posted February 02, 2011 06:00 AM            

Moon-Neptune
MO.NE.*
+ empathic . intuitive. sensitive. tender. future-oriented. highly imaginative or visionary. private; drawn to obscurities. opaque. sensitive to the weather. interested in metaphysical factors. Actress.
Private or obscure woman. Intuitive person. Keen instincts. Things or feelings out of the subconscious or unconscious. Dreamlike state or conditions. The future of the public. Sacrifices of the public or nation. Air. Water. Homeopathy.
- semiconscious or unconscious. touchy. easily swayed. disillusioned. unrealistic. needful of protection. secretive. ambiguous. unstable. unreliable. vulnerable. impersonal. prone to feelings of inferiority. prone to sleepwalk. allergy prone.
Secretive woman. Allergy proneness. Deceit, disillusionment, or disappointment in relation to the wife. Emotional uncertainty or insecurity. Weakness of a woman. Public deception. Losses of the public or a nation.

Midheaven-Neptune
MC.NE.*
+ intuitive. sensitive. empathic. highly imaginative. tender. mediumistic. daydreams. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors. impersonal. objective.
To be prepared for the future. Personal sacrifice. The unknown or unrecognized. My sensitivity. Metaphysical factors and me.
- deluded. unstable. insecure.
overly delicate. easily swayed. elusive. unreliable. vulnerable. needful of protection. weak. prone to feelings of inferiority. unrealistic.
Inward confusion. Personal uncertainty or disillusionment. To refuse to accept something. To deny. To go astray. To be deluded. Deceit.
Personal loss.

Midheaven-Moon-Neptune
MC.MO.NE.
+ tender. sensitive. empathic. highly imaginative. daydreams. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors. intuitive. hesitates. needful of protection. sensitive to the weather. responds well to homeopathy. capable at acting.
To prepare oneself for the future. Actor. Clairvoyant. Metaphysician.
- impressionable. deluded. indecisive. unrealistic. unclear; ambiguous. deceptive. confused. lacking in self-restraint. self-disparaging. allergy-prone. prone to sleep-walk. feeble. easily swayed.
My weak wife. Disillusionment due to the wife. To be reticent or secretive. To give up illusions. Deceit. Unconsciousness. Uncertain times. Ambiguity among the public. Losses.

I have Moon oppose Midheaven/Neptune midpoint in Right Ascension with 27 minute orb

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 02, 2011 09:19 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by letram:
infj cant be that rare if theres 3 in this topic so far

my lady is an INFJ

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posted February 02, 2011 09:30 AM            

INFJ Statistics

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool.
-Richard Feynman, Nobel-prize winning physicist

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I am tipping the sacred cow. I am callously up-ending one of the most cherished of INFJ notions -- the most enduring "INFJ Myth." Nevertheless, if one more person repeats that old saw about INFJs being the "rarest" of all the types, I will simply have to hold my breath until I turn purple.

Where are the facts that support this proposition? What is this famous mythology based on?

Is it based on David Keirsey's estimation of the type distribution?

Okay, fine. So how scientific are those figures? Where is the research it's based on? (Because there isn't any. We know that for a fact. David made the percentages up. He guessed.)

Okay, so maybe INFJ rarity is based on the statistics which are printed in the MBTI manual. That's reasonable. So where did they come from?

First, are we talking about the numbers Isabel Briggs-Myers estimated in 1957 based on the population of the school district where she conducted her studies?

Alright, so perhaps INFJ was the rarest type in that school. That doesn't mean by extension it's universally true everywhere.

So... perhaps rarity was determined after summarizing the figures according to that type survey they took in 1998. You know, the one where telephone solicitors called various households throughout the country. They contacted 16,000 people and used the results of 3,009. People were not given the opportunity to confirm their own best-fit preferences.

Perhaps INFJs (assuming they were correctly typed, of course) were the rarest of all the types for participating in such a survey? (I know I never participate in phone surveys.) So that's all that number reflects.

So if that study doesn't hold water... maybe we can rely on the statistics stored in CPP's computer that records all the MBTI scores. Hey, that's pretty solid evidence...

