posted October 09, 2012 12:57 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Hera:
That's more or less how I see them, too. Except for the empty channels/gates thing. It is said if you have an empty channel and you interact with someone with a defined channel, then YOU act like a mirror for them. Did you read that excerpt when someone was seated in front of a Reflector (has all chart undefined) and after a few moments started to cry? I wouldn't say the defined person is indifferent. I actually don't know who feels it more.. Bahh, it's the same as with the astro, can never tell for sure who feels what/more.

EDIT: actually it just stroke me that perhaps the Black person (Conscious) will be more aware of the influence, while the Red/Pink (depending on the program you use) person - Unconscious - will feel it, but won't be quite aware of the chemistry.

---

Yes, I was thinkin too that maybe it needs to be taken into account if one person is unconscious and the other concious. Definitely makes sense to me.

So one more thing to consider.

posted October 09, 2012 01:21 PM            

***Shared Open Gates:

-Gate 12 of Standstill (both conscious)
-Gate 21 of Control (mine conscious, his unconscious)
-Gate 48 The Gate of the Well (mine conscious, his unconscious) -- oddly, when we met, Gate 16 (Enthusiasm was open), forming channel 16/48 of Talent with both our charts.
-Gate 34 of Power (both unconscious) -- when we met, channel 20 was open, forming channel of Keeping Busy with both our charts
-Gate 9 of Applied Details (mine mixed, his unconscious)
-Gate 58 of Joyous Vitality (both unconscious)

Complementary Gates

-my conscious 12 (Standstill) with his conscious 22 (Grace) forming Channel of Openness (his is active, mine not)
-his unconscious 45 (Gathering together) with my conscious 21 (Control) forming the Channel of Money (his is active, mine isn't)
-my conscious 10 (Behavior) with his mixed 57 (Gentleness) forming Channel of Survival (neither of us has it active natally)
-my conscious 10 (Behavior) with his unconscious 34 (Power) forming Channel of Exploration (I have it active, he doesn't)
-my unconscious 34 (Power) with his mixed 57 (Gentleness) forming the Channel of Power (he has it, I don't)
-his unconscious 9 (Applied details) with my unconscious 52 (Mountain) forming the Channel of Concentration (I have it, he doesn't)
-my unconscious 49 (Revolution) with his conscious 19 (Approach) forming the Channel of Sensitivity (neither has it active)
-his conscious 18 (Improving) with my unconscious 58 (Joyousness) forming the Channel of Judgement (he has it active, I don't).

posted October 09, 2012 01:50 PM            

Also, I was thinking, maybe it is also descriptive WHICH centres are active in an interaction?
Like for example if the throat or mind centre is esp. active, there might be communication highlighted, and with the sacral centre, there might be quite considerable sexual attraction?

And with the last ones you mean, that ONLY through your interaction you have that channel active, right?

I especially like the last one, the channel of sensitivity (so much for "no vanilla" ).

It connectst the ROOT With the EMOTIONS, that sounds to me like possibly a very instinctual, primal emotional connection. Or am I misinterpreting this one?

posted October 09, 2012 02:42 PM            

shared open gates
gate 12 of Standstill - both conscious
(throat)

gate 9 of applied details - conscious for him, mixed for me
(sacral)

gage 32 of duration - conscious for him, unconscious for me
(spleen)

complementary gates

° my unconscious 64 (diverse possibility) with his unconscious 47 (realization) forming channel of Abstract Thinking
(mind to crown)
- neither has it natally

° my conscious 11 (harmony) with his mixed 56 (wanderer) forming channel of curiosity (mind-throat)
- he has it natally

° my mixed 34 (power ) with his conscious 10 (behavious ) forming channel of exploration (self – sacral)
- neither has it natally

° my mixed 34 (power ) with his unconscious 57 (gentle ) forming channel of power (sacral – spleen)
- neither has it natally

° my conscious 16 (selectivity) with his unconscious 48 (Well) forming channel of talent (throat-spleen)
- neither has it natally

°my mixed 37 (family ) with his mixed 40 (deliverance ) forming channel of community (emotions – heart)
- he has it natally

° my unconscious (conflictresolution) with his conscious 59 (intimacy) forming channel of connecting (emotions – sacral)
- he has it natally

° my mixed 58 (joyous vitality ) with his unconscious 18 (improving) ) forming channel of judgement (spleen to root)
- I have it natally

also

° my unconscious channel of versatility (35&36) overlays an empty channel of his (throat – emotions)

new channels formed between us
64/47 - ABSTRACT THINKING
34/10 - EXPLORATION
34/57 - POWER
16/48 - TALENT

posted October 09, 2012 03:18 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW what do you mean when you say when you met a certain channel was open?
ARen`t they fixed?

---

They are. I meant the First Meeting Chart.

