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Topic: If house cusps exist, why not sign cusps?
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Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 08:12 PM
  
I couldn't help but wonder: if houses within 3 degrees of the next sign are interpreted in the next house, why aren't planets given official 'cusp' status? I know Linda wasn't a believer in Sun sign cusps, but I can't help feeling like there's something to it. All the cusps I've known were definitely oscillating energy. My questions are:
- Why are houses interpreted in the 'next house' if on the cusp?
- Do you believe in Sun and other planet cusps and why?  IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted January 17, 2011 08:35 PM
Yes if a planet is close to the next house it is translated in both houses.. I have Saturn in H3 but conjunct the IC line, it also translated in H4. I do find both translations accurate, sort of a mix of the two.. Not totally one or the other, but a mix of the two house's. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 17, 2011 08:37 PM
um....my sun is at like 27 scorpio...i sorta identify with sag when it comes to travel but other than that i'm totally scorpio....if thats what your asking that is------------------
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Glaucus
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posted January 17, 2011 08:44 PM
it all depends on the house system and zodiac that is usedVedic Astrology involves a sidereal zodiac and whole sign house system Classical Astrology involves a tropical zodiac and whole sign house system
with whole sign house system, the sign cusps and house cusps were one and the same
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Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 08:49 PM
I get that, definitely, though my question was if you're in a late degree house, let's say Scorpio, and your stuff will be interpreted in Sagittarius, then is it safe to say that when you're a late degree Sun Sign, let's say Taurus, you're also quite a Gemini? I'm saying do you think Sign cusps are legitimate? I think they are, but there seems to be a difference of opinion in astrology world. Also WHY, in the Placidus house systems, are things interpreted in the next house? What is the reason? IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted January 17, 2011 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by Moons Of Jupiter:
I get that, definitely, though my question was if you're in a late degree house, let's say Scorpio, and your stuff will be interpreted in Sagittarius, then is it safe to say that when you're a late degree Sun Sign, let's say Taurus, you're also quite a Gemini? I'm saying do you think Sign cusps are legitimate? I think they are, but there seems to be a difference of opinion in astrology world. Also WHY, in the Placidus house systems, are things interpreted in the next house? What is the reason?
Im not sure, but i think its more for the outer planets that are translated in both houses..
But you progress to the next sign very early if your Sun/personal planets is at a late degree... IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted January 17, 2011 09:17 PM
All I know is - many Cancer women with Gemini in their charts look similar to me.The only thing I have to account for it is my AC bang on the Gemini/Cancer cusp. Cancer women with no Gemini and Gemini women with no Cancer - do NOT resemble me at all. I'm not sure what to make of this, but I think it's at least possible that we 'cusp-ers' have traits of both signs. IP: Logged |
Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 09:18 PM
Lioness - granted those are progressions, which is how you grow, right? But in the natal chart, if you were 27/28 degrees of sign A, would it be valid to say you were also strongly influenced by sign B? IP: Logged |
Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 09:19 PM
Betty Boop - you're a Gemini-Cancer cusp? How many degrees Gemini? Or early degree Cancer? Within 3? IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 17, 2011 09:27 PM
MOJ, i dont think that what your talking about applies to me at all...as i said before, my sun is at 27 scorpio, but the only thing that i can identify with sag is the love of travel------------------
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Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 09:32 PM
NickyG - thanks, so you'd say you don't believe in sign cusps then. Have you read 'The Secret Language Of Birthdays" on the Scorp/Sag cusp sections, and do you find any of this sounds like you?"Individuals born on the cusp of Scorpio (the eighth Sign of the Zodiac) and Sagittarius (the ninth Sign of the Zodiac) are ruled by both Pluto...with a secondary influence afforded by Mars...and Jupiter. Here, the bold and aggressive traits associated with Scorpio, courtesy of Mars, blend with the active and versatile nature of Sagittarius, complete with that Sign's highly magnetic qualities afforded by Jupiter. Thus, these cuspians can accomplish the most difficult things and meet virtually any emergency. The zeal of Sagittarius offsets any Scorpio procrastination, resulting in a far-reaching strength of purpose and accomplishment. These natives are frank and open-minded, perhaps a little too much so, but they usually manage to curb their egos to the simple point of self-satisfaction over true accomplishment. The Scorpio/Sagittarius cuspian is of the type that can succeed at whatever he or she might undertake. No obstacles seem to stop these individuals, save the overconfidence in their own ability. If they should lapse into the Scorpio tendency to delay, then they will compensate with the fervor of Sagittarius, frequently expending too much effort in their project. In essence, the fiery nature of Sagittarius can burn itself out when it has the watery Scorpio in attendance to act as a damper. Accordingly, fire and water should be properly separated in order to produce steam with steady and powerful results." IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted January 17, 2011 09:39 PM
I don't believe in sign cusps,but I won't say that they don't work. There are lot of things that astrologers don't believe in, but other astrologers believe that they work.If people can relate to sunsign cusps, the first thing that I would want to know is if they have any planets in the next sign. If not that, I wonder if they have any aspects that are similar to the sign placement.