...until you concede that the instrument is only about 70% accurate according to its own manual, and the results which are stored have never been updated per anyone's validated type. (Thus, my INFJ girlfriend who tested on the MBTI as INTJ will forever be listed in CPP's databanks as having INTJ preferences, despite the inaccuracy. So that's at least one INFJ who's misrepresented in the database as another type... and I know she's not alone.)

So... it's possible the MBTI has the most trouble identifying INFJs accurately. But that doesn't tell us how many INFJs there actually are.

Then... aren't there any valid studies out there?

Well, there are at least two sources (I have two right in front of me) that reflect different types as the smallest percentages of the population.

One comes from Portraits of Type: An MBTI Research Compendium, by Avril Thorne and Harrison Gough. It claims I_FPs have the smallest representation.

The other was printed in the Journal of Psychological Type, Vol. 37, 1996. The authors are Allen Hammer and Wayne Mitchell and their figures are based on a study that was concluded in 1992. In that study, ENFJs have the smallest representation.

So not every study results in INFJ being the rarest type.

In fact, Sarah writes to tell us:

I attend a small liberal arts college in Salt Lake Utah, and in one of my classes they had each of us take a free version of the MBTI on-line. As it turned out, INFJ was the second most common test result in the class.
-Sarah

So much for being rare. I'm especially fond of this one:

here’s something else that’s unusual - there are 3 INFJ’s in my first class and 7 in my second… As an INFJ myself, I’ve learned that this personality type is EXTREMELY RARE, so to have so many of us gathered in one room is pretty cool.

She's determined to believe in the myth, despite the evidence right in front of her.

Notice how you never hear about those studies where other types are the smallest percentage -- you only hear that "INFJ is the rarest of all the types" (spoken in a prideful or dreamy tone). People are in LOVE with INFJs being the rarest type.

And this story has been perpetuated to death.

The bottom line is, we don't have accurate statistics about type breakdowns for the earth's population (or even the U.S. population). Any statistics you might trot out have serious drawbacks associated with them, and are at best estimates -- sometimes guesses -- of what people think.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
-Mark Twain

If "natural selection" were a valid theory, there should be 6.25% of each of the 16 types in the world -- an even distribution -- so that no one type is rarer than any other. But nobody knows for certain, since nobody has done an accurate personality type assessment of the entire population of the world, nor of a representative sample from all walks of life.

When one resorts to statistics, they lack reason.
-Rules of Flight, The Adventures of a Sci-Phi Pilot

Why am I making a fuss about this? It's because this is frequently the ONLY THING people remember about the INFJ personality type. So it attracts people who are desperate to be RARE -- to be special -- to be unique-est of all. Then people crow about this "rare" label and don't want to give it up, regardless of whether or not INFJ preferences really fit them.

Maybe you think I'm being bloody-minded. I mean, INFJs are out-of-step with the norm, so why shouldn't they revel in being unique and special? Why am I destroying the one thing INFJs can have a sense of pride about?

Well, Virginia, it's like this. Singling out INFJs (or any type pattern, for that matter) and calling them "rare" gives a subtle implication that this type is "better" somehow by virtue of its rarity -- and yet the very idea of "better" is exactly what we're trying to get away from by introducing a model of types in the first place. Fixating on "rarity" distracts us from leveling the playing field and laying to rest the idea of any type being "better" than the others. That's what true diversity is all about.

Labeling a type "rare" introduces a misguided element of rank and privilege that doesn't belong in the type model, and destroys the very thing type is designed to honor. It adds a disturbing element to the framework that creates a higher priority for being rare than to discover one's best-fit type pattern. Feeling special upstages matching the model accurately .

For instance, this was recently posted online by someone who just got an INFP score from a free online quiz:

Ok, this is admittedly the stupidest reaction EVER to an online quiz, but in all the many, many times I have taken a Myers-Briggs/Kirsey temperment based quiz I have always gotten INFJ. I like being an INFJ, because apparently we're so rare or something (which is funny because from all the results I've seen it's the opposite).

Even she recognizes the irony of the "rare INFJ" claim, and yet she's still in love with it...

