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Topic: another "does he love me horary"
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electricmind Knowflake Posts: 726 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 14, 2010 10:39 PM
This is for research purposes, examining the different uses of horary. I want to see what story you see in this chart. I see some interesting things that are very telling about the background of the couple more than an actual answer to the question. ETA: I'm interested to know if you think Saturn squaring the asc/dsc axis has any significance, and also Uranus and Jupiter straddling the MC. ------------------ my blog IP: Logged |
cappy1277 Knowflake Posts: 349 From: philadelphia,pa Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 14, 2010 11:43 PM
typically you use the traditional rulers & planets to try to keep it simple but saturn rules the 7th house so that would mean that the astrologer may be restricted or compromised in making a judgement.Moon is peregrine and venus & saturn are under the sun's beams. No aspects between moon & saturn. Venus is also in detriment. Whatever the outcome, someone is going to change their mind....or whatever looks good now won't look good when mercury comes out of RX. Background? Not too keen but I surmise it may be work/school related issues that may have created some distance. IP: Logged |
electricmind Knowflake Posts: 726 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:04 AM
OK so here is my take. I realize now that this art of horary is so fluid and very telling.Cancer rising is valid. Its my descendant and his midheaven. And the degree is opposite my Venus in Capricorn. I am Moon in his 3rd house and he is Saturn in Libra in my 4th. There is an 11 year age gap, plus my moon is natally in my 3rd and he is Libra rising. The group of planets in the 6th is fitting. We initially met under pretense of a lot of mutual healing, mental physical and spiritual..and that is what it has been. Venus in the 5th house in Scorpio, ruler of the 11th? talk about wild sexual attraction. its erotic as i have ever experienced in my entire life. Also, i think it speaks to it being hidden from our several mutual friends. although again its a strange dynamic. The planets in my 6th are in his 12th (derived houses) and there is an element of secrecy here. None of our friends and all of our friends know that we are seeing each other. its quite strange. but he is more adamant about keeping it private he is a Scorpio...bless his heart. I don't care.
I think the interesting thing about Jupiter on the Midheaven...Its ruling the 6th and the 10th houses. We both have our own businesses/brands and we kind act as a consultant to each other. Its quite a multi-faceted relationship. If we flip the chart, the 10th is his 4th and the 6th is his 12th. I do pretty much live with him while he is in town. We play house very well. But I wonder if the Uranus there speaks to some sudden change or something unexpected happening. Mercury Rx rules my 12th and the 4th...I wonder if the secretness of the relationship will come to light once Mercury goes direct... Oddly enough, it went retrograde square my moon and conjunct my jupiter ascendant and conjunct his Venus/IC conjunction, opposite his Saturn and square his Pluto. The Saturn in the 4th could go either way. We both have decided that we need to have more boundaries and limitations in the way we relate. As of now, it has been so impulsive, complusive and obsessive. Also, there is a LOT of Saturn in our synastry. His Sun conjuncts mine EXACT and his is conjunct my Descedant and square my moon and opposite my jupiter and neptune. Neptune in the 8th could speak of the boundary issues around sex. Just be very overindulgent but bordering on mystical...tantric. That is a lot, but i think it is a good study. ------------------ my blog IP: Logged |
cappy1277 Knowflake Posts: 349 From: philadelphia,pa Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:10 AM
definitely a great case study! i'm gonna take some notes for future reference.IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 2036 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:40 AM
No. Moon in applying quincux to Saturn, Venus in separating sextile to Mars, Moon in applying square to the Sun.He's in his 10th house, meaning he's probably more focused on his career or social status. IP: Logged |
electricmind Knowflake Posts: 726 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 11:13 AM
the answer to the question is yes.i just wanted to see what type of story the horary painted. in my experience doing it for others. it seems like horary really paints a picture of what is going on rather than a fatalistic answer to a question. i guess this is a way of bringing horary into the 21st century and releasing it from all of those strict, fatalistic rules. ETA: @amowls thanks for you response  we are actually both focused on our careers and social status. me more so than him, which i think is that jupiter on my 10th house. perhaps him being in my 4th as saturn speaks to how much he is a grounding influence on me. we both look to each other as a teacher. ------------------ my blog IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 4801 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 11:59 AM
How is there a Moon quincunx Saturn and Sun square Moon in the chart? The orb is way too wide for both.Moon in 2'43 Pisces Saturn in 15'26 Libra Sun in 19'51 Sagittarius Moon in 2'43 Pisces ------------------ No..I am not a Virgo.
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electricmind Knowflake Posts: 726 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:13 PM
@GlaucusI think amowls was say that those are the next aspects that the moon is making... ------------------ my blog IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 2228 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 12:30 PM
The answer is no. IP: Logged |
cappy1277 Knowflake Posts: 349 From: philadelphia,pa Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:40 PM
The next aspects the moon makes are to sextile mars, sextile pluto, sextile mercury, trine venus, opp POF, square sun, conjunct jupiter & uranus. Moon is actually in separating sextile, dexter from sun with a 12d orb but moon does apply by sextile, dexter to mars by a 0.3d orb. Moon doesn't make any aspects to saturn.IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 2228 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 12:42 PM
It doesn't matter. Love is seen is the dignities. There are no dignities between them.The only thing there is, is Saturn (him) in the dignity of Venus which represents her sexual side. Other than that, he isn't in love with her. IP: Logged |
cappy1277 Knowflake Posts: 349 From: philadelphia,pa Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:43 PM
from my horary program i use on my computer:Now 11 Dec 2010 TZ = 6.0 6.08 P.M. 41.51 NORTH 87.39 WEST Saturn day Moon hour STRICTURES and WARNINGS - SATURN is the ruler of the 7th house. Planet Sign Exlt. Trip. Term Face Speed Rate Strength ------ ---- ----- ----- ---- ---- ----- ---- -------- SUN JUPITER --- JUPITER SATURN MOON FAST 1d 01m -5 MOON JUPITER VENUS MARS VENUS SATURN SLOW 11d 53m 2 MERCURY SATURN MARS MOON VENUS JUPITER SLOW R 0d 22m -14 VENUS MARS --- MARS JUPITER MARS SLOW 0d 42m -2 MARS SATURN MARS MOON VENUS JUPITER FAST 0d 46m 6 JUPITER JUPITER VENUS MARS MARS MARS SLOW 0d 05m 15 SATURN VENUS SATURN MERCURY JUPITER SATURN FAST 0d 04m 22 PART F. MERCURY MERCURY MOON MARS MERCURY 7 Peregrine - SUN MERCURY VENUS MOON Detriment - VENUS Fall - Mutual Reception (by sign) - URANUS-NEPTUNE Via Combusta - VENUS SATURN Under Sun's Beam - MERCURY MARS Fateful Degree - MARS House of Joy - VENUS MARS Fixed Stars - JUPITER - Markab ASC - Canopus Planets' Strengths: SUN: -5 MERCURY: -14 VENUS: -2 MARS: 6 JUPITER: 15 SATURN: 22 MOON: 2 03 CPR 22 MEAN NORTH NODE 02 CPR 50 TRUE NORTH NODE
03 LIB 04 P of ILLNESS 20 GEM 14 P/DEATH-trad. 24 VIR 13 P of MARRIAGE 11 TAU 02 P of FATALITY 23 CAN 59 Point of DEATH 02 TAU 36 P.F. - night Moon's Aspects - From - To - SEXTILE MARS,SEXTILE PLUTO,SEXTILE MERCURY,TRINE VENUS,SQUARE SUN, CONJUNCT JUPITER,CONJUNCT URANUS, OPPOSITE PART F. Moon's Aspects Within Orb ------------------------- MOON Sextile sep,dex SUN 12.9d MOON Sextile APP,dex MARS 0.3d MOON TrineAPP, dex VENUS 4d MOON Sextile APP, dex MERCURY 3d MOON Sextile APP,dex PLUTO 1.9d MOON Conjunct sep NEPTUNE 6.4d Moon's declination = 06 S 15 Moon's declination next day = 01 S 26
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raspberri Knowflake Posts: 2228 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 12:46 PM
The Moon next aspects don't mean anything in 'does he love me horary'. That just represents how the matter will continue. But it doesn't mean he is going to profess his love for her just because there is an applying aspect. IP: Logged |
electricmind Knowflake Posts: 726 From: Registered: Dec 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:47 PM
everyone is getting so technical...if you drop the rules for a second (which are useful but a bit outdated, in my opinion) look at see what the chart is saying. its more than just some aspects and dignitaries. if anyone else wants to post a horary, perhaps can try and see what story is in it. ------------------ my blog IP: Logged |
raspberri Knowflake Posts: 2228 From: venus Registered: Jan 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 12:49 PM
It's always how I do horaries. They are indeed technical. But also in your face.IP: Logged |
cappy1277 Knowflake Posts: 349 From: philadelphia,pa Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 12:50 PM
i'm gonna bump mine if no one minds.....IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1855 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted December 17, 2010 05:57 AM
Electric mind. So interesting. If you want take a look at the horary I will be so thankful. I asked about me and a man in the future? What do you se about us? I'm not good at all at horary and try to interpret the chart correctly.I see that you also check from horarychart to natal? IP: Logged |