posted December 15, 2010 12:05 PM            

Good book about Pluto aspects to the Moon~

posted December 16, 2010 05:41 AM            

It is violent aspect but again depends, where this aspect is.

B.

posted December 16, 2010 07:01 AM            

My mother has gemini moon square pisces mars with a wide orb and an Aries sun. She is a volcano. She can erupt at any second. She did get violent when I was younger, and would regularly get physically abusive and throw things etc. She couldn't control herself. Even with age, she still has a very difficult time controlling her outbursts, but at least I am rarely there as target practice

posted December 16, 2010 07:21 AM            

No worries, I can do that:

Sun - Libra 3'32
Moon - Virgo 16'50
Mercury - Libra 29'25
Venus - Scorpio 16'00
Mars - Leo 15'25
Jupiter - Libra 16'58
Saturn - Libra 11'41
Uranus - Scorpio 27'14
Neptune - Saggitarius 22'14
Pluto - Libra 23'26
North Node - Cancer 29'47
Chiron - Taurus 22'25

Ascendant - Leo 4'24

How does that fit and what is your theory?

Amph

posted December 16, 2010 07:58 AM            

I have two sisters. One of them has a Mars/Moon trine. Me a Mars/Moon square.
The other sister has no Mars/Moon and I asked her once how she experienced both of us (not related to this aspect) and she said that we're both very *heavy* but that she's more afraid of me than of my Mars/Moon-trine sister because of my sudden unpredictable monumental volcanic eruptions.. I was a little shocked when she told me this because I assumed something else..

When I hear of this aspect I must always think of Jack Bauer (Kiefer Sutherland) from 24. Is it a coincidence that he got that role with his Mars/Moon square? I don't think so..

posted December 16, 2010 08:34 AM            

Your Merc trines my Sun
Mars trines my ASC
Saturn trines my Venus
Pluto trine my Merc

How cool is that

My sub theory is that people's planets touching your ASC is very important ,too.
I am just trying to sense that one.
Two people with whom I relate very well have their Pluto's right on my ASC.
One is a female.One is a male.
I seem to be needing Pluto from people.
With the female, MY Mercury is on her ASC.
I seem to help feed her belief in her mind and ideas.
She gives me the Pluto push like "You can do it" lol
Hmmm--never paid much attention to how these fit with the ASC ,before

Thanks for sharing your info,Amph!!!!!

posted December 16, 2010 08:42 AM            

She have her moon in beginning of libra in square to her mars in capricorn. Her moon in trine midpoint to my moon 6 gemini and jupiter 23 taurus. Her mars in conj to my S.N and in opp to my mars.
My venus/N.N/mars square her moon in libra.

I felt sometimes that she was very strong, rigorous and authoritarian. More than my mother. She was always strict but fair. She are still a person like that. I can talk to her. She always listening and I've never heard her judge anyone. She always stop when people are stupid to someone. She always stands by the children who need some authoritarian adult.

My moon/jupiter could put her out. I've not any problem to put out her sense of humour. Her venus trine my moon and my Sun/AC conj her uranus almost exactly.

posted December 16, 2010 09:01 AM            

Thanks for sharing your theory, it's interesting. A few happy merc aspects there

I agree with you about ascendant contacts being important. I like it alot when I have somebody's sun aspect my ascendant. I really feel understood.

And also when my chart ruler (sun) aspects another person's pluto. Just enough intrigue and intensity for my liking. I can't seem to get enough of these people.

Oh, and I really like when another person's Jupiter trines my chart ruler. It just feels happy and fun.

I like happy and fun

posted December 24, 2010 02:21 AM            

Anyway, I dont have a Moon-Mars aspect myself. I do have Moon opposite Pluto (and Saturn), but I have Mars in Cancer and I was reading the description for Moon-Mars aspects from this site and it seemed very much like Mars in Cancer.
http://astrofix.net/2010/06/20/moon-mars-brainstorm/

posted December 24, 2010 06:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

Both Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahondas Gandhi had Moon square Mars. They both had t-squares involving Moon square Mars. They were both very passionate people, but they practiced nonviolence. Their lives ended from violence though.