Moreover, it's all predicated on faulty data, since nobody knows how rare any type is, including the INFJ type.

If you got sucked into the "being rare" thing, you might want to take another look to see whether or not the INFJ code fits you best. When your code is wrong, the whole notion of type feels pretty lame. You can say you're rare, but nothing else about being INFJ will feel right -- you're left with a feeling of emptiness whenever people describe INFJ type urges and hungers.

If you rely on this particular statistic to ratchet yourself into believing you are unique and "special," I regret to say it's worthless. And, frankly -- you don't need it anyway. You're unique and special regardless. All you require is giving yourself permission to believe it. And that, my friend, has nothing to do with statistics.

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Everything that you call reality, which is perception and cognition, and feeling, and behavior and biology and social interactions and personal relationships, are a direct result of who you think you are.
— Deepak Chopra

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After discussing this sacred INFJ cow of being rare recently, I realized that many INFJs experience the illusion of rarity. I think that's a different topic, and I say more about it here.

* * * http://www.infj.com/INFJ_Statistics.htm

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 02, 2011 09:38 AM            

I should know better than to put so much faith in psychology.

posted February 02, 2011 09:45 AM            

It will cost you a whopping ten bucks -- and don't tell me you can't afford it!
What did you pay for that computer you're surfing on right now??

This is one Telos publication I didn't work on and really wish I had, although I've helped it in other ways. Look for my name inside!

Let me tell you how this book is different from all other type descriptions you have likely read. The other type descriptions floating around (especially those on the internet, and I include Keirsey's) are based on hypothetical composites of what a particular type "looks like." So descriptions get colored (or romanticized) by author bias, or contaminated by author vocabulary. And bias is a problem, whether it's positive or negative.

Many descriptions portray INFJs more idealistically or glamorously than INFPs, attracting people to that pattern even when it doesn't fit! INFJs are made out to be upbeat go-getters, and INFPs are made out to be chronically depressed and disorganized.

My favorite bias is in Keirsey's remark: "The small number of this type (little more than 2 percent) is regrettable, since [INFJs] have an unusually strong desire to contribute to the welfare of others and genuinely enjoy helping their companions."

Ogod, now everyone wants to be a "regrettably rare" INFJ. (Didja know his wife's an INFJ? No wonder he waxes poetic about that type!) It doesn't take Einstein to figure out which type anyone would prefer to be -- especially INFPs who make value judgments reflexively! Let's just forget the many people who'd like to strangle INFJs for being ornery. Gah!

Linda's book is different because: a) it's based on 64 actual interviews with Real People who are clear examples of their type, and b) the descriptions are written using the very language of the people (types) interviewed. Then, to make it even better, the descriptions are offered in 3 different forms:

1.

a "snapshot" that briefly describes the type;
2.

a portrait that depicts the pattern by describing how other people see you; and
3.

a self-portrait, written as if spoken in first person, as if you yourself wrote it.

NO OTHER AUTHOR OFFERS THIS KIND OF REALITY-BASED TYPE DESCRIPTION!! So spend ten bucks and get one of the best Type tools around.

Then, when you have the descriptions in front of you, go through the INFP and INFJ descriptions with a hiliter and mark the sections that accurately describe YOU. (If you can't bear to deface the book, xerox the pages and mark up the copies.) No doubt you will hilite a portion of both descriptions. But when you are finished, one description will probably be more colored-in than the other, which provides a powerful clue about which type you likely are.

By the way, it's important to actually do this exercise with a marker in hand -- and not just do it "in your head." People -- especially iNtuiting types -- are notorious for mentally going through the motions, which leads them to inaccurately conclude their original hypothesis was correct or the exercise was useless. Break the cycle -- perform the assignment!

(Okay, if you're too cheap to buy a danged book, here are a few descriptions on the internet I can live with. But buy the book as soon as you can!)
http://www.infjorinfp.com/docs/TypeDescriptions.htm

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 02, 2011 10:05 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by mochai:
Thank-you Glaucus!

I should know better than to put so much faith in psychology.

I still however like the paradigm that infj represents.

