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electricmind
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posted December 14, 2010 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is for research purposes, examining the different uses of horary. I want to see what story you see in this chart. I see some interesting things that are very telling about the background of the couple more than an actual answer to the question.

ETA: I'm interested to know if you think Saturn squaring the asc/dsc axis has any significance, and also Uranus and Jupiter straddling the MC.

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cappy1277
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posted December 14, 2010 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
typically you use the traditional rulers & planets to try to keep it simple but saturn rules the 7th house so that would mean that the astrologer may be restricted or compromised in making a judgement.

Moon is peregrine and venus & saturn are under the sun's beams. No aspects between moon & saturn. Venus is also in detriment. Whatever the outcome, someone is going to change their mind....or whatever looks good now won't look good when mercury comes out of RX.

Background? Not too keen but I surmise it may be work/school related issues that may have created some distance.

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electricmind
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posted December 15, 2010 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK so here is my take. I realize now that this art of horary is so fluid and very telling.

Cancer rising is valid. Its my descendant and his midheaven. And the degree is opposite my Venus in Capricorn.

I am Moon in his 3rd house and he is Saturn in Libra in my 4th. There is an 11 year age gap, plus my moon is natally in my 3rd and he is Libra rising.

The group of planets in the 6th is fitting. We initially met under pretense of a lot of mutual healing, mental physical and spiritual..and that is what it has been.

Venus in the 5th house in Scorpio, ruler of the 11th? talk about wild sexual attraction. its erotic as i have ever experienced in my entire life. Also, i think it speaks to it being hidden from our several mutual friends. although again its a strange dynamic.


The planets in my 6th are in his 12th (derived houses) and there is an element of secrecy here. None of our friends and all of our friends know that we are seeing each other. its quite strange. but he is more adamant about keeping it private he is a Scorpio...bless his heart. I don't care.

I think the interesting thing about Jupiter on the Midheaven...Its ruling the 6th and the 10th houses. We both have our own businesses/brands and we kind act as a consultant to each other. Its quite a multi-faceted relationship.

If we flip the chart, the 10th is his 4th and the 6th is his 12th. I do pretty much live with him while he is in town. We play house very well. But I wonder if the Uranus there speaks to some sudden change or something unexpected happening.

Mercury Rx rules my 12th and the 4th...I wonder if the secretness of the relationship will come to light once Mercury goes direct... Oddly enough, it went retrograde square my moon and conjunct my jupiter ascendant and conjunct his Venus/IC conjunction, opposite his Saturn and square his Pluto.

The Saturn in the 4th could go either way. We both have decided that we need to have more boundaries and limitations in the way we relate. As of now, it has been so impulsive, complusive and obsessive. Also, there is a LOT of Saturn in our synastry. His Sun conjuncts mine EXACT and his is conjunct my Descedant and square my moon and opposite my jupiter and neptune.

Neptune in the 8th could speak of the boundary issues around sex. Just be very overindulgent but bordering on mystical...tantric.

That is a lot, but i think it is a good study.

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cappy1277
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posted December 15, 2010 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
definitely a great case study! i'm gonna take some notes for future reference.

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posted December 15, 2010 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. Moon in applying quincux to Saturn, Venus in separating sextile to Mars, Moon in applying square to the Sun.

He's in his 10th house, meaning he's probably more focused on his career or social status.

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posted December 15, 2010 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the answer to the question is yes.

i just wanted to see what type of story the horary painted. in my experience doing it for others. it seems like horary really paints a picture of what is going on rather than a fatalistic answer to a question. i guess this is a way of bringing horary into the 21st century and releasing it from all of those strict, fatalistic rules.

ETA: @amowls thanks for you response
we are actually both focused on our careers and social status. me more so than him, which i think is that jupiter on my 10th house. perhaps him being in my 4th as saturn speaks to how much he is a grounding influence on me. we both look to each other as a teacher.

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posted December 15, 2010 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How is there a Moon quincunx Saturn and Sun square Moon in the chart? The orb is way too wide for both.

Moon in 2'43 Pisces
Saturn in 15'26 Libra

Sun in 19'51 Sagittarius
Moon in 2'43 Pisces


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posted December 15, 2010 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Glaucus

I think amowls was say that those are the next aspects that the moon is making...

