries. When my grandmother passed, the transiting Sun was on my natal MC, natal part of Cancer (grandmother died from liver cancer) and the Moon at the moment she passed was exactly conjunct the SR MC at 27' Aries.

I'd say it was pretty significant.

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bonadea33
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posted October 14, 2010 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi visions,

Sorry for all bad, what happened in your life.

Here are two your Charts:

1. Solar Return for 2011/12:

2. Natal Chart + SP + T

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1.Obicham te
2.Seni seviyorumi
3.Ya tebya kahayu
4.Te sakam
5.Eu amo-te
6.Taim i' ngra leat
7.Szeretlek te'ged
8.Ta gra agam ort
9.S'agapo
10.Jag a Iskar dig

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bonadea33
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posted October 14, 2010 04:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, Neptune is transiting your 6th house. Even if Neptune has nothing to do with your 6th (illness) it can influence your life on that area.
Neptune is not good for your relationships: Neptune rules 7th house and has square with Mars in 7th. That is bad combination. I see here that you suffer because of your partnership. Maybe you won't tell it here?

Good is here that you have Mercury and the Sun in the 7th (together 3 planets in 7th). With all them you won't be alone. If one relationship (or marriage) breaks, it will come another one.

Your Venus in 6th without aspects: I have seen only one Venus in 6th (Virgo), alone and even retrograde. The man with such a Venus doesn't suffer too much.
What your Venus in 6th means to you? I will never understand unaspected planets.

Ruler of your ASC, Mercury in 7th means, that most important area of your life is just 7th, house of relationship or partnership.

For me, you have better Natal Chart than many other people.
There are well aspected: the Sun, the Moon, Mercury, Jupiter, Uranus and Pluto. Not many people have it.

B.

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bonadea33
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posted October 14, 2010 04:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your SR for the year 2011/12:

SR ASC falls in your Natal 10th house. Ruler of your ASC, the Moon is in the 9th (like in Natal Chart). For me that means, you are going to get some job, where you will travel a lot. It can happen also job in abroad.
Most of the things will happen just on the area of 9th and 10th house (the Sun in 10th).
Pluto conjunct DESC can be some transformation on area of partnership. Pluto has sextile with Venus in 9th (conjunct MC - very important): it can happen something in area of love with someone from abroad.

If your time of birth is the right one, with Pluto in 2nd and good aspects, you will be rich, one day.

Wish you good luck,
Bobbie

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1.Obicham te
2.Seni seviyorumi
3.Ya tebya kahayu
4.Te sakam
5.Eu amo-te
6.Taim i' ngra leat
7.Szeretlek te'ged
8.Ta gra agam ort
9.S'agapo
10.Jag a Iskar dig

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bonadea33
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posted October 14, 2010 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@ariescancer,

Did you look your 8th house, house of surgery? Did you look the ruler of 8th and where was the planet? What aspects had the ruler?

Beside that, where your SR ASC was in Natal Chart, what house? All is important.

I like Medical Astrology and like to see that Solar Return.

Bobbie

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posted October 14, 2010 04:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@alanabelle86,

Sorry for loss of your grandmother.
I see that you can explain your SR.
I must say that some Solar Returns say nothing. It means there will be boring SR year.

Bobbie

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posted October 14, 2010 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Solar Return, 2010/11:

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posted October 14, 2010 05:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What happened until now:

Nothing special until July 30th, when I have got mouth ulcer and later burnt tongue. I had therapy for that by ENT doctor, about 1,5 month. I have finished one therapy and went to other one.
I still have burnt tongue.

Therapy should be 10th house: ruler of 10th, Saturn in 6th, house of sickness. It looks like I have more pains than before. Saturn in 6th I had first time, when my pains have started.

12th house, other house of sickness has Neptune, ruler of 12th. There is no good aspect at all. My natal Neptune is also in 12th.
My doctor is my 7th house: ruler Venus is in 2nd. Venus has trine with Saturn in 6th: maybe some other female doctor will help me?

My SR ASC falls in Natal 7th. Ruler is Mars in 5th (?) in trine with ASC. That is good.
My SR MC falls in Natal 3rd house, ruler Saturn in 6th (again).

Repeating aspects (SR - Natal):

SR Sun 90 SR Mars; Natal Sun 90 Natal Mars.
SR Sun 120 SR Pluto; Natal Sun 90 Natal Pluto = it looks good!