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You're welcome

I do like the Myers Briggs/Kiersey stuff.

I am just skeptical of the statistics, and I wonder how they come up with the percentages.

I am even skeptical of Dr. Elaine Aron's assertion that high sensitivity is a trait that is found in 15 to 20 percent of people.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 02, 2011 11:52 AM            

Thank you so much for the replies everyone!

posted February 02, 2011 01:16 PM              

INTJ

http://keirsey.com/4temps/mastermind.asp

http://typelogic.com/intj.html

http://www.humanmetrics.com/vocation/JCI.asp?EI=-56&SN=-62&TF=0.6&JP=22

You are:

* moderately expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* slightly expressed thinking personality
* slightly expressed judging personality

Plutosquared, You tell me my philosophy lacks a human nature, For the most part, I agree with you, respectfully.

"Some question the existence of Feeling in this type, yet its unseen balance to Thinking is a cardinal dimension in the full measure of the INTJ's soul. "

Sun Conjunct Uranus
You are quite innovative and creative and can see new ways of doing things before other people do. If you can control your tendency to act rashly and impulsively, you will be able to accomplish a great deal.

INTJs enjoy developing unique solutions to complex problems.

Clarice, And Hanibal are INTJ, She did good with the eye work, So did he.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjGpcEA-FyE

Moriarty, INTJ-- It is in the eyes, Well Played.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsiE8ABiztU

*Note: If you see a glimmer of pain in moriarty's eyes, It is, because, It is there.

posted February 02, 2011 01:22 PM            

Seems everyone on LL is "N," (intuitive), as we're all interested in psychology related.

posted February 02, 2011 01:34 PM              

Choose a wise life for yourself, my fellow INTJ's.

But, You understand this, just as well as me.
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"Although people do change, the core is always the same"

Yes, agreed, deep down, never really changes.

posted February 02, 2011 02:07 PM            

But mostly, I get ENFJ or ENFP.

posted February 02, 2011 02:16 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Mine changes each time I take a test, and it's one of those things where some of the questions are really hard to answer accurately.

But mostly, I get ENFJ or ENFP.

Makes sense with my chart--I'm Leo Sun-Mercury in the 8th/Cancer Moon/Capricorn Rising.

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yeah
I struggle answering the questions because I am having a lot "but's" and "it depends on"
and "if I am in the mood" and as well as the type of people and my overall surroundings

I feel that I can be quite the judgmental type and not just a perceiving type.

The INFP just seems more idealistic, and I am.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 02, 2011 02:19 PM              

Use the first answer that comes to mind.

No but's, No if's.

posted February 02, 2011 02:25 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Mblake81:
Take it on a good day, when you are not feeling stressed.

Use the first answer that comes to mind.

Not but's, No if's.

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my mind doesn't work that way

I tend to see alternative views on things

I had problems taking a psychological test
when I had psychiatric evaluation when I was in the navy

There were true and false questions

one of them said

"I am concerned about my mental health."

I thought
well..if I say true, then that would mean that I am confirming that I have reason to be concerned about my mental health leading me to a get a certain psychiatric diagnosis

if I say false, then that would mean that I don't care about my mental health which could also be a confirmation that I don't care about myself which can factor into a psychiatric diagnosis

I forgot which one I picked. This was back in August of 1999.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 02, 2011 03:46 PM            

quote:

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Take it on a good day, when you are not feeling stressed.
Use the first answer that comes to mind.

Not but's, No if's.

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My mind doesn't work that way either. If the question is at all subjective, there are multiple answers that can be true.

Even something as apparently factual as a number sequence can have multiple answers and possibilities.

I'm someone who's very interested in linguistics and philosophy--a label like "shy" can have many possible interpretations, connotations, and meanings...the way personality traits play out in each person's life and thinking is deeply complex and not fixed.

I think it's why my scores on intelligence tests are freakishly high or freakishly low. My thinking style is not a good match for those tests.

posted February 02, 2011 05:12 PM            

i took the test several times and the only change is that now i'm less extrovert, lol. i use to score 'very high' and now i score 'moderate'

i have a very high N like all of you here

my T score is also very high although i'm a highly sensitive person. when i asked the guy that tested me (a psychologist), he said that a high score is usually an overcompensation for the fact that we somehow 'struggle' with the opposite dimension, in my case, F

posted February 02, 2011 08:14 PM            

i don't agree that hannibal and clarice are INTJ's necesarily though.

