posted March 24, 2011 04:35 AM            

I can't think of many manly air sign men at all. They have this gracefulness and refined/sensitive/passive/indecisive demeanor that makes it impossible for me to think of them as too manly. Though I do think Water sign men look more manly on the exterior, they certainly have a certain femininity about them nonetheless, and they most certainly aren't very manly once you get to know them lol. Whether it is in their vulnerable expression, or their cuddly ways, though they look sturdier, less graceful, and less refined than air sign men they no doubt cannot compare to the manliness of the earth and fire sign men. Fire sign men are the most manly in my opinion, but earth sign men have a certain solidarity that makes them look manlier than the water and air sign men. That makes sense because fire and earth are less changeable than air and water. Earth signs look like they are rooted to a spot in the ground when they stand, until they decide to move to another spot in the ground. Fire signs I find are the same except they look like they change spots much more frequently lol. And air and water signs kind of look like they're just floating over the ground, lost in their own little world. So it makes sense. Earth sign men have a certain shyness to them, and a certain vulnerability in their eyes that reminds me of water sign men and makes me think they are not that manly. But, I still do think they are manlier than air and water men.

Except for maybe Taurus women and a few Leo women I know, Earth and Fire women are not very feminine to me. I can think of quite a few examples, though I'll probably be posting pictures sometime this week; I don't have time right now.
Air sign women are not particularly feminine, and definitely not more feminine than water sign women, but they are more feminine than the fire sign women who, though, admittedly, scorching hot, have tomboy personalities.

posted March 24, 2011 04:46 AM            

Now... not EVERY woman with Fire or Earth look manly. I have seen a lot of Water and Air women looking manly and Fire and Earth looking feminine. I am Cancer with Scorpio Rising. I don't look manly nor feminine. When I say Scorpio, I don't look at Mars as a planet, but as Pluto as planet. I do have piercing starring, the misterious look but my body is pretty Cancerian. Round face, curved etc. It depends also on genetics.

posted March 24, 2011 04:56 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
I think you see Emma Watson as feminine because you're not comparing her to the water sign women.

When you think of manly water sign women...are you thinking only of scorpios?

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Nope. I have seen Water sing women with fire or air rising and they were skinny, no curved body. But also, look at Kristen Stewart. She's Aries with Cancer Rising. She's pretty manly. So it depends.

No. Too me, the most manliest sign is Aries if we are talking about men. If we talk about women, the manliest is Saggitarius. I had a friend with Ssaggitarius Sun and Cancer Rising and she was not feminine. At All.

posted March 24, 2011 05:15 AM            

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Originally posted by blugrey:
Haha - I've never found Virgo men to be fem.

I think it's all about synastry and your own chart. Everyone has their own opinions.

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posted March 24, 2011 05:35 AM            

Elsa Pataky
Petra Nemcova
Sophia Bush
Ashley Greene
Liv Tyler
Elizabeth Taylor
Jessica Simpson

More masculine scorpio women (they even have deeper voices lawlz)
Demi Moore
Katy Perry
Famke Jansen
Diana Krall
Goldie Hawn
Jamie Lee Curtis
Roseanne Barr (from that show "Roseanne" )

---non-Taurean earth sign women---
Agnes Bruckner
Beyonce
Pink
Zooey Deschanel
cate blanchett (taurus, actually)
Kristen johnston
Salma Hayek
Ricki Lake
Amy Winehouse
Alexis Bledel
Kirstie Alley (from it takes two)
Jody Foster

---air sign women---
Denise Richards
Marilyn Monroe
Hilary Duff
Ashlee Simpson
Alicia silverstone
Katherine zeta-jones
Heathet locklear
Julie andrews
Judy garland
Lisa marie presley
Molly ringwald (from sixteen candles)
Brooke Shields
Paris Hilton
Adriana lima
Heidi Klum
Jewel
Molly sims
Natalie portman

Then again there are a lot of tomboyish air and water signs too

Neve campbell
Ellen degeneres obviously lol
Angelina Jolie
Lindsay lohan
Jennette mccurdy (sam from iCarly)
Oprah Winfrey
Leah remini
Kathleen turner
Nicole kidman
Leelee sobieski
Paula abdul
Sally ride
Avril lavigne
Jenna elfman

posted March 24, 2011 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Nope. I have seen Water sing women with fire or air rising and they were skinny, no curved body. But also, look at Kristen Stewart. She's Aries with Cancer Rising. She's pretty manly. So it depends.

No. Too me, the most manliest sign is Aries if we are talking about men. If we talk about women, the manliest is Saggitarius. I had a friend with Ssaggitarius Sun and Cancer Rising and she was not feminine. At All.

The most feminine sign in men is Virgo and in women is Cancer.

