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A_L_F
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posted January 01, 2011 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Been musing over this. Known a few examples where the planet was at 0 degrees, especially if the planet was domiciled - results in an excess of that planet manifesting itself. Does it result in dominance per se?
I have Uranus 0 degrees Scorpio in 5th which seems pretty creative. With excess individualism and the expression of a rejection of / rebellion against societal norms in general etc.
Does anyone know more about this, and the 29th degree etc? I've heard the terms 'anaretic' and 'critical' (refering to degree). Can anyone shed any more light this interesting subject.
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posted January 01, 2011 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me,0 degree energy is free;u have choice,great potential. And when sun progresses,it builds in its strenght;when u reach the prime of productive years(30s,40s) u have combined magic of two adjancent signs,which is always quite a fine situation (imagine e.g leo/virgo resourcefullness). Being the very beginning,de facto carries with self full 'personality':fresh,young,that sign at its core.
OTOH,29th degree... Don't ask me why,i don't know,looks to me very ominous... Karmic,cuz there is transendence,but,of course,all that doesn't mean it's bad... Just,u know,astro-shuddering! It also can be seen as the peak of sign's energy. Child is born with 29th degree,let's say sun,and such an immediate progression into next sign could leave sense of not knowing where they belong,constant pursuit,creative compensation and dissatisfaction. If it is well directed,no boundaries,really.

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posted January 01, 2011 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd like to know more about this subject too.
Some say the "anaretic" degrees are weak, because they are on the cusp of two signs and therefore can't be expressed properly, which makes the decision-making in that area of life difficult.
Also, according to traditional astrology, the latest degrees of a sign are unfortunate because they are in the malefics' (Mars & Saturn) terms.
I don't know much about the 0 degree though. Someone wrote this: "Ezra says that a planet positioned at the beginning of the sign is considered weak until it reaches 5 degrees away from it."
But then again, what does "weak" mean exactly?

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posted January 01, 2011 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Weak planet=it is easy for other planet to take precedence? Falling under aspect with other planet,and by nature it wouldn't be so,like sun under mercury's influence??
Hi,Doux Rêve

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posted January 01, 2011 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi sweetie! How are you? Happy new year!

Uhmm.. well maybe what they mean by "weak" is that it has trouble expressing all the positive traits of the sign? Like if you have your Moon at 2° Cancer, you are less likely to be mature emotionally, and instead will act like a cry-baby? LOL just a suggestion! Wait.. I have my Moon at 1° Virgo! Well I can definitely say it isn't mature yet.. I am disorganized, I worry too much, and I get hypercritical when angry

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posted January 01, 2011 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks,doll,best wishes to u i am bit headachy from last night mild partying really,it was mild,i don't know what happened to me! my lil bro has virgo moon... I really like that position. Fine mind,intelectual,not easily swayed. Exepct when he starts folding things everywhere
But,with moon,time is the right remedy.. Immature in it's expression.. Makes sense

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posted January 01, 2011 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! Best wishes to you too! Haha I get what you mean, party party party!! (and then sick sick sick .. oops!)

Aww you're one of the few people who like that position, usually lunar virgos are seen as too serious/shy/reserved and plain BORING lol. But I like your description..

Yes I think you're right. I guess the Moon is naturally kinda childish and immature. I hope it'll get better with time though ^^

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posted January 01, 2011 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that a planet at the 0 degree of any sign is like the 'purest' form of that sign.

So, for instance, I have my Venus at 0' Virgo, and that means it is at the degree that begins the sign and therefore is the precedent of that sign. So, in theory, I should be the most exacting/perfectionistic/other typical Virgo tendencies with regards to relationships/creativity/other typical Venusian things.

Not sure if it's true. I have Venus in Virgo at 0' and Saturn in Scorpio at 0'. I am fairly exacting and perfectionistic/Virgo like when it comes to relationships, but I don't think I'm that bad. Saturn is unfortunately also right on the cusp of my 12th house, so it generally is a mystery for me.