Michael, quite possibly.

i also relate to michael character, i watched that film at a young age, it sounds quite silly, but actually, when i watched The Godfather, i found i could relate to Michael in ways that i myself never realized i was even like in the first place. in other words, i feel his character influenced my own choices on how to handle things and be.

you'd be surprised how many other NON intj types are very much like the characters you mention, hence i don't agree they are necessarily INTJ's, but close in type atleast.

what im curious to understnad between us INTJ's in this topic,

is astrological relation.

where do our charts relate? do they at all?

people are usually surprised to see a triple fire (ASC, Sun, Moon, and .. South Node) in fire signs, be an Introvert that i am, an INTJ. although i can certainly say that even though i am, i feel more than capable being extrovert with others.

its things like this that help me realize that , Astrology does not dictate fate, we make our choices, astrology just decides what themes they will be made in.

in my opinion, i suspect the following signs - related houses/planets, being influence to craft an INTJ personality:

Uraanus/Aquarius/11th house -

this is the part that lends the desire to solve issues, with New ideas, theories. thinking. (this is air energy) - key words - discover, invent, ideas, science. this might also lend a hand in explaining INTJ's introvert nature.

Saturn/Capricorn/10th house -

this energy likely crafts the "strategic" energy INTJ's forumalate ideas and plans with. but also self control, control, reserved, introvert. (think capricorn / saturn - inhibitation, contained) lack of emotional nature/feelng. also this would cover the Judging part that is clearlty a part of Earth's nature and energy.

i don't have time to write more right now but i would further say this for now:

i think the themes is

Fire and Earth, and some air.

i have Sun trine uranus

venus square saturn and uranus

moon in aries square saturn in capricorn..

posted February 02, 2011 08:24 PM              

This was taken from the middle webpage (bottom), from my original post.

INTJ

Fictional:
Cassius (Julius Caesar)
Mr. Darcy (Pride and Prejudice)
Gandalf the Grey (J. R. R. Tolkein's Middle Earth books)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs)
Professor Moriarty, Sherlock Holmes' nemesis
Ensign Ro (Star Trek--the Next Generation)
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern (Hamlet)
George Smiley, John le Carre's master spy
Clarice Starling (Silence of the Lambs)

Famous INTJs:
Susan B. Anthony
Lance Armstrong
Arthur Ashe, tennis champion
Augustus Caesar (Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus)
Jane Austen (Pride and Prejudice)
Dan Aykroyd (The Blues Brothers)
William J. Bennett, "drug czar"
William F. Buckley, Jr.
Raymond Burr (Perry Mason, Ironsides)
Chevy Chase (Cornelius Crane) (Fletch)
Katie Couric
Phil Donahue
Michael Dukakis, governor of Mass., 1988 U.S. Dem. pres. candidate
Richard Gere (Pretty Woman)
Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor
Greg Gumbel, television sportscaster
Hannibal, Carthaginian military leader
Veronica Hamel (Hill Street Blues)
Angela Lansbury (Murder, She Wrote)
Orel Leonard Hershiser, IV
Peter Jennings
Charles Everett Koop
Ivan Lendl
C. S. Lewis (The Chronicles of Narnia)
Joan Lunden
Edwin Moses, U.S. olympian (hurdles)
Martina Navratilova
Michelle Obama
General Colin Powell, former US Secretary of State
Charles Rangel, US Representative, D-N.Y.
Pernell Roberts (Bonanza)
Donald Rumsfeld, former US Secretary of Defense
Hillary Clinton, US Secretary of State
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Governor of California
Josephine Tey (Elizabeth Mackintosh), mystery writer (Brat Farrar)

U.S. Presidents:
Chester A. Arthur
Calvin Coolidge
Thomas Jefferson
John F. Kennedy
James K. Polk
Woodrow Wilson

First Ladies: <----- Added by me

Michelle Obama
Hillary Clinton

No Michael Corleon, But the video, still serves a purpose.