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posted December 15, 2010 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The answer is no.

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posted December 15, 2010 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The next aspects the moon makes are to sextile mars, sextile pluto, sextile mercury, trine venus, opp POF, square sun, conjunct jupiter & uranus. Moon is actually in separating sextile, dexter from sun with a 12d orb but moon does apply by sextile, dexter to mars by a 0.3d orb. Moon doesn't make any aspects to saturn.

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posted December 15, 2010 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It doesn't matter. Love is seen is the dignities. There are no dignities between them.

The only thing there is, is Saturn (him) in the dignity of Venus which represents her sexual side. Other than that, he isn't in love with her.

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posted December 15, 2010 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from my horary program i use on my computer:

Now
11 Dec 2010 TZ = 6.0 6.08 P.M. 41.51 NORTH 87.39 WEST

Saturn day Moon hour

STRICTURES and WARNINGS -
SATURN is the ruler of the 7th house.

Planet Sign Exlt. Trip. Term Face Speed Rate Strength
------ ---- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----- ---- --------
SUN JUPITER --- JUPITER SATURN MOON FAST 1d 01m -5
MOON JUPITER VENUS MARS VENUS SATURN SLOW 11d 53m 2
MERCURY SATURN MARS MOON VENUS JUPITER SLOW R 0d 22m -14
VENUS MARS --- MARS JUPITER MARS SLOW 0d 42m -2
MARS SATURN MARS MOON VENUS JUPITER FAST 0d 46m 6
JUPITER JUPITER VENUS MARS MARS MARS SLOW 0d 05m 15
SATURN VENUS SATURN MERCURY JUPITER SATURN FAST 0d 04m 22
PART F. MERCURY MERCURY MOON MARS MERCURY 7

Peregrine - SUN MERCURY VENUS MOON
Detriment - VENUS
Fall -
Mutual Reception (by sign) - URANUS-NEPTUNE

Via Combusta - VENUS SATURN
Under Sun's Beam - MERCURY MARS
Fateful Degree - MARS
House of Joy - VENUS MARS
Fixed Stars - JUPITER - Markab ASC - Canopus

Planets' Strengths:
SUN: -5 MERCURY: -14 VENUS: -2 MARS: 6 JUPITER: 15 SATURN: 22 MOON: 2


03 CPR 22 MEAN NORTH NODE 02 CPR 50 TRUE NORTH NODE

03 LIB 04 P of ILLNESS 20 GEM 14 P/DEATH-trad. 24 VIR 13 P of MARRIAGE
11 TAU 02 P of FATALITY 23 CAN 59 Point of DEATH 02 TAU 36 P.F. - night

Moon's Aspects -
From -
To - SEXTILE MARS,SEXTILE PLUTO,SEXTILE MERCURY,TRINE VENUS,SQUARE SUN, CONJUNCT JUPITER,CONJUNCT URANUS, OPPOSITE PART F.

Moon's Aspects Within Orb
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MOON Sextile sep,dex SUN 12.9d
MOON Sextile APP,dex MARS 0.3d
MOON TrineAPP, dex VENUS 4d
MOON Sextile APP, dex MERCURY 3d
MOON Sextile APP,dex PLUTO 1.9d
MOON Conjunct sep NEPTUNE 6.4d


Moon's declination = 06 S 15 Moon's declination next day = 01 S 26


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posted December 15, 2010 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Moon next aspects don't mean anything in 'does he love me horary'. That just represents how the matter will continue. But it doesn't mean he is going to profess his love for her just because there is an applying aspect.

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electricmind
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posted December 15, 2010 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
everyone is getting so technical...

if you drop the rules for a second (which are useful but a bit outdated, in my opinion) look at see what the chart is saying. its more than just some aspects and dignitaries. if anyone else wants to post a horary, perhaps can try and see what story is in it.

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posted December 15, 2010 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's always how I do horaries. They are indeed technical. But also in your face.

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cappy1277
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posted December 15, 2010 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm gonna bump mine if no one minds.....

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posted December 17, 2010 05:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Electric mind. So interesting. If you want take a look at the horary I will be so thankful. I asked about me and a man in the future? What do you se about us? I'm not good at all at horary and try to interpret the chart correctly.

I see that you also check from horarychart to natal?

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