In truth, most of the planets in my chart are at the beginnings and ends of signs, which I DO think gives me the lovely distinction of being able to accept change and moving to a new stage of life rather easily, however, that could also be due to the fact that the vast majority of my planets are in mutable signs...

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posted January 01, 2011 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blugrey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also heard it was the "purest" or "strongest" degree. I have my sun at 0 degrees Gemini. That plus 3 other planets there, I identify with the sign like crazy!

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Doux Rêve
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posted January 01, 2011 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doux Rêve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting, enchantress299.
I (barely) know someone who has their Mars at 0° Virgo opposing Saturn at 0° Pisces.. but I don't know how this plays out..

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posted January 01, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have my Saturn at 0 degree Virgo. there will probably be blood if i ever meet your acquaintance, Doux Rêve!

just kidding. but i really feel my Saturn there, it's a Leo ruled 9th house. the easiest one to decipher is my taste in things. i love history and i look up to the way people lived in the old times. i'm very strict with the way i dress too, very old-fashioned. the only piece of modern technology in my house is probably my laptop and internet…

it didn't manifest in a "organization freak" sort of way. (thank god…)

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posted January 01, 2011 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well 0 degrees is the Aries Point, so it'll add strength to that position.

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posted January 01, 2011 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Pluto is at 0 libra.. Its also in my 7th..

Its very strong for me, and it's also a part of my T-square. of Venus/Pluto/Jupiter.

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posted January 03, 2011 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been really interested in this topic recently. I have a lot of points in my chart at 0 or close to 0.

My ASC is at 1 Aries, with my chart ruler Mars at 0 Scorpio. The rest of my axes also falls at those critical points- DSC at 1 Libra and IC/MC at 0 Cancer/Cap. My NN is at 0 Aries and my Sun is at 1 Sagittarius.

I read a pretty good article about this here- http://www.dearbrutus.com/critical_degrees.html
The article refers to critical degrees moving 12.51 forward from 0 Aries. But I think 0 degrees and 29 count as critical degrees no matter what the sign.

Looking at Sabian symbols has also been helpful.

The gist of it to me is that critical degrees can be extremely idealistic and see themselves as part of the world at large. I didn't notice this in myself until I met someone else recently whose chart is also dominated by critical degrees and felt like we were very similar in that way. In a way, I think there's a feeling of being an incarnate of the "standard" of the energy expressed by the planet or angle. This can feel depersonalized to me, but as that article mentioned, I think because of the extreme idealism and tendency to implicate oneself within the world at large- there is a tendency to go inward and become "inactive" in that planets domain when you feel like your own idealistic energy is not being matched by outside circumstances.

One thing I have noticed about the 29th degree as opposed to 0 is that to me the 29th is kind of jittery in its position- it senses the next sign and feels the chapter of its current sign ending and might just want to get there already. I think a mature enough individual will realize though, that it really needs to "perfect" the energy of the sign it is in before it can move on. This is just a hypothesis but I think planets/angles in the 29th see the next sign in a kind of idealistic way, and are attracted to it but sense that they are not quite there yet and need to complete this cycle and perfect it before they can get there. 0 on the other hand to me, feels a little more openly embracing of the sign it is in, there is a naive or innocent quality. It's a little over eager to learn and might go full force and get ahead of itself but there is a sense that it is the most potent energy of the sign, even if its mostly intuitive and doesn't really have the wisdom/experience to articulate itself in a conscious way.

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posted January 03, 2011 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Staborgi. Interesting. It was actually a critical degree Mars that prompted this thread, although i didn't mention it specifically. Can you tell me how your Mars at the critical degree of one of it's two 'domiciles' manifests in you please. Do you have excess energy or a lack of need for sleep or anything noteworthy that you think is imbued by such a position of Mars? I'm just trying to build up a little theory. I think excessive Mars itself ceteris paribus lends itself to a 'unipolarity' in some people towards the energies that Mars expresses, whilst for example if the Moon is afflicted by a Mars that is some way prominant / dominant in the chart then it manifests as 'bipolarity'. i.e, two highly charged and incompatable energies swapping dominance periodically in 'phases'.
I have Mars in Scorpio myself at a rather innocuous 25th degree. I'd be interested to know what it's like at 0..
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posted January 03, 2011 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'd be interested to hear your experience with Mars in Scorpio as well! I just posted about this on another thread as well, my Mars is super active in my chart but its in the 7th so I sometimes dissociate from it, so I'm always curious about others' experiences with it. It does make up a big part of my inner portrait I think. To clarify- mine is quincunx my Aries ASC, so it's also my chart ruler, and in a wide conjunction to Pluto, also in the 7th. My NN is also at 0 Aries, so Mars is also my NN ruler. I apologize in advance for the length of this post- I have a hard time isolating aspects and feel like everything is interconnected!