SR Moon 180 ASC; Natal Moon 150 ASC.

SR Mercury 90 SR Mars; Natal Mercury 120 Mars.
SR Mercury 120 Pluto; Natal Mercury 120 Natal Pluto = it looks good!
SR Mercury 120 SR MC; Natal Mercury 90 Natal MC.

SR Venus 90 SR Neptune; Natal Venus 120 Natal Neptune = too bad!

SR Jupiter 180 SR Saturn; Natal Jupiter 90 Natal Saturn = too bad!
SR Jupiter 0 SR Uranus; Natal Jupiter 120 Natal Uranus. Not good, because both planets are in 12th house.

That is all.

The best here in my SR is connection from the Sun and Mercury with Pluto.

Bobbie

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posted October 14, 2010 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for visions     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bonadea you are awesome !

i love your reading ! You say my chart got some nice aspect, and i love particularly my uranus in the 3rd, everyday i wake up and i say to myself oh my god i have uranus in the third !However, i think i have a venus opposition to saturn but with your tight orb, i don't have this aspect indeed and i have rediscover myself by reading the unaspected venus description and probably the next sr chart 2011/2012 will reveal some of my artitistic talent and sensual flavor !

thanks bonadea, i don't know if i am going abroad but i keep you updated if i got some news, new direction in my life !

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posted October 15, 2010 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi visions,

You are right: there is Venus opposition Saturn.
About your Saturn Return: Saturn in 12th is not the best place for Saturn Return.

Something good in your Chart:

You have three Quintiles:

Venus Quintile Moon
Venus Quintile Neptune (it is good because Neptune rules your Venus)
Saturn Quintile Uranus

About Quintiles:
"Quintile means power, compulsion, obsession and drive. The person is often unaware that they are behaving compulsively they keep on acting out certain tendencies. The planets involved in the Quintile aspect often describe personal talents and qualities for which we become known."

I was in the Forum, where was enough about some genius people they have and had enough Quintiles in their Natal Chart.

Here is link about Quintiles and BiQuintiles:
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quintile_biquintile.html -

(they should share it, because those both minor aspects are different).

Bonne chance a toi!

Bobbie

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1.Obicham te
2.Seni seviyorumi
3.Ya tebya kahayu
4.Te sakam
5.Eu amo-te
6.Taim i' ngra leat
7.Szeretlek te'ged
8.Ta gra agam ort
9.S'agapo
10.Jag a Iskar dig

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posted October 15, 2010 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could someone please post my solar return for me? I can't open the editing software without my computer restarting on me.

My details:
14th April 1975
Hillingdon, England (I use Ruislip at astro.com)
8:40pm
Current place: Manchester, OH (Summit County)

Thank you. The only things I can remember are Mars in the 7th, square Mercury/Venus in the 3rd, and I think Sun/Moon in the 2nd? Or was it the 3rd and 4th?

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bonadea33
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posted October 15, 2010 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tease1,

I can't find your Hillingdon in England. They are all in USA.

Have you some bigger city in UK?

Bobbie

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posted October 15, 2010 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I use Ruislip, on astro.com.

Thank you, bonadea.

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posted October 15, 2010 03:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
teasel,

Your Natal Chart:

Your Solar Return 2010/11:

What happened in your SR 3rd house?

If I had SR Venus close to IC, I would relocate with somebody.

B.

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posted October 15, 2010 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Solar Return concept is intriguing, but I've yet to find a convincing way to read it.

Is it read as a stand alone chart? Or is it referenced to the natal chart? Solar chart even.

One thing I remember reading is that the Sun tends to travel a triplicity for a number of years. Eg. It will go from the 1st house in year 1, to the 10 house in year 2, and round until it changes to the fixed houses. IMO, this implies that SRs are linked, and can't be looked at as isolated yearly events.

As of 2008 my SRs have been "transiting" the Cardinal houses. 10th house in 2008, 7th house in 2009, and 4th house this year.

The Virgo rising in me asserts that any delineation of the Solar Return should start with attention to this path of the Sun. What is the significance of the Sun in the Cardinal houses?? What is the implication of SR Sun in the 4th house, and what did it bring from the 7th and the 10th in the previous two years.

From here I would speculate, if using house rulerships, you might want to look at natural ruler of the 4th house, or perhaps Natal or even Solar ruler of the 4th house. Then go from there.

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posted October 16, 2010 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
edit. i'll post in a bit less later...

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