posted March 26, 2011 05:40 PM            

What exactly are the "fame indicators" in a natal chart? My understanding was that a planet would conjunct the MC in either the 9th, or 10th house. Now I've run across Venus in the 2nd being a fame indicator, and kind of weirdly, Saturn in the 11th!(?) Is there a list somewhere? Is it a combination of factors that indicate fame in a natal?

posted March 27, 2011 09:47 AM            

You need to look at house 1 (self) and house 11 (Fame/social groups) rulers in relation to each other. The slower moving the planets, the stronger the house is. Capricorn is probably the best for fame with Saturn ruling the 1st and Pluto ruling the more important 11th.

posted March 27, 2011 12:12 PM            

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Originally posted by 5Gemini:
I believe Oprah and Elvis both have Venus 2nd House

Both their Venus conjunct Mercury, however Elvis's Venus trine MC. Oprah's Mercury 2nd House trine MC...

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posted March 27, 2011 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
No, not 10th house. Fame is house 11.

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posted March 27, 2011 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
No, you look at the house ruler, not in the house.

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posted March 27, 2011 03:13 PM            

If you want to see how a persons fame is now, you look at house ruler 1 in transit to natal 11th ruler, and house ruler 11 in transit to natal 1st house ruler.

posted March 27, 2011 03:19 PM            

1) Lots of aspects between personal planets/points and generation planets. Ie: ASC conjunct Pluto.

2) Planets at Aries Point (0 Aries) or square it (0 degrees of cardinal signs). I myself have Venus conjunct AP (29 Pisces) but I'm not famous so.

Regarding coffee's theory: ASC ruler (Mercury) is sextile 11th house ruler (Mars). Mars is in Sag in my 7th, if you use whole sign houses (6th with Placidus).

posted March 27, 2011 03:38 PM            

oh, Tchaikovsky has heavy 11th

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posted March 27, 2011 03:40 PM            

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posted April 21, 2012 05:37 AM            

Justin Timberlake has no planets in 10 and 11 but many planets aspecting the mc.

Obama (the most famous man in the world) has no planets in the 10th or 11th but again, many planets aspecting the mc.

Steve Jobs: Jupiter and Uranus at the end of the 10th, almost in the 11th & a few trines to the mc.

posted April 21, 2012 10:22 AM            

>12th house Pluto: I read on an astrologer's blog once how they said many actors use a 12th house Pluto as an asset to take on very heavy, difficult emotions in their acting.

>11th house stellium/Venus in the 11th: I can see how 2nd House Venus is an asset to someone trying to become famous or who already is, but 11th house planets especially Venus will help you out. Since fame is also not just about garnering wealth but attracting good attention and amassing followers, and fulfilling your dreams. Venus in the 11th I've read usually indicates one of your biggest dreams in life could come true.

>Sun in the 10th/11th: This one is pretty obvious. A lot of celebs I've noticed have had either a 10th or 11th house sun. Of course there are exceptions, but it's good to have the sun above the horizon unless they are more into the creative arts I guess, like being predominantly a painter for example - maybe then they'd have a 5th house Sun (and/or Moon!) combined with many planets above the horizon.

>Unaspected planets: This seems to be a biggie too. An unaspected planet in the right place at the right time so to speak, can work wonders for a celeb. I've talked with Ami Anne about this one, and she said more celebs have their Sun unaspected than any other planet. It seems to give the planet an electric energy and a definite emphasis in the chart.

>Prominent Moon: It seems to help to have the Moon in either H5, H9, H10 or H11, and to have it make many harmonious aspects to planets like Neptune, Venus and Jupiter. Many celebs seem to have highly aspected Moons. It also seems that an Aquarius Moon is the most common Moon sign for a famous person, according to a study I read, but this alone isn't enough for fame. I would also see Leo Moon with other positive factors helping out even more.

>Fixed stars & their locations: If you have fixed stars in the natal chart conjunct or very close to sensitive places like the ASC and/or MC, this is a high indicator of fame. It's easy to calculate this on astro.com - just click 'add some fixed stars' to your natal chart.

>Uranus and Neptune: Joyce Jillson also says that these two planets are important in fame, since Uranus gives one a unique energy and Neptune is the fantasy planet of illusions; so wherever these two are, you can increase your uniqueness and capacity for fame, and be able to cast 'illusions' on other. To have Neptune in a more crucial house like H2, H5, H10 or H11 could be good. H10 is especially good. You're bringing something 'special' and mystic to your professional life with Neptune there.

>MC aspects: A lot of celebs seems to have good MC aspects although there are some exceptions. Neptune connecting to the MC, especially conjunct is usually a very good sign. But it helps to have many personal planets positively contacting the MC even if they aren't conjunct. You don't NEED a planet conjunct the MC for fame... maybe just many harmonious contacts to it.

posted April 21, 2012 11:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Pluto conj Asc or in the 1st is one
Also Sun as part of a stellium, especially a generational stellium, such as Sun/Merc/Neptune
Anything that focuses a lot of energy in one area of the chart, this will be what they're known for
Also Jupiter 10th can be helpful
ETA: Eastern hemisphere dominance
NN conj a planet/luminary

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So does having 5 planets in my third house say something about communications? I have 5 in my 3rd (sun, moon, venus, uranus, neptune), 2 in my second (saturn and mercury) and 2 in my first (pluto being one and mars being the other). I have a 4 planet (almost 5, depending on orbs) stellium in the 3rd.

posted August 15, 2013 10:19 PM            

My Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Jupiter are all in the 1st house and are in Gemini. So there's a stellium which I suppose means I am supposed to be a writer (?).

My Venus is in Gemini and in the second house. It bi quintiles my MC - which is Aquarius in the 10th house.

My North Node is in the 10th House. Also Aquarius.

My Sun and Moon both conjunct Jupiter.

I read something about the Sun having inconjunctions which could indicate fame? My sun is inconjunction with Pluto, Neptune, and Saturn. Is that good?

My Mercury conjuncts my Ascendant and both are Taurus. Taurus is the other half of the sign of Venus - which is in my second house. So I guess that would be good?

In my natal chart, my second house is Gemini. I know originally the second house ruler is Taurus - so I guess that's a good thing as well?

I also read something about Capricorn? It must be a generational thing because I know a lot of people - like myself - who have Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune in Capricorn in the 8th house. I know the 8th has a lot of negativity associated with it - being the house of death and all. But in a chart I had done based on my career, it said a lot about being good with finances. Whether that's true or not, I have no idea.

Oh sorry. My Mercury trines my Midheaven. Knew I forgot something.

My Uranus semi sextiles my Midheaven. Which Harrison Ford has, oddly enough.

Both my Moon and Jupiter sesqui quadrate my Midheaven though. I know Julia Roberts has that - the Jupiter aspect at least. I also know that sesqui quadrates are supposedly ruled as "squares," or semi-squares. But let's face it, not everybody's chart is perfect. And at least having a connection is better than nothing at all.

I also have Pallas Athena in the 11th House and it's in Aries.

I also have my Aquarius Midheaven trining my Taurus Ascendant. What does that mean?

My Fortune is in Taurus - although an Arabic calculator would disagree and say it's in Gemini. It's strange though because if it's in Taurus, it says the 12th house - but Taurus is my Ascendant, so wouldn't it be in the first? Or even second if you're going to go by the usual Zodiac wheel?