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I actually agree with all of this except that a cancer woman could ever really be masculine. The most masculine cancer women i can think of are kathy bates, michelle rodriguez, and missy elliot but in interviews I remember them being very feminine regardless of the roles they play on tv.

True that probably the manliest fire sign women are sagittarius, but i do think aries women look manlier though their personality is actually more girly. However, i think for both, in fact all three, their movements no matter how femininely they dress or how well they care of themselves (like for example reese witherspoon or mabdy moore) I still think their movements scream tomboy.

posted March 24, 2011 06:45 AM            

I like earthy men and women looks wise.
But it's all subjective. My Venus/Mars are in earth.

When it comes to men -- If I have to go by Sun Sign - I'm often sexually attracted to Pisces men (water), Leo men and Sagittarius men (fire).

posted March 24, 2011 06:57 AM            

I would say *water* influence!

posted March 24, 2011 09:13 AM            

My sister is gemini and shes opp of me (masc body, femi face)

posted March 24, 2011 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Rosalind,where did u find data for Gaga's chart? So,she is Sag Asc?

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posted March 24, 2011 10:29 AM            

Sophia Loren (Virgo w/ Capricorn Rising)
Rose McGowan (Virgo - birth time unknown)
Emmy Rossum (Virgo - birth time unknown)
Carla Bruni (Capricorn w/Cancer Rising)
Ava Gardner (Capricorn w/Leo Rising)
Kristin Kreuk (Capricorn- birth time unknown)
Shannen Doherty (Aries w/Virgo Rising)
Claudia Cardinale (Aries w/Taurus Rising)
Betty Davis (Aries w/Scorpio Rising)
Halle Berry (Leo w/Libra Rising)
Audrey Tautou (Leo w/Virgo Rising)
Evangeline Lilly (Leo- birth time unknown)
Scarlett Johannson (Sagittarius w/Sag Rising)

nah, okay now I have enough. You get my point.
I just wonder how and why these women are manly (looking or behaving? Still not clear) to you.
Two of the most 'manly' women in my life are a Pisces and a Cancer. So, not all water signs are hyperfeminine either.

posted March 24, 2011 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
I'm not quite sure that I understand what 'masculine' and 'feminine' qualities are for you. Are you talking about behaviour? About looks? I am confused because most of the women you listed in the 'Manly' earth sign category do not look manly to me or have manly mannerisms. What the hell is manly about Beyonce or Salma Hayek (Alexis Bledel??)? What is feminity to you? I don't really understand why you think these women are manly....
I can think of plenty of feminine earth and fire women---

Sophia Loren (Virgo w/ Capricorn Rising)
Rose McGowan (Virgo - birth time unknown)
Emmy Rossum (Virgo - birth time unknown)
Carla Bruni (Capricorn w/Cancer Rising)
Ava Gardner (Capricorn w/Leo Rising)
Kristin Kreuk (Capricorn- birth time unknown)
Shannen Doherty (Aries w/Virgo Rising)
Claudia Cardinale (Aries w/Taurus Rising)
Betty Davis (Aries w/Scorpio Rising)
Halle Berry (Leo w/Libra Rising)
Audrey Tautou (Leo w/Virgo Rising)
Evangeline Lilly (Leo- birth time unknown)
Scarlett Johannson (Sagittarius w/Sag Rising)

nah, okay now I have enough. You get my point.
I just wonder how and why these women are manly (looking or behaving? Still not clear) to you.
Two of the most 'manly' women in my life are a Pisces and a Cancer. So, not all water signs are hyperfeminine either.

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The only women that seem feminine to me from that list are Ava Gardner, Carla Bruni, Evangeline Lilly, and Sophia Loren

I can think of two other non-taurean earth women (to me most taurus women are feminine) who are feminine Kristin Callavari and Kate Bosworth.

But it seems that feminine earth women are more rare.

And if you need to know what my standard of femininity is, look at the two most feminine signs in the Zodiac, pisces and cancer

Cancer women http://www.librarising.com/astrology/sunsigns/sunincancerfemale.html

Pisces women http://www.librarising.com/astrology/sunsigns/suninpiscesfemale.html

Some exceptions: Sharon Stone, Laura Prepon, Queen Latifah, patricia heaton, teena marie, liza minelli, ali larter, and brooke burns (all pisces women)

And for the person that noted that Libra women are actually quite masculine---I agree. To my surprise Libra women are indeed more masculine than I thought after looking into it a little bit for the purposes of this thread. That Libra men are not masculine, I also (very obviously) agree with too. The reason why I think this is is because Libra is the sign of the feminist, I read that somewhere. So what i notice is that the women want to show that they can do whatever men can, and the men believe that women and men should be treated equally....therefore they avoid having macho personalities, and opt instead for acting like a more refined, socially graceful man.