# Sun in the Third House
# Sun in Scorpio
# Sun Conjunct Uranus

posted February 02, 2011 08:32 PM            

You have a real knack for these types of things....astrology, mbti, spiritual matters etc.

I never realized that my moon square neptune aspect could be that strong nor did I realize that Neptune square my MC could cause me to be more sensitive and/or idealistic, at least not in "ordinary" circumstances...I though it just pertained to the work environment.

You're correct though, I do receive other people's emotional energies, it's almost like they stick to me,but I'm not a psychic vampire though. I've been told by certain people that actually I energize them. Which is a very good thing

I'm still trying to grasp the "real meaning" I guess, behind the midheaven.

That's cool that you have the same aspect, so you would definitely understand what it's like to have it.

I also have a couple of interesting quindeciles 165'. Jupiter quindecile Neptune and Neptune quindecile Ascendant
but I don't understand quindeciles well enough to put them among my aspects.

posted February 02, 2011 08:33 PM            

We have quite a few things in common in our charts. That's really cool.

At least we shouldn't have as many misunderstanding as I do with other people.

Thank you for pointing out everything you pointed out. You definitely helped me to gain a better understanding of where the INFP traits were coming from.

I guess my brain doesn't want to think that I'm "worthy" of being INFP

Now I'm curious about cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers...(Gemini rising 29 )

I think I'm going to go look them up.

Thank you again....you're a very nice person... I hope I didn't type too much here.... I can get carried away sometimes...

quote:

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

Your Moon in Virgo square Neptune indicates an extremely sensitive emotional nature that can be a psychic/emotional sponge,and it also can indicate an idealistic nature

I have the same aspect, but my Moon is in Pisces

Your Neptune square Midheaven indicates an extremely sensitive and idealistic nature

The cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers believe that the Midheaven was the most important and personal point in the Chart. They believe that it represents the aim in life, ego-consciousness, "The I"

Your Moon conjunct the Imum Coeli indicates a highly emotional,sensitive nature too.
Moon conjunct the Imum Coeli is a powerful lunar influence. Moon conjunct any angle indicates a highly emotional,sensitive nature.
Neptune squaring that Moon-Imum Coeli conjunction makes that Moon-Imum Coeli conjunction more sensitive as well as idealistic.

Therefore, it's no wonder that you can relate to INFP.

you may have other aspects that can ultrasensitivity like transneptunian dwarf planet/candidates (Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Varuna,Ixion)or its nodes (heliocentric,geocentric) in aspect to Sun,Moon,Ascendant/Descendant,Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis

You also have Sun,Mercury,Mars,and Uranus in Scorpio which is a watersign. You have strong watersign influence. Watersigns are associated with emotions,feelings,sensitivity.
That can factor into the INFP as well.

I have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio as well as Moon in Pisces. Therefore, I have a strong watersign influence too.

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posted February 02, 2011 08:49 PM              

Al Pacino, Has never, Will never, express that energy. *I have nothing against Al Pacino, nothing.

That energy is Cerebral, in a sense.

Please, This is only my opinion.

posted February 02, 2011 08:58 PM            

Letram,

I've also seen many INTJ sites list Hannibal & Clarice as INTJ's. Afterall, INTJ's are the supreme strategists. Being strategic not only means thinking up ways, but those methods must have sound structure & be practical enough to execute in a functional way. Hence Hannibal is able to effectively get out of a ditch situation despite being locked up. Clarice is able to keep up, just one step behind him when other agents couldnt, cuz she understands his mind to a good extent. Other "IN--" types are idealistic too, but arent as effective as --TJ's, when it comes to practical execution. That's why many CEO's & strategic field marshalls like Napoleon are often ENTJ's. They are simply the outgoing versions of INTJ's. That's why many INFJ/INFP's tend to be psychiatrists & councellors instead. They too are good with psychology/philosophy but the info is applied in a feeling method, whereas --TJ's apply it into structures of making things work in the physical world.

posted February 02, 2011 09:45 PM              

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