I'd also consider midpoints too. I use the planetary nodes. ------------------
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NickiG
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posted January 17, 2011 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by Moons Of Jupiter:
NickyG - thanks, so you'd say you don't believe in sign cusps then. Have you read 'The Secret Language Of Birthdays" on the Scorp/Sag cusp sections, and do you find any of this sounds like you?"Individuals born on the cusp of Scorpio (the eighth Sign of the Zodiac) and Sagittarius (the ninth Sign of the Zodiac) are ruled by both Pluto...with a secondary influence afforded by Mars...and Jupiter. Here, the bold and aggressive traits associated with Scorpio, courtesy of Mars, blend with the active and versatile nature of Sagittarius, complete with that Sign's highly magnetic qualities afforded by Jupiter. Thus, these cuspians can accomplish the most difficult things and meet virtually any emergency. The zeal of Sagittarius offsets any Scorpio procrastination, resulting in a far-reaching strength of purpose and accomplishment. These natives are frank and open-minded, perhaps a little too much so, but they usually manage to curb their egos to the simple point of self-satisfaction over true accomplishment. The Scorpio/Sagittarius cuspian is of the type that can succeed at whatever he or she might undertake. No obstacles seem to stop these individuals, save the overconfidence in their own ability. If they should lapse into the Scorpio tendency to delay, then they will compensate with the fervor of Sagittarius, frequently expending too much effort in their project. In essence, the fiery nature of Sagittarius can burn itself out when it has the watery Scorpio in attendance to act as a damper. Accordingly, fire and water should be properly separated in order to produce steam with steady and powerful results."
no, i havent read that...but only some of that actually applies to me such as the frankness and openmindedness...i'd say i dont do so well under a lot of pressure, i kind of freeze at first and then realize whats going on then get down to it...and i think my sag influence has been, how should i say, become more intellectual because of my mercury chart ruler/singleton is there conjuncting my sun ------------------
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Betty Boop
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posted January 17, 2011 09:58 PM
Moons of Jupiter - My ascendant is 0' Cancer, but if I go with my mother rather than the official record - it could be slightly earlier at 29' Gem.
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Moons Of Jupiter
Knowflake Posts: 91
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posted January 17, 2011 10:02 PM
NikiG - So your Mercury is in Sag? GLAUCUS - I am a 27 degree Cancer, and I have Mercury in Leo, though with no aspects to my sun or moon. I always felt a lot like an attention seeking fire sign (Moon in Sag), but I am a Cancer, and dammit nobody believes me. I always get Leo, without fail. I have big hair and a catty face. Typical convo:
"MOJ, what's your sign?"
"Guess."
"Leo."
"Nope, Cancer."
"No way, check your birthday." Grrrr, this occurs all the time, lol. Why can't I just be a flamboyant Cancer then? Hence I'm attributing it to a cusp phenomena, how else to explain it? I don't have Leo rising, I have Cancer rising. IP: Logged |
Moons Of Jupiter
Knowflake Posts: 91
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posted January 17, 2011 10:04 PM
Betty - which one do you feel more like, outside? IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted January 17, 2011 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by Moons Of Jupiter:
NikiG - So your Mercury is in Sag? GLAUCUS - I am a 27 degree Cancer, and I have Mercury in Leo, though with no aspects to my sun or moon. I always felt a lot like an attention seeking fire sign (Moon in Sag), but I am a Cancer, and dammit nobody believes me. I always get Leo, without fail. I have big hair and a catty face. Typical convo:
"MOJ, what's your sign?"
"Guess."
"Leo."
"Nope, Cancer."
"No way, check your birthday." This occurs all the time, lol. Hence I'm attributing it to a cusp phenomena, how else to explain it? I don't have Leo rising, I have Cancer rising.
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NickiG
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posted January 17, 2011 10:09 PM
yea, its in early sag------------------
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Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 10:11 PM
Well then, I don't know what to make of myself. Either cusps are completely legit, or maybe one's Mercury is a lot stronger than I thought. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 17, 2011 10:13 PM
lol, not only is it my chart ruler but it is also a singleton and so is uranus...i am quite the thinker and i think so many things at once that i'm often very forgetful....many people swear i'm a stoner, LOLedit, oh yea, mercury also conjuncts my sun ------------------
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Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 10:16 PM
LOL! Could be worse.  Although, what exactly makes a singleton? IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 17, 2011 10:20 PM
if its the only planet in a fire, earth, water, or air sign, or in a mutable, cardinal or fixed sign or if its in a cadent, succedent or angular house------------------
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Lonake
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posted January 17, 2011 10:22 PM
Because the sun sign with the degree is fixed.
House cusps aren't so they're more open to interpretation.
Also there's a basic difference in how they're read.
Early degree of a sign = close to zero experience
Late degree of a sign = something that is strong and well developed, ease of experience
Early degree of a house = just opening the door and walking into the activities
Late degree of a house = Pooling all the knowledge learned to use in the next houseIP: Logged |
Moons Of Jupiter
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posted January 17, 2011 10:22 PM
So you're saying this would give it weight, then? For example, if my Mercury is in Leo (the only fixed sign) and my Venus is in Virgo (the only Earth sign?), then both of these influences will be strong in my chart? Everything else is in Cardinal and Mutable fire and water signs. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted January 17, 2011 10:25 PM
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Originally posted by Moons Of Jupiter:
So you're saying this would give it weight, then? For example, if my Mercury is in Leo (the only fixed sign) and my Venus is in Virgo (the only Earth sign?), then both of these influences will be strong in my chart? Everything else is in Cardinal and Mutable fire and water signs.
yes, the energy is concentrated on those planets so they are much stronger than other planets ------------------
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