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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 23, 2010 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so I've dated a good number of men in the short time I've been on this Earth, but this is the one person who has gotten under my skin and completely changed who I was as a person after I decided we should stay away from each other (an even longer story right there). For a long time, I figured I was the only one who felt that way in both the friendship/relationship (and it makes sense, given both his Venus/Moon fall directly on my IC), however, I noticed I had the same effect in a very subtle way that both mine and his friends would comment on in private to me.

I swear to God, it's straight out of some mystical romance with him, even when I think about it in my more calm, objective moments, being removed from the situation for a little over a year. We have been estranged since that period I just mentioned, but we've had the most chance meetings and everytime it's like we're seeing each other for the first time. We're both inclined to never be committed to other people, but it changes once we re-enter each others lives. It's truly bizarre, and I wouldn't be posting here if this wasn't something that really got under my skin - which it has, for the past 4 years, despite occupying myself with other people (we officially broke up in 2008 but were initially good friends in 2006).

What do you think of this synastry chart? Be as brutally honest as you want! And thank you.

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raspberri
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posted November 23, 2010 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What catches my eye about this chart, first is the destinn conjunct Psyche, conjunct Moon and both of your NN.

Also, the houses, whoever is outside is intensely and lovingly, sexually activating a very karmic side to the person on the inside.

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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 23, 2010 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my God, I can't believe I forgot to mention who was on the outside, lmao. He is! I'm on the inside. He was extremely tender to me, which is very out of his romantic nature when he gets women, he tends to be fairly careless and casual with them. In a good natured way, of course. He's a big softy deep down inside, but it's not something the average person picks up on.

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posted November 23, 2010 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It does look like a very emotional and magical connection with the water trines.

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Lara
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posted November 23, 2010 05:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Emotional and magical Rasperri? You sure? with a mars/pluto/chiron grand trine?

JFK, your moon and venus on his IC and his PF on yours is lovely. Your sun is cj his valentine but his sun doesn't seem to make many aspects - so hard to tell because you clicked on ALL the lines to be shown in the chart

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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 23, 2010 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is pretty magical, in it's own right, but very transformative too in the best of ways. We have our spats but always seem to respect the others opinion, which is admittedly rare for us to do in life. There is also DEFINITELY a psychic connection that I have yet to experience with anyone else expect for one other person, but it's at such a lesser extent than with this person. Sometimes he'll be talking and I'll have these faint visions come into my mind, and I'll say them out loud to add to the point he's trying to make and he'll be completely stunned that I was able to "go there". This happens all the time when we have a conversation. It's kind of ruined dating other guys for me, even though I know I should be dating other people, and I don't want it to ruin the experience.. but I can't help but feel like I'm wasting my time unless it's with him because we just run so deep.

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Lara
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posted November 23, 2010 05:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah well your moon is on his IC
hence psychic connection. My IC is on my mans moon and same deal.

I don't think the GT is what is doing all the magical stuff though - mars and pluto in with chiron is not so easy and potentially very hurtful or pain through a harsh lesson. His mars is in your 1st which is quite dominating and his AC in your 7th with yours in his 6th.

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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 23, 2010 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually Lara, he's on the outside! lol I can't believe I failed to mention that in the original post. There definitely were two major lessons to be learned that nearly and then pretty much destroyed the relationship/friendship, which consisted of his arrogance getting the better of him and me later finding out through other people certain things that he implied. The second time it happened in 2008 I made a point to never talk to him ever again, chalking it up to an unhealthy relationship. It was actually a really beautiful relationship/kinship, the fact of the matter was that we just couldn't be friends. We were beforehand and we tried again afterwards, but deeper things were just always at work. I have seen him around a few times, and he has definitely made steps to try in be in my life again, but was happened was just so mean. It really hurt me because he genuinely was so soft and open hearted with me. Society programs men in such a harsh way when they're with their buddies, though. I don't know, it's definitely not and wasn't a co-dependent relationship, so I don't feel too crazy in having this person still occupy my mind the way he does, if that makes sense.. although everyone else in my life seems to think so.

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted November 23, 2010 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a strong purpose to this relationship. You're right to make sure that you connect with other men and not to stick with this guy as a "husband" type of committment, this is bigger than that. Yes, you will both always feel at home with one another and there's a reason for that. You'll need to check in with each other from time to time in order to accomplish some kind of task that runs through your entire lives. It's political in nature, thus, when you check in with each other you need to feel the ultimate love and trust in order to get whatever this task is-done.

There's a built in "break-up" aspect in the middle of all of this magical love. It's supposed to be there, but it's not supposed to be the brutal "heartbreak" type of break up, it's to make sure that you both go back to "normal" life and other families, etc. Then check in with each other.

The break up aspect is your Uranus conjunct his Saturn. It's like a cosmic alarm clock that tells you, "Ok, pass the information to each other, spend a few hours or days or weeks with each other, than have the discipline to walk away to get the job done separately." It's almost like life time spies or something, like an Angelina Jolie movie or something.

Don't be sad or angry when you leave each other because you'll come back together again when the universe says it's time. You probably won't have to wait that long either. I like this synastry, it's like what the Blues Brothers say, "We'll never get caught, we're on a mission from God."