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quote:

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Originally posted by bonadea33:
In one Forum, very young Astrologer (also, very good) wrote that women with:
Moon square Mars
like wild sex (from his own experiences).

It is violent aspect but again depends, where this aspect is.

B.

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posted December 24, 2010 05:31 PM            

Here it is:

Moon - Mars quoting Sue Tompkins - Aspects in Astrology.

quote:

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Fierce protection. Quick nurturing response. Sensitivity to discord. Angry feelings. Emotional conflict. Sexual feelers.

Rather like Sun—Mars, those with hard aspects between the Moon and Mars have a very strong need to 'do', to act, to roll up their sleeves and get on with the project in hand. Commonly there is much activity around the domestic scene, and the home is often not so much a place to retreat from where the individual may recharge their batteries, as the reason for those batteries getting run down in the first place. Typically, there are lots of comings and goings and snatched meals. The individual may find this exhilarating or exhausting depending upon the nature of the aspect, the overall feel of the chart and the condition of the 4th house in particular.

Usually there is plenty of emotional action in the individual's life, together with internal emotional conflict. Often the individual finds it difficult to integrate their need to take one course of action in order to feed one emotional need whilst having to take a different course of action in order to feed some different, seemingly conflicting emotional need. For example, safety, home, familiarity versus independence and sexual excitement. Sometimes there is emotional action in the life, as in arguments and plates flying around. Frequently though, the individual will have come from such an atmosphere and may take pains not to repeat it. All Moon—Mars contacts give rise to people who are very sensitive to any kind of conflict as well as any kind of threat.

Although Moon—Mars combinations may be associated with 'touchy' behaviour and sometimes a tendency to fly off the handle very easily, people with the hard aspects especially, often find it difficult to express their anger. Whilst this may result in them going overboard in attempting to make their position abundantly clear, it may also sometimes result in the individual being unable to express their anger, perhaps through fear of the consequences. The fixed signs are especially prone to hold on to their rage and then just letting rip every once in a while, whilst the mutable signs tend to express their anger through irritability and carping behaviour.

Some Moon—Mars people speak of an early home life (and this is especially the case with the opposition, I have found) where the parents or other family figures 'never argued' but nevertheless were extremely angry with each other. Typically the Moon—Mars child would have picked up on all the unexpressed rage and, like a sponge, absorbed it.

Charles Carter describes the Moon—Mars type as usually kind-hearted, sympathetic and keen to help. Certainly people with this combination are nearly always very protective.

Basically, people with these contacts have to integrate their need to assert themselves with their need to feel safe. On the whole the Moon-Mars person is a very good individual to have on your side, for they will seek to take care of you. With the hard aspects though, the individual may sometimes act like a mother whose children are about to be snatched away from her or accused of something. The problem with the hard aspects especially is, as always, the possibility of going too far and in this case, jumping in too quick. The Moon—Mars type may jump in and fight your battles, well before you even realised you were at war.

Basically, the feelings of this type are very easily and very quickly aroused. The person is usually used to feeling unsafe and is very quick to smell danger and thus cultivates speedy reactions and responses — the kind of reactions that sometimes save lives. Like Sun—Mars, Moon—Mars may be courageous, enterprising and fearless. To feel is to act for Moon—Mars. The problem may be that they react out of habit, and out of habit they may expect conflict. It can take those with the hard aspects a long time to realise that they and their loved ones are not continually under threat and that there is no reason to believe or behave as if World War III is about to break out at any moment, or that it might do so if one makes the wrong response. Sometimes, because the type is so frightened of conflict they can go too far in rushing to the defence, so it may well be a Moon—Mars person who ends up firing the first shot.

The need to protect the self and more especially one's family and others with whom there is an emotional bond is usually keenly developed with all aspects. Not uncommonly, the family were threatened in some way in childhood, if not by anger or violence within the household, then by some threat from outside.

As has been said, frequently those with these contacts came from highly volatile families where the mother-figure especially might be expected to explode at any moment.