And.. wait. My brain just exploded a little. THIS is OUR Davison chart

posted October 09, 2012 04:00 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Hera:
They both took me by surprise! I don't have either gates, nor the channel active. You would think I'd expect the sexual part, but actually I didn't think of him in those terms in the beginning. Then came some sexual hints, then came the emotional overflow and now I am pretty attracted sexually too. And he's not even my type (as in very manly)!
He on the other hand, has an open 59, so the sexual part didn't surprise him. But it would seem the emotional intensity did..

---

Yes, that makes sense.

Which other channels are important for relationships, do you think?

posted October 09, 2012 05:12 PM            

How do you input the info to get the Davison chart? Thanks

Hera, is this a new relationship? Do you think he's the one?

posted October 10, 2012 02:24 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, that makes sense.

Which other channels are important for relationships, do you think?

---

Oh my gosh I don't know! lol That channel of sensitivity doesn't sound bad at all, or that channel of community! But it really depends on what you have going on in your chart.

posted October 10, 2012 02:29 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Interesting thread! Hera and Ceri, you seem to have gotten the hang of it really well.

How do you input the info to get the Davison chart? Thanks

Hera, is this a new relationship? Do you think he's the one?

---

Linda,

posted October 10, 2012 05:07 AM            

It also mentions something I have been thinking of yesterday, that added to the completing channels it might be important to look if there is a flow of energy connecting all or most centres with each other if you combine two charts.

Excerpt from the mentioned article:

"The four main areas of Connection in Human Design

Electromagnetics

The obvious instant connection when you meet someone is when "sparks fly between you." This comes about when one person has one side of a channel (* see December 2000 article) and the other person has the other side. This is called an "electromagnetic" connection. When the two people meet, the energy combines to define the whole channel and the energies flow between the two centers. It can feel like a rush of energy in an otherwise quiet part of one's being. The more of these connections there are in a relationship, the more sparks fly. This can be very exciting, but too many of these connections bring a point when the relationship overheats!

Friendship

When both partners in a relationship have the same gate or channel activation in their own design, the two combine in an area of friendship within the relationship. It is as though both parties are looking through the same window at the same view in their lives. Friendship leads to empathy and having several friendship connections potentially strengthens the harmony in relationships.

Dominion

When one partner has an entire channel defined and the other partner has nothing in that channel, the partner with the definition has dominion in that area. This is a particular unique energy that your partner brings which you do not share in, but you may admire, appreciate or perhaps, simply tolerate. When you are the one who has the dominion channel in your design, it is helpful for you to be aware of the effect it has on your partner, i.e. you bring something to the relationship that your partner may be aware of, but in which they may not be able to participate.

Compromise

posted October 10, 2012 12:59 PM            

This is what I got:

Type : Generator
Profile: 2 / 4
Not Self Theme: Frustration
Strategy: To Respond
Definition: Single Definition
Inner Authority: Sacral
Incarnation Cross: Right Angle Cross of The Four Ways (33/19 | 24/44)

I found some info on the generator type and the 2-4 profile, but cannot seem to find any useful information on the 'Cross of the Four Ways'. All I found was some podcast thats extremely long and slow. Also, I don't understand the gates or how to read the chart.

posted October 10, 2012 01:26 PM            

------------------
Gabby

quote:

---

"Leo saturn in 10th house= im a professional goofball, working for smiles!"

---

posted October 10, 2012 01:48 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Lightning Strike:
Here you get Gates from 1-32...

Gate 1 – the creative: creation as a primal force. the energy potential to manifest inspiration without limitation.
Gate 2 – the receptive: receptivity as the primal base through which any response is determined. the root of action
Gate 3 – difficulty at the beginning: the fundamental challenge of initiation is to transcend confusion and establish order.
Gate 4 – youthful folly: the energy to beguile and succeed despite ignorance. freedom from retribution
Gate 5 – waiting: the fundamental attunement to natural rhythms. waiting as an active state of awareness
Gate 6 – Conflict: the fundamental design component of progress. the law that growth cannot exist without friction.
Gate 7 – the army: the point of convergence. by design, the need for leadership to guide and order society
Gate 8 – holding together: the basic worth realized in contributing individual efforts to group goals
Gate 9 – the taming power of the small: potential can be fulfilled through detailed attention to all pertinent aspects.

Gate 10 – treading: the underlying code of behaviour which ensures sucessful interaction despite circumstances.
Gate 11 – peace: a harmonic condition in the individual or society that permits assessment before renewed action.
Gate 12 – standstill: the quality of restraint and the importance of meditation and inaction in confronting temptation
Gate 13 – the fellowship of man: universal ideas and values in an ordered framework which inspires humanistic cooperation.
Gate 14 – Possession in great measure: The accumulation and retention of power through skilled interaction, coupling grace with control
Gate 15 – modesty: the quality of behaviour which expresses the proper balance between extremes
Gate 16 – Enthusiasm: the great art of enriching life by the harmonic channelling of energy.
Gate 17 – Following: the ancient law that those who wish to rule must know how to serve
Gate 18 – work on what has been spoilt: the vigilance and determination to uphold and defend basic and fundamental human rights
Gate 19 – Approach: That all things are interrelated is apparent and manifested through the action of approach.