So, get yourself some dark glasses and a hipster blues hat for yourself and him, and have some B.B. King music and Aretha Franklin when you both meet up for your information exchange liaisons.

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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 23, 2010 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know.. initially, that sounded a little depressing.. but God, it is so true. So, so true. He is the only person I trust to take both my mind and my emotions and help me sort them out in a proactive way, and vice versa. We're both extremely private otherwise. Then we take one anothers advice from that moment on and become better people for it. He's like this older brother/The One kind of hybrid. It's fascinating, and so true how the universe always has a way of throwing each other back into one anothers lives without any warning or effort on our parts. Do you think at some point.. there actually could be a way to have a conventional relationship once the grind of being in our 20s comes to a calming end?

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posted November 23, 2010 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My suggestion is to think larger than conventional committment. I know that's a difficult concept to appreciate when you're in your 20's because most of your life you've been conditioned to strongly focus on traditional committment as a goal. I believe that this relationship can be better than that.

For example, what if you are both captains of galaxy class ships in a Star Trek kind of manner. You wouldn't want to deprive him of this very specific life assignment and it's the same for you. But the one thing you both have in common is that you are truly "The Bad-A$$es of Space Exploration". He gathers information from the Beta-quadrant and you gather info from the Delta-quadrant. After several weeks or months or even years, you're both called back to Federation Space for special meetings of the Captains, but you both have missions to accomplish in your own way. You come together to exchange information about your Galaxy-Class ships, warp-speed variations, wormhole mappings and sitings and very important information on how to avoid The Borg, because "resistance is futile."

That's just an example, your adventures are probably more spiritual in nature, and maybe perhaps when you are both promoted to being Admirals in your 50's and forced to retire as Captains. But you'll both want to rebel and hijack 2 Galaxy Class ships again because adventure is in your blood...and you understand each other's needs, to be explorers, loners, rebels...Pee Wee Herman, if I may.

You may need to mature a little bit more to understand that you are a new generation and relationships are not exactly the same as when our parents were younger, even my own parents generation. I'm about 20 years older than you so my parents were married shortly before the sexual revolution, but divorced in 1980 because they were really so different.

But that's a whole other storybook.

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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 24, 2010 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Valentine, that was one of the most interesting analogies I've heard in a long time - I love it, lol. We both are 'explorers' in our own right, and I agree with your paraphrasing of Mr. PeeWee Herman, as well. I would say that my Aquarius moon and my Pluto opposition Sun are the two most defining aspects of my natal chart towards my nature - which would inherently make for a highly "unemotional" on the surface kind of person. And I am. But I don't know if I'll ever be able to rid myself of the idealization of monogamy.. you know? I'll have casual relationships and that's perfectly fine because I don't value the person in an overly deep way, but it is different with this guy. I grew up with a mother constantly switching boyfriends, so I have an ideal for marriage far off in the back of my mind. I can tell he does, too, also far off in his mind. His parents have stayed happily married for what feels like a billion years already, so he has those romantic foundations.

I feel like I'm just rambling at this point, but I don't know. It feels too "sacred" to chalk this one up to the other unconventional relationships I've had. Maybe I do need to mature a little more.

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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted November 24, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I did go a little overboard on the crushing of idealism and monogamy, oops. Sorry about that. Here's the thing about astrology or any kind of prognostication art, you still create your own reality so if that's what you want to aim for with this gentleman, just remember that the energy for it might be a bit strained or difficult, but if you want it then go for it.

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posted November 24, 2010 07:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't 'see' the chart properly so I kind of take a step back and this is my short impression:

It is a great relationship: you are so exciting to him; and he exemplifies some kind of image that you hold re: men and an image of your father to do with their very similar responses; ways of saying things; reacting; and humour.

It won't fit any established mold though - it is a unique entity; the relationship is like the love child of your two personalities. I see him as the feminine force and you are exhibiting the masculine energies - this is part of the confusion. He has taken a step back so that you shine - he doesn't want to quash the beautiful display of energy that you exude.

I would suggest living together - you will sort it out. You don't always give your masculine energy its head - at home you unleash your much protected and delicious to him - female energy and ways of going about your home space.

Congratulations, you two are a living example of not all fairy tales are nothing but a dream - you two can live the fairy tale dream!

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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 25, 2010 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chryseis, I sincerely mean it when I say that was the most beautiful assessment of our relationship I've ever read. Every one I know in life that knew us has been really cynical about the whole thing and can't comprehend the mysticism behind it - and I try the best I can to be rational to the point where the 'magic' kind of dissipates. But what you wrote really inspired me to talk to him again, and for that I thank you.

I think my last biggest question left in my mind is, what determines his respect for me in this synastry chart? Because sometimes I feel such a grand veneration from him, and other times I get the vibe that he couldn't think less of me as a person, and it's very jarring.

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JohnFKennedy
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posted November 27, 2010 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, I'm a little unclear on what my PoF on his IC and his Sun conjunct my Valentine exactly means..

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JohnFKennedy
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posted December 02, 2010 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone? lol I'm sorry to be obnoxious, but I'm just curious

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