One man with the opposition in his chart described to me how threatened he still often feels when confronted with what he sees as very assertive women. He found his own mother to be very explosive, whilst the father was very passive and seemingly unable to express his anger in any direct kind of way. Apparently his mother was the kind of person to make scenes in restaurants and pick fights with his schoolteachers. He describes himself now as 'very sensitive to discord' and 'reluctant to break any kind of emotional atmosphere'. A key phrase for this combination might well be 'fiercely protective' and as well as saying something about the individual it will often be describing the mother-figure in an exaggerated and caricatured way. I have known cases where the mother was so pushy and lived so much in expectation of some danger befalling her offspring that she went everywhere with the child. Sometimes she competes with the child and thus on another level unconsciously wants something awful to happen to the child (it works both ways of course: Moon—Mars people often fantasise about shooting their mother!).

Returning to this idea of Mum going everywhere, in one case I know of, she even went on the honeymoon. And this is interesting too because there is often a strong sexual tie with the mother-figure and early emotional bonding often has unusually strong sexual overtones.

Often the mother-figure competes with the child (generally or in sexual matters) or with others and sometimes Moon—Mars people have the same kind of conflict with competing that they have with anger, either being over-competitive or frightened of seeming so.

I associate abortion, miscarriage and premature birth with Moon—Mars contacts and sometimes the conjunction, especially if it falls in or rules the 5th house. It's as if the nurturing impulse is too quick, too sharp to go the full term. This quick but truncated nurturing response is usually what the Moon—Mars type is raised on, as if the bottle is always about to be taken away from the baby before it's finished feeding. Little wonder that in extreme cases the Moon—Mars type often behaves like an enraged infant screaming for its food. It is often issues around food and feeding that arouse anger with these aspects.

The hard aspects particularly with these planets can be associated with digestive upsets and stomach ulcers. This can sometimes be traced to the fact that the person eats when they are angry or eats to keep down angry feelings. And early feeding was often itself carried out by an angry and frustrated mother-figure or at least a mother who was always doing something. Sometimes she pursued a sexual relationship outside the marriage so that the child feels that they have to compete with this third figure for her attention.

Sometimes the individual with these aspects is born to a very young mother, and again one might think of the Moon—Mars of the woman who gives birth very quickly and also of the image of a very sexual mother.

Inevitably issues of anger and mother go together with these contacts either in that the individual is angry with their mother (almost inevitable or that the mother was perceived as an angry person (often) or that the Moon—Mars person gets angry on her behalf. Those with the conjunction are usually able to recognise themselves as angry and often as angry with their mother, whilst those with the opposition aspect usually spend some time believing that it is other people who are angry and other people who are responsible for discord.

The anger of the Moon—Mars person, like their sexuality, is often smouldering and broody. Rather like one of these dragons in childhood books, where the dragon is really rather a sympathetic character but breathes steam through his nostrils.

The Moon—Mars type will as often be found fighting on behalf of their roots and their past as fighting to get away from those roots. In cases of marital break-up there is often heated debate about property. The individual will often find themselves fighting for their security in different ways in their lives and fighting over the marital home is just one example of how this may become embodied. Fate sometimes seems to ensure that Moon—Mars people are not allowed to feel too physically safe in order that they be forced to discover what really constitutes safety or lack of it on emotional levels.

People with these contacts usually settle down and have a family quite early on in their lives. Often there is a feeling that there will be no time later on to do those things and that there may be no potential partners around to do them with. Basically, the person is often impatient for a home and a family.

Moon—Mars hard aspect types sometimes overeat or over-drink and occasionally may be overweight, if the configuration falls in appropriate signs. Frequently, on many emotional and often physical levels the child was not fed properly and was perhaps weaned too quickly in childhood. Sometimes there was competition for the mother's attention and sometimes actual competing for food. In any event, people with extreme Moon—Mars issues may eat as if they are in a race or as if the meal is going to be snatched away from them at any moment. Being overweight can also often be seen as a way of protecting the self, for the Moon—Mars person often feels unprotected. The vulnerable and fragile individual seeks to protect themselves behind an armour-plating of fat. There is also an impulsiveness about eating with Moon—Mars and indeed an impulsiveness about all forms of nurturance, whether of the self or others. I suspect that those with Moon—Mars hard contacts may often drink and eat out of the need for 'Dutch courage'.