I kind of agree with that article I posted in that if you feel like the planet at a critical degree is not getting used in the outer world in a way that matches your ideal, it will tend to shut down and go inward. I see my Scorpio Mars as super idealistic about sex, psychology, and ego death. I've always felt I carried some kind of archetypal manifestations of this in my own life- probably aided by my Sun in the 8th.

From a very young age, I was interested in sex and wanted to explore it. I felt like I had an intuitive understanding of what sex might mean to me. At the time I couldn't articulate why and didn't really have the knowledge or experience to but as I got older I began to realize it was for a very Scorpio related reason- ego loss. I was also always compulsively interested in psychological make-up- I think my interest in astrology comes from that. Mars is from what I've read very much associated with ego- and I think my Aries ASC denotes a strong ego. But with its own ruler in quincunx to it, I tend to oscillate between extremes of acute egotism and total ego death. This is probably why I was also always interested in drugs. Since my Mars is in the 7th- ideally I assert myself in a relationship oriented way, that is aimed at being totally melded with another. Realistically this is more how things have played out-
-I tend to consciously associate more with my SN ruler- Venus. I like to think I am sweet and charming. My SN ruler is also conjunct Uranus. So in terms of relationships, my knee jerk reaction is to stay out of them and maintain independence mixed with some kind of flirty, flighty charm. This is not helped by that point I was making earlier about Mars becoming dormant if it feels like its ideal isn't being met. I know what personal relationships, particularly sexual ones can be- I feel like I've experienced and am capable of the heights of this- if I feel like I'm not going to get that with someone, my Mars goes to sleep in the outer world and gets directed inward. At my worst, my Mars is completely inactive. I don't go after what I want despite having STRONG desires for it, usually this is related to personal relationships since its in the 7th. What I guess ends up happening is that being in the 7th- I end up attracting the very energies I repress and refuse to take responsibility for. I attract people that are very sexually aggressive, very manipulative, very controlling, very intent of figuring out every little aspect of my psyche. I've had some disturbing experiences with this. I think it again, has to do with Mars being at a critical degree. It's like I attract the ULTIMATE Scorpios. I can go a LONG TIME without a partner or sex. I am very controlled about this. But that energy does need to go somewhere, so the more I stay out of it with a partner the more I rely on myself to continue to control until I feel like someone is worthy enough for me to let go ENTIRELY. It's super extreme.

That's all I can think of for now....I'll post more if I think of it but yeah, please let me know what your experience with Mars in Scorpio has been