Gate 20 – contemplation: tecognition and awareness in the now which transforms understandin into right action
Gate 21 – biting through: the justified and necessary use of power in overcoming deliberte and persistent interference
Gate 22 – grace: a quality of behaviour best suited in handling mundane and trival situations
Gate 23 – splitting apart: Amorality. the awareness and understanding which leads to the acceptance of diversity.
Gate 24 – returning: the natural and spontaneous process of transformation and renewal.
Gate 25 – innocence: ahe perfection of action through uncontrived and spontaneous nature
Gate 26 – the taming power of the great: the maximization of the power of memory applied to the nurturing of continuity
Gate 27 – nourishment: the enhancement of the quality and the substance of all activities through caring
Gate 28 – predonderance of the great: the transitoriness of power and influence
Gate 29 – the abysmal: the deep within the deep. persistence despite difficulties has its inevitable rewards

Gate 30 – the clinging fire: Freedom recognized as an illusion and limitation accepted as a fate.
Gate 31 – influence: the law of friction, whether active or passive, that engenders transference and thus influence.
Gate 32 – duration: the only thing which endures is change

And 33 - 64
Gate 33 – retreat: active withdrawal and the transformation of a weak position into a strength
Gate 34 – the power of the great: power is only great when its display or use serves the common good
Gate 35 – progress: by design, progress cannot exist in a vacuum and is dependent on interaction
Gate 36 – the darkening of the light: the rule of cycles in which decline is a natural but not enduring stage
Gate 37 – the family: the manifestation macro- and micro cosmically of the organic nature of communities
Gate 38 – opposition: the ability to preserve individual integrity through opposition to detrimental forces
Gate 39 – obstruction: The value of obstruction in provoking analysis, assessment and reevaluation.

Gate 40 – deliverance: the point of transition between struggle and liberation
Gate 41 – decrease: the limitation of resources which maximizes development of potential
Gate 42 – increase: the expansion of the resources which maximizes the development of full potential
Gate 43 – breakthrough: in order for achievement to be maintained a new order must be fairly established
Gate 44 – Coming to meet: The success of any ineraction is based on the absence of any preconditions.
Gate 45 – gathering together: the natural and generally beneficial attraction of like forces
Gate 46 – pushing upward: good fortune that may be perceived as the result of serendipity but derives from effort and dedication
Gate 47 – oppression: a restrictive and adverse state as a result of internal weakness or external strength or both
Gate 48 – the well: the necessary and qualitative foundation that is a prerequisite to establish the common good
Gate 49 – Revolution: Ideally the transformation of forms based on the highest principles and not simply for power.

Gate 50 – the cauldron: the value of historical continuity whose traditional values serve and enrich the present and the future
Gate 51 – the arousing: the ability to respond to disorder and shock through recognition and adaptation
Gate 52 – keeping still (mountain): temporary and self-imposed inaction for the benefit of assessment
Gate 53 – development: development as a structured progression that is both steadfast and enduring
Gate 54 – the marrying maiden: interaction in ist mundane social context but also one΄s mystical and cosmic relationships
Gate 55 – abundance: abundance is strictly a question of spirit
Gate 56 – the wanderer: stability through movement. the perpetuation of continuity through the linking of short term activity.
Gate 57 – the gentle: the extraordinary power of clarity
Gate 58 – the joyous: stimulation is the key to joy
Gate 59 – dispersion: the ability to break down barriers to achieve union

Gate 60 – limitation: the acceptance of limitation is the first step in transcendence
Gate 61 – Inner truth: the awareness of universal underlying principles
Gate 62 – preponderance of the small: caution, patience and detail produce excellence out of limitation.
Gate 63 – After completion: In the spiral of life all ends are beginnings
Gate 64 – before comletion: transition, like birth, requires a determined strength for the passage through.

This is the foundation for each gate.
The Conscious Sun, Conscious Earth, along with the Unconscious Sun and Unconscious Earth, those 4 gates make up the Incarnation Cross.
For example, my Conscious Sun and Earth are 2 and 1, with the Unconscious being 13 and 7. That would make me a Right Angle Cross of the Sphinx (2/1, 13/7).

---

I'm stealing these so i dont have to keep going back and forth!! TY!! Love this thread!!

------------------
Gabby

quote:

---

"Leo saturn in 10th house= im a professional goofball, working for smiles!"

---

posted October 10, 2012 01:51 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by Hera:
Linda,

You can basically do any chart for which you have a date, a time and a place. You can't look into HD composite, but Davison works. I simply input the date shown by astro.com as the birth of the Davison.
Yeah, it's new, but not sure if it's gonna continue. Most likely, he is not the one lol. But he was verrrry interesting, though.

---

Thanks, Hera, for explaining.
Re: this one not being "the one," I think it's good you are able to recognize it early. Saves a lot of time and energy, imo
.
What Ceri said ...
.
"Well sometimes the "One right now" is totally sufficient. "
.
... totally made me smile, 'cause I absolutely agree!