One of the great virtues of Moon—Mars is that the individual with these contacts will usually be honest and direct about expressing their feelings (although some with the hard aspects may be just too direct for others' comfort). Usually there is a strong need to make the feelings clear with a corresponding dislike of emotional ambiguity. This combination can be associated with emotional courage.

People with these contacts usually have an instinctual feeling for sexual response and they can also be quite direct about sexual matters. Men especially, though, sometimes exude a sullen, moody, resentful, smouldering kind of sexuality with these contacts and yet manage to be baby-faced at the same time. An obvious example of this can be found in the chart of Marion Brando, who has a Sun—Moon—Mars—Pluto T-square which also involves the Moon and Mars signs Cancer and Aries. Sometimes Moon—Mars is not merely baby-faced, but in behaviour seems rather demanding in the way that a baby is, and again I think this can often be traced to issues around the mother putting out sexual feelers to the infant child.

The Moon—Mars combination is a splendid one for active involvement in decorating, carpentry, interior design and all other 'Do-it-Yourself projects. I often suggest to Moon—Mars people who feel that they have a lot of anger they don't know how to channel, to do something physical around the house — knock down a wall or paint the ceiling or something. This is also an ideal mix for work in the catering trade and for other vocations where the individual is actively involved with nurturing others; or where they can legitimately give vent to angry feelings, as might a radical politician or a hellfire preacher.

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posted December 25, 2010 06:37 AM            

How Mir described her experiences with that aspect and how everyone perceives, I have to agree 100%. The "sudden unpredictable monumental volcanic eruptions" have had many people terrified.

However, other aspects and placements counterbalance it, thank god.

*edit*
I just read that article and it basically describes my entire childhood and early adulthood.

- born to a young mother who felt trapped by her domestic situation. Like the article describes, she is the angry explosive type but her source of conflict is ME, as I symbolise her wasted 20s.

-She's also gorgeous, so I grew up with that image of a "sexual" mother and always copped it for having a MILF.

-Grew up in violent suburbs with lots of bad things happening so our home and safety was always under threat.

- Got into heavy relationships when I was young, wanting a family of my own to have that peaceful family environment.

- I'm an emotional eater and have abused drugs and alcohol to deal with my pain or escape from it.

- I had an abortion when I was 17 and am terrified of miscarriages and pregnancy/birth complications (because my mother had them)

- I had a traumatic birth, my mother was asleep and my dad wasn't there so I came into this world alone and spent my first few hours on this Earth without my parents to bond with.

- My sexuality is how they described in the last paragraph..I have Mars in cancer and Aries rising so I look young for my age and look like a cute little sweetheart...Like Marlon Brando, I AM sullen, I DO brood, I DO get resentful and I DO sulk and for some reason males have always found that sexy. I'm something between sweet (moon) and sexy(mars). Annoying cos its 2 conflicting polar extremes.

posted January 06, 2011 05:14 AM            

This man had brain attack, 2006 and is paralysed since then (on the right side).

His Natal Chart:

I think: if his Venus, ruler of 8th would have hard aspects, he wouldn't survive brain attack at all. Some people fall in Coma and die short time, after.

posted January 06, 2011 06:05 AM            

Hi Bobbie

posted January 06, 2011 06:11 AM            

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Originally posted by LoVeLy:
I've got Moon in Lib Square Mars [QUOTE]Originally posted by Glaucus:
[b]
Both Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahondas Gandhi had Moon square Mars. They both had t-squares involving Moon square Mars. They were both very passionate people, but they practiced nonviolence. Their lives ended from violence though.

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of course not

I was listing some examples of people that have Moon square Mars

just because a person list examples for a certain astrological measurement doesn't mean that it applies to everybody with that astrological measurement

Astrology doesn't work that way.

It has certain variables.

environment, genetic makeup, sociological-political conditions and the reaction of the individual in a positive or negative matter.

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No..I am not a Virgo.