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posted January 05, 2011 08:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was very interesting. I get where you're coming from. I'm quite characterised by my Mars in alot of ways. I'm quite 'do or die' about alot of thigs. I have had long periods of no sex too in the past. But also flurries of women. But as you say the energy has to go somewhere. I think it's a bit unhealthy for a Scorpio Mars person to not have a sexual partner. I think it can lead to the negative sides of it to be expressed, such as obsessive-compulsive tendencies, bitterness, possessiveness, excessiveness etc. I found it really interesting about your drug taking. I used to take ecstacy alot and i have found i'm quite excessive in everything i do. If you had all the cannabis i've ever smoked stacked up you'd probably need a tractor to move it. But back then everyone was like that. Everyone of my friends who are now successful smoked a hay-bail's worth of weed in their time. I go from one extreme to the next. I'm aiming for purity though, and basically feeling love all the time. A love of life and a love of knowledge. My aim is to make enough money from share investments to spend an entire summer on the nudist beach reading important books on stuff i'm interested in and feeding my intellect. I'm interested in psychology too, like you, and have a degree in it. Personality disorders interest me, as does the subconcious. I don't tend to read that much on psychology tbh because i feel i know it already, you know? I don't mean because of my studies, but i mean because of intuition. I'm more motivated to read things that integrate the physical with the spiritual. It's very interesting that you mention you attract Scorpios, because i've always said the same thing. And even formulated what i call the 'Mars Attraction Hypothesis'. It's one of my blessings to attract them because i think they're awesome, especially if they have Venus in Libra. I think god had a wry smile on his face when he came up with the concoction of a Scorpio Sun / Venus Libra female. As if it was too good for this earth - but he thought 'oh well i'll treat them'. lol. Throughout my life i noticed that the one female you could always rely on being true was a Scorpio. They're like the opposite of a Gemini. And the natural intensity i carry around with me always found an appreciate audience in them.
Another thing i wanted to recount to you was relating the the early sexual interest. When i was 6 or 7 i had intense sexual urges from somewhere, and i developed a leg fetish which still remains today. I had a teacher who was quite old maybe 40 or 50 who wore tights and heels. I was obsessed with her legs, and no exageration i used to pretend my pencil needed sharpening several times in one lesson because i could sharpen it into her bin and look at her legs under the desk. I'm not sure how blatent it looked. And at times i must say i possibly risked being 'detected'. But i remember feeling that my actions would be disguised by my age. It was the ultimate decoy. I knew the other boys in the class weren't thinking what i was and i felt like a bit of a pervert lol. I thought about discussing how i felt with a friend of the same age but i remember thinking i might aswell talk to the wall. This was mine. My private fixation. I liked the exclusivity of my fixation. I don't like to share objects of my desire. The biggest turn on to me is exclusivity. When a persons thinking about you at the same time you're thinking about them. True desire is exlusive, as is love. And exclusivity is Mars in Scorpio. Like my grandad once said to me ''you cannot serve two masters''. So true. I've never cheated on anyone in 36 years, because i've never 'half-liked' anyone. Interesting to note is my grandad has Mars exactly conjunct mine. He 'keeps on going'. I think i have that quality, and it comes from the natal Mars position we're discussing.

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posted January 05, 2011 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does Venus at 0 degrees feels? Could someone explain it to me??

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posted January 05, 2011 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stawr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I took a look at my birth chart and it shows...

Jupiter 4° in Cancer
Ceres 3° in Cancer
Nessus 1° in Libra
Fortune 0° in Aries
S. nod 0° in Aries

Ha with having some "strong Cancer" I wouldn't say I'm a cry baby. But many have said that I complain too much.
And anyone wanna take a wack at what having 0° in the S. nod of Aries?

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Rising: Gemini
Sun: Aries
Moon: Scorpio
Mercury: Taurus
Mars: Aqarius
Venus: Pisces
N. Node: Aqarius
S. Node: Aries
Juno: Scorpio
Eros: Pisces
True&Mean Lilith: Scorpio

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posted January 06, 2011 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amazing Lechien I av d same aspect too with my 7th house Vir Sat 0°25'23" rx...

Hmm... interesting to know my Vir Sat is in its 'purest form'. What does that mean anyway?

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posted January 06, 2011 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I've always found comfort in other Scorpios. I feel like get all the stuff I've deemed as kind of weird and crazy in me. I still have a super conscious feeling of not wanting to indulge it though. I think a big part of me is still uncomfortable and even embarrassed about my Scorpio qualities. I'm curious what you're reading that discusses the link btwn physical and spiritual?
Also I wanted to add- the story you mentioned about discovering a fetish at a young age is interesting. I remember the first time I felt anything sexual was a friend of mine telling me a story she had overheard her older sibling telling I think, about an older guy they knew finding a pair of their friends underwear and masturbating with them on his head. I remember my friend and I (who I later found out was a Scorpio) were so intrigued by it but I think I more interested because I was turned on by it? This was really young, can't remember the age exactly, but definitely before I even knew